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Quote TO ALL: The name “YHWH” indeed translates into “kurios” ALWAYS!
–Kangaroo
Isaiah 1:18, and WJ, can one of you please talk to Kangaroo.
Is 1:18 and WJ, do either of you believe that:
“”YHWH”…translates into “Kurios” ALWAYS!” ?
Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2010,17:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2010,17:32) Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2010,16:32) Genesis 1:2, Psalm 104:30, Job 26:13, Job 33:4, Ezekiel 37:9, Luke 1:35…..
Good. Go ahead and start with Gen 1:2.How is the Holy Spirit attributed with creation in that scripture?
Then we can move on to the others.
I wrote “involved” not attributed….honestly…
Okay, so how? By floating over water?mike
Quote (karmarie @ May 30 2010,19:46) All I know is God is the Father, Jesus is the Son, simple as. The Bible supports that. Its all throughout the Scriptures.
Hi Karmarie,Good enough!
Just remember to worship only one of them as God.
peace and love,
mikeHi MB,
True worship is within, in the spirit, by the Spirit, and in truth.
We are the new temple and we offer a sacrifice of praise not in this place or that but whereever we are.[jn4, 1peter 2.5, ],Strong's #3068: Yhovah (pronounced yeh-ho-vaw')
from 1961; (the) self-Existent or Eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God:–Jehovah, the Lord. Compare 3050, 3069.
Read more: http://bibletools.org/index.c….Rnnbkuz
Quote btw, David erroneously claims that later versions of the Septuagint say “kurios” while the original Septuagint did not. Let David produce the original Septuagint. And let both Mike and David explain why the author to the Hebrews quotes Psalm 102:25-27 from the Septuagint in Hebrews 1:10. The original Hebrew says “YHWH” but the Septuagint says “Kurios” and the apostle quoted the Septuagint.
And let's not forget that in Deuteronomy 6:16 they were told not to tempt YHWH as they did in Massah. According to Paul it was Christ they tempted (1 Corinthians 10:1-9).
These facts utterly destroy Mike and David!
So I have given James Strong and the apostle to the Hebrews who quoted the Septuagint.
Kangaroo Jack, I'm wondering if you could quote from Strong, and explain what you mean.
Looking at what you asked me:
let . . . David explain why the author to the Hebrews quotes Psalm 102:25-27 from the Septuagint in Hebrews 1:10. The original Hebrew says “YHWH” but the Septuagint says “Kurios” and the apostle quoted the Septuagint.
HISTORY LESSON:
–The Septuagint was made around a couple hundred years BEFORE CHRIST.
–Complete copies of the Septuagint existing today date from as far back as the fourth century C.E, THAT'S 400 YEARS AFTER CHRIST.
–It's true, such manuscripts and later copies do not contain the divine name, YHWH.
–HOWEVER, some 50 years ago a team near the Dead Sea uncovered fragments from an ancient leather scroll of the 12 prophets (Hosea through Malachi) written in Greek. These writings were dated between 50 B.C.E. and 50 C.E. IN THESE EARLIER FRAGMENTS, THE TRETRAGRAMMOTON HAD NOT BEEN REPLACED BY THE Greek words for “God” and “Lord.”CONCLUSION:
The use of the divine name in the early Septuagint version of the Scriptures was confirmed.The year 1971 saw the release for publication of fragments of an ancient papyrus scroll (Fouad 266 papyri).
What did these portions of the Septuagint, dating back to the second or first century B.C.E., reveal? The divine name was preserved in them also. These early fragments of the Septuagint provide strong evidence that Jesus and his first-century disciples knew and used God’s name.
Basically, Kangaroo, someone could make the same argument today:
My Bible has “Lord” in those places. Yah, it probably does, but your Bible is not the original. Further, your Bible.
But if you dig a litter further, maybe your Bible explains why.Revised Standard Version: A footnote on Exodus 3:15 says: “The word LORD when spelled with capital letters, stands for the divine name, YHWH.”
The preface of the Revised Standard Version explains: “For two reasons the Committee has returned to the more familiar usage of the King James Version: (1) the word ‘Jehovah’ does not accurately represent any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew; and (2) the use of any proper name for the one and only God, as though there were other gods from whom he had to be distinguished, was discontinued in Judaism before the Christian era and is entirely inappropriate for the universal faith of the Christian Church.”So, the Revised Standard version (as an example) follows the TRADITION of the KJ, and substitutes titles, such as God and Lord, in place of the original name.
You can look at any Bible you want, or later versions of the Septuagint and try to use that as some sort of proof that YHWH = Lord, but they are very different words.
David,
Please try not to stress over KJ's nonesense.He is on a rampage over being trashed elsewhere in the forum.
He 'has gone off to make war with the offspring of the woman' (Revelation 12:17)
When he posts some outlandish nonesense, just ignore him.
He is laughing when he posts this stuff watching you get into strife trying to make sense of it, let alone post a credible response.
He even says that God laughs at us in distress! – I don't think so. Kj is thinking of how he would react when he sees his 'creation' doung or speaking wrong, perhaps?
Quote Please try not to stress over KJ's nonesense. He is on a rampage over being trashed elsewhere in the forum. . . . When he posts some outlandish nonesense, just ignore him. –Ja
I know I should, but the more ridiculous a statement is, the more I want to shake the person and show them the truth. And I find myself wanting to shake Kangaroo a whole lot.
Hi Dennison,
You said:
Quote Satan is not a god at all, his only authority is permissable by God. So Paul lied when he called him “the god of this age”? All “mighty ones” only have the authority that God grants them to have. That's why, although there are many “mighty ones”, there is only ONE Almighty One. When Satan offered Jesus the kindoms of the world, how could it have been a temptation if they weren't his to give?
You said:
Quote So when i that the Son always existed within “TIME” thats what i mean. As in he existed before becoming flesh. I don't know about the “time” thing, but I agree he existed before being flesh.
You said:
Quote Can any of us without the name of Jesus, tell a demon to go? I don't know. Would the demon go in the name of Jehovah? But you didn't answer the question: Where does scripture say it was Jesus' own authority?
You said:
Quote its not that he doesnt believe im the best, he just wants to egg me on. -Speculation. Agreed.
You said:
Quote Wow finally someone figured out what i think.
oh no…. contrary to what most think everything cannot be God. In other words, God is the God of the mountian, but he is not the mountain. He is our God, but we are not God.Agreed.
You said:
Quote He is not like the gods of the eygptians But the gods of the Egyptians were able to match some of the miracles that God performed through Moses. Men could not have done what they did. So, just because we know that Jehovah is the only true God – in that He is the only Almighty Maker of heaven and earth – it doesn't mean that Satan and the “other gods” are false. They still have power. It just means that Jehovah is the Almighty, and therefore the one we should worship and serve as God.
You said:
Quote the problem. they were both raised to believe what they believe, and take no conclusions based on Gods thoughts. Good point. Because of this, we should go with the majority of what scripture plainly teaches, not take a few verses here and there and fit them into our manmade doctrine.
You said:
Quote well animals, trees, and other such thigns cannot sin, neither can the stars, and the sun and other such things. And you know this how? God is talked of “punishing” the land of the Israelites for the sins that took place on it. How do we know what relationship animals have with God? They might be able to talk to Him like we do.
I'm sure God is much more than Dr. Doolittle, and he talked to animals. You said:
Quote in other words, man is the only one who ever had the option to say no, in all of creation. How about the angels? We know a third of them told God “No”.
Good chat.
peace and love,
mikeQuote He is laughing when he posts this stuff watching you get into strife trying to make sense of it –JA
Every so often, I consider the possibility that Kangaroo J is just messing with everyone saying as insane a thought as he can make up, for fun. But, I'm certain he is not. He actually believes what he says.
Is wrote:[/quote]
Hi Paul,You said:
Quote This is a function of His deity. His conformity to the mosaic law is a function of His humanity. A paradox? Yes. But that does not invalidate it. Yeshua is a paradox to us in many ways. If He isn't a paradox to you then you haven't studied enough christology or you're not being honest with the scriptures. What?
Did you ever think you are the one who has looked into it so far that you can't see the forest for the trees?You said:
Quote Yeshua, the second person of the trinity has a God, His Father, and is Himself Almighty God. It's not illogical UNLESS you presuppose unipersonality. Why wouldn't mankind presuppose unipersonality? Are any of us who are created in God's image three persons in one manhead?
You said:
Quote To be honest Mike it's a moot point you make because “Almighty God” in not the only title of deity in the Bible. It's just one of many and more than enough of them are ascribed to Yeshua to convince someone of His identity, unless of course their heart is hardened against that truth…. The word “Almighty” means the “mightiest of the mighty”. So if Jesus isn't the Almighty God like the Father is, then he is a different god, like the scriptures teach. He can't be a person in the being of the Almighty God without having that title himself. Does he have that title?
You said:
Quote Did Paul write that the Father is his only God to the exclusion of Yeshua? Where? 
Doesn't the word “only” imply “to the exclusion” of all others?You said:
Quote As for me, I'm with Thomas. Why? Does Thomas call Jesus my Almighty God? You stick with Thomas. I'll stick with Jesus. He says the Father is the only God.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2010,20:02) You take the whole counsel of God into account, examine all the data, reach a balanced conclusion. This is a mature approach to biblical exegesis Mike. You'll learn. Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2010,07:53) Hi MB,
True worship is within, in the spirit, by the Spirit, and in truth.
We are the new temple and we offer a sacrifice of praise not in this place or that but whereever we are.[jn4, 1peter 2.5, ],
Okay.Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 31 2010,08:41) Why wouldn't mankind presuppose unipersonality? Why wouldn't mankind presuppose unipersonality? Are any of us who are created in God's image three persons in one manhead?
Image in this context refers to the immaterial part of man. Part of what it means is that we were made communal, social. This reflects what YHWH is like. He had fellowship before the creation of Heaven and Earth (John 1:1b).Quote The word “Almighty” means the “mightiest of the mighty”. So if Jesus isn't the Almighty God like the Father is, then he is a different god, like the scriptures teach. He can't be a person in the being of the Almighty God without having that title himself. Does he have that title?
Yes. Mike there's only one true God. The Almighty. Yeshua is not a false god therefore…..let logic take it's course.Unless you're a polytheist, of course.
Quote Doesn't the word “only” imply “to the exclusion” of all others?
Which verse are you citing?Quote Why? Does Thomas call Jesus my Almighty God? You stick with Thomas. I'll stick with Jesus. He says the Father is the only God.
Given that Thomas was a strict monotheist what other God could he be confessing Yeshua as??Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 31 2010,07:44) Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2010,17:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2010,17:32) Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2010,16:32) Genesis 1:2, Psalm 104:30, Job 26:13, Job 33:4, Ezekiel 37:9, Luke 1:35…..
Good. Go ahead and start with Gen 1:2.How is the Holy Spirit attributed with creation in that scripture?
Then we can move on to the others.
I wrote “involved” not attributed….honestly…
Okay, so how? By floating over water?mike
Do you deny the Holy Spirit was involved in creation in any capacity?Quote (JustAskin @ May 30 2010,23:22) This is so funny:
“If you don't believe Jesus is a paradox then you haven't studied enough Christology”If you don't believe a lie then you obviously haven't learnt properly…
Also, can I Just Ask someone, a Trinitarian preferably:
Does Jesus have a God? Who is that God?Does the Holy Spirit have a God? Who is that God?
Does the Father have a God? Who is that God?
These are not 'Trick' questions so please, no 'guarded' answers, i just wanna know how you Godshipness works. Surely you can't deny me your belief, else why defend it if you can't share it?
Justaskin,
If you'd like me to comply with your cowardly request not to dialogue with you, kindly do not comment on my posts in a way that elicits a response for me!Pull your head in.
BTW; “Yeshua is a paradox” is hardly an outrageous statement. Google the words and you'll get about 1.4 million results….
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2010,15:02) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ May 28 2010,04:13) Answer: Because Mike and David are polytheists. They claim that they are not polytheists because they do not “worship” lesser gods. But the commandment also said that the people may not “serve” them.
Hi Roo,If I worked at McDonald's and had to serve customers, would I be in violation of God's law?
Don't you think He meant we should serve no other AS God?
You guys are the polytheists. You have three gods, but confusingly try to fit those three into a montheistic belief system. Many of us on HN have only the one God that Paul talked about – the Father.
Is the Father your only God, Roo? WJ? Paul?
peace and love,
mike
Nice post mike.
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