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WorshippingJesus said to Mike:
Quote You say it is my million word post, but my post is in answer to all your points!
Keith,I recall Mike whining many times that you don't answer his points. And when you answer his points he whines that you ware too wordy.
Ask him if he wants a little cheese with his whine.
Jack
Quote (Ed J @ June 01 2010,11:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 02 2010,02:37) Quote (Ed J @ June 01 2010,08:57)
You have NO advantage, unless you present “Bible Truth”; your opinions DON'T MATTER!
Ed1) Opinions do matter, because when you get right down to it is every ones opinion of what scriptures say including yours!
2) So to present “Bible Truth” in a wrong way or to misrepresent someones post is wrong isn't it?
3) You are a little pissed that Kathi and others have called you out on your tactics aren't you? You need to let it go man, it seems in your post that you are a little bitter! Come on ED, grow up and accept correction!
4) Yea I can see how you say what you say being that you play the same diversionary games as Mike! Same spirit IMO.
5) Truth is not known by hiding facts in the case is it ED? No, just a sleezy lawyer who seeks to evade and mislead!
6) But the best way to deal with people like you is to ignore them because you can't stand it when know one gives attention to you! Thats why you pop in every now and then to throw in a few “ad hominems”, isn't it?
7) Do you feel better now my little friend that you have spoken your peace and have been given some attention?
WJ
Hi WJ,1) Even Atheists? (Prob.26:4)
2) Who made you the Judge? (Matt.7:1)
3) I eliminated anger LONG AGO! (Col.3:8)
4) Cloudy accusations? (Isaiah 54:17)
5) More cloudy accusations? (Rev.12:10)
6) Feel froggy, jump! (Rev.16:13)
7) I “feel great” no matter what you do! (Psalm 118:8 / Prob.3:26)
Ed J
8. PS> What you say might carry more weight with others if what you said lined up with scriptures!
Because 'your' opinions in and of themselves (as Posted here) mean NOTHING!
1. Yea, unless you would take away their rights to speak!2. Funny, I should ask you the same thing!
3. Really, could have fooled me!
4. Mirror!
5. Mirrors!
6. Inferiority complex!
7. Could have fooled me!
8. But you just said…
Who made you the Judge? (Matt.7:1).
Hypocritical!
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2010,05:48) Hi WJ,
Are you dogmas just your personal opinions?
You need the Spirit.
Nick,Will you ever come up with something thoughtful instead of canned replies?
KJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2010,05:54) Hi KJ,
As soon as novices like you master the basics of Who are God and His Son we can move on.
Nick,Your canned replies are older than the hills and you give them to everyone here no matter what they believe.
KJ
Quote (JustAskin @ June 02 2010,04:13) SF, It is as you say.
Moderation unter the Riddler,Should i now expect responses of
“Riddle me this”?Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2010,06:26) Hi KJ,
Yes it is odd that you continue to ignore the elephant in the room.
Jesus is the son of God.
He is the Son of Man too. Do you deny His humanity? Show that your antithesis between Son of God and God is correct. Bare assertion without demonstration is not enough. We are not obliged to believe because Nick says so.KJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2010,16:53) Quote (Elizabeth @ April 30 2010,22:34) If I were you, Pastor I would reconsider my stand on the trinity and take heed….
IreneAre you asking me not to believe Jesus own inspired words that Matthew recorded, i.e. Matthew 28:19?
I would rather believe God than man.
WJ
You know I find it rather amazing that you only have one Scripture that you say proves the trinity, yet I said this before that the Holy Spirit is not the Father of Jesus. Now if that what you want to believe be my guest, however if I were you I would not teach it to anybody….to stand on one leg gets to be very tiresome…… Even Jesus wants you to know that His Father is greater then He is… and you are calling Him A liar?
? I would be very careful not to do so….don't you see that there is something not quit right here? Just giving us one Scripture….. that does not work for me…IreneQuote (Is 1:18 @ May 31 2010,11:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 31 2010,06:57) No, Keith. A mediator cannot mediate between one party. A mediator is someone who mediates BETWEEN two parties, and therefore CANNOT be one of the two parties.
If you're going to consistently apply your logic then Yeshua could not mediate on behalf of man either, because He is a man….
Actually Yeshua is perfectly equipped to mediate between the two parties as he is both God and man…..
Hi Paul,Jesus is not ALL OF MANKIND, is he? Nor is he God. Therefore he can mediate between the two parties.
All human mediators are “man”. Yet they are not one of the parties being mediated between. They cannot be, or they are given a title such as “spokesman”, not mediator. Do you understand this?
peace and love,
mikeQuote (WorshippingJesus @ May 31 2010,15:44) Mike You say it is my million word post, but my post is in answer to all your points!
I know, Keith. We both try to be very thorough, quoting scriptures and clearly explaining our views. And I know I usually make a post with a lot of little questions, and you do well to answer every single one of them. It's my fault, not yours.I will limit my questions so maybe we can finally bury at least one point out of the hundreds we discuss.
It wasn't a slam against you, more like a admittal of my lack of concentration and stamina.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (WorshippingJesus @ May 31 2010,16:15) Yet we see men in the Bible dying for Jesus and SERVING him with absolute unreserved devotion. Jesus is given the highest possible honour and devotion even to the death, and if he is not God then Christianity is committing adultery for exalting him this way!
As Paul has rightly brought out, there is no scripture by any Apostles anywhere that warns believers to be carefull how much honour and devotion we give Jesus!
In fact the same word for worship to Jesus is the word Jesus used for the worship of the Father and nowhere are the believers told never to worship him yet we see men in the Bible doing just that!
Yes Keith, but people died for King David, served him with absolute unreserved devotion, and also did obeisance to him. Yet you don't think he is God, do you?Only the ones who don't follow Jesus' teachings exalt him as God. He never taught that we should, did he?
There is also no scripture that tells us to worship Jesus as God.
And it is the same word for worship where the formally blind man “worshipped” Jesus in front of the Pharisees. Do you think they would have stood by and said nothing if it was an act of heresy? Not to mention you know that the word can mean worship as in God, and to honor revelantly as in man.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (WorshippingJesus @ June 02 2010,02:37) Yea I can see how you say what you say being that you play the same diversionary games as Mike! Same spirit IMO.
Come on Keith,When have I run from you? How many times do I say that I will discuss EVERY scripture in the Bible with you – just not all at once?
If I missed something you feel is important to your case, throw it in my face again. Just please not a thousand words at a time.
You'll see I've just done that very same thing in Jack's “prototokos” thread. I'll anxiously await your response.
peace and love,
mikeHi Dennison,
The organization helps tons, man. Thanks.
You said:
Quote you make Jesus sound like a God in training. How so?
You said:
Quote lol did david really ever take the Wheel? Well, he did rule over God's people for Him, didn't he? But like Jesus, he had help and Spirit from his Creator.
You said:
Quote God wants to be the very center of our lives. lets analyze God for a second. how did he react to the jews who wanted a King. didnt God tell the Judge that they didnt reject the Judge but were rejecting God himself for asking for a king? God felt rejected. Agreed. He also wants us to love Him with our whole heart, mind, soul and strength.
You said:
Quote But thats my point!! hey dont steal my point.
Im saying he doesnt, beacuse you make it seem Jesus does!What does that mean? Do you think God shares His glory with Jesus or not?
You said:
Quote If he doesnt share glory, whats up with Jesus having to rule everything, even our hearts. Jesus is who God chose as King. Much like He chose David. But David wasn't God, was he?
You said:
Quote and Solomon,…. well his glory wasnt all of that. It was based on God, We should do all things to the glory of the Father. All of us – including Jesus.
You said:
Quote Revelatinos 2:17– i thought this was referring to Us. ill go back and check again later. It is. My point is that Jesus gives them the name, then says no one knows it but the one he gives it to. Isn't it implied that Jesus will also know the name he just gave them?
You said:
Quote Winepress: isnt that the cup that Jesus drank from that he didnt want? the Wrath of God? if you agree, than i will extend after you next reply. Jesus didn't drink from God's wrath. He asked God to take the cup from him. That means: He asked God to make it so he didn't have to go through with the torture and dying. He said “anything is possible for you”, implying God could fulfill His purpose another way if He chose to. But Jesus made it very clear that he would do whatever God's will was, not his.
You said:
Quote why does scripture say that Jesus is the same yesturday, today and tomorow? IMO, it means Jesus will no longer change, he is immortal now. Unlike Jehovah, who NEVER EVER has changed.
You said:
Quote than in revelations states that he says he is the Alpha and the Omega? Which verse?
You said:
Quote We know that Angels are like crazy molded beings. We know there are not two alike. they are not even a race, they are individual creatures each with its tasks. How do we know this? Scriptures, please.
You said:
Quote Question? How do the angels who have mighty powers, and are even mentioned to be the lesser light, can limit there very powers to a humanlike form? How is it that angels came as visitors many times. So what's the question? If God can make a camel pass through the eye of a needle, why can't he send angels as men?
You said:
Quote the ultimate question: If God wanted to, can he limit his state to become physically human, yet at the same time still be omnipresent spiritualy. To say that God cannot be physical means he is not omnipresent. Tell me what you think brother,
I'm torn. On one hand, God can do anything He chooses to. Things our limited brains can't even fathom. On the other hand, it says even the heavens can't contain Him. That makes me think He would explode or disintegrate a human body.
But I have to stand by the first statement – God can do ANYTHING. Our eyes cannot see His face, this much we know from scripture. He says we have never seen Him take ANY form, including man. That is His choice. He could choose to let man see Him (although He might have to change our physical makeup for it to happen). He just hasn't. Bottom line is that He clearly said He has taken no form visible to us, so don't worship anything with a form at all. Jesus had a form visible to us, right?Nice chat, Dennison. Do me a favor and pick any two or three points you want to discuss from this post (or from where ever) and we can take it a point or two at a time from now on. I'm getting “posted out”, man.
peace and love to you, brother – I enjoy our talks
mikeQuote (Arnold @ June 01 2010,20:12) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2010,16:53) Quote (Elizabeth @ April 30 2010,22:34) If I were you, Pastor I would reconsider my stand on the trinity and take heed….
IreneAre you asking me not to believe Jesus own inspired words that Matthew recorded, i.e. Matthew 28:19?
I would rather believe God than man.
WJ
You know I find it rather amazing that you only have one Scripture that you say proves the trinity, yet I said this before that the Holy Spirit is not the Father of Jesus.
IreneI have never claimed Matt 28:19 by itself proves the Ecumenical Trinity!
I have said that Jesus speaks of a Trinity!
Should I not believe his words that there are “Three”?
Irene, do the scriptures say Jesus is “God”?
Is he your God?
Can you call Jesus your 'Mighty God” according to the scriptures?
Can you confess Jesus as “Your Lord and God” like Thomas?
Can you say that Jesus is your “Only Lord and Master” like Jude?
Can you say Jesus is your “Great God and Savour” like Paul?
Can you say Jesus is your “God and Savour” like Peter?
If you do and he is not your “Only True God” then you commit Idolatry!
If you can't then you are not giving Jesus the same honour as the Father!
WJ
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