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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2010,13:12) Quote (terraricca @ April 30 2010,20:48) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2010,12:16) Quote (terraricca @ April 30 2010,20:10) WJ you got it all wrong the fact that it is written in the scriptures and is a lie does not make it a truth.
TSo the scripture Matt 28:19 is a lie?
WJ
WJMt 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mt 28:20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”IF YOU WOULD HAVE UNDERSTANDING OF CHRIST SPIRIT YOU WOULD SEE THAT IN THOSE TWO VERSES THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG IN IT.
TYes, I notice you find a lot of wrong in the scriptures!
Sorry what you say is untrue!
WJ
WJwell it take the truth to watch over the deceivers trinitarians
if the trinity is true then the Jews were kept ignorant of there God.
and have worshiped the wrong God,
if the Jews worshiped the true God then there is no trinity.
and the apostles are all truthful,
and Mat;28;19 is a addition from the deceivers trinitarians
Quote (Elizabeth @ May 01 2010,14:34) If I were you, Pastor I would reconsider my stand on the trinity and take heed….
Hi Irene,I agree and would like to add James 3:1,
3 Not many of YOU should become teachers, my brothers, knowing that we shall receive heavier judgment.
And Luke 11:52,
52″Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”
And Matthew 23:13,
13 “Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men; for YOU yourselves do not go in, neither do YOU permit those on their way in to go in.
WJ, read the info that Chosenone posted. Does it not make perfect sense? Please stop teaching this false docrtrine to children of God.
peace and love,
mikeEd J.
Quote Hi Jerry, What was the purpose in 'you' Posting all this propaganda?
So posting facts supported by scripture is “propaganda” to you?
WJ,
Did you learn nothing from our debate?You are still digging at this one verse for your support?
Scripture is 'Fractal'.
If it is written in one place it will be written in another.
Please show us that other, in your support.
Also, from our debate, since you cannot accept your catastrophic defeat, did you not agree in 'JA vs WJ', that 'In the Name of' means 'in, or with, the power and authority of'
How do you, when you bring your firstborn verse into the world, outside our debate, ignore it's birthpangs?
You bring an aborted child into the world and cry 'See, my child yet lives' while animating it's body.
WJ, how, when, ya gonna learn to admit defeat?
Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,21:43) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2010,12:13) Hi Marty Trinitarians do not believe the Holy Spirit is a seperate being.
But there was a whole lot of wasted words if the Holy Spirit is the Father. Jesus said the Father and himself would send the Holy Spirit. Did Jesus send the Father or did the Father send himself?
WJ
Hi WJ,Did you send this Post or did someone else have to Post it for you?
Can you not send yourself and someone with you to “Disney World”? (Luke 1:37)God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDDoesn't work.
The Holy Spirit is subservient to Jesus. John 16:12-15
I mentioned verse 12 because apparantly many cannot bear the things that Jesus said and what was revealed later.
But your logic does not solve the problem presented to you in Matthew 28:19.
One singular name for three indentities or persons all written by Matthew under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit with the definite article.
WJ
Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,21:49) Hi Jerry, What was the purpose in 'you' Posting all this propaganda?
Agreed. The purpose is to cloudy the water or cast a shadow on the truth.WJ
Quote (Elizabeth @ April 30 2010,22:34) W.J. The first Christians did not believe in the trinity.
IreneJesus and Matthew and the Apostles did.
Matthew 28:19 reveals a Trinity, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, right?
Or are you gonna blot that one out of your Bible also Irene?
WJ
Quote (terraricca @ April 30 2010,23:11) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2010,13:12) Quote (terraricca @ April 30 2010,20:48) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2010,12:16) Quote (terraricca @ April 30 2010,20:10) WJ you got it all wrong the fact that it is written in the scriptures and is a lie does not make it a truth.
TSo the scripture Matt 28:19 is a lie?
WJ
WJMt 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mt 28:20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”IF YOU WOULD HAVE UNDERSTANDING OF CHRIST SPIRIT YOU WOULD SEE THAT IN THOSE TWO VERSES THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG IN IT.
TYes, I notice you find a lot of wrong in the scriptures!
Sorry what you say is untrue!
WJ
WJwell it take the truth to watch over the deceivers trinitarians
if the trinity is true then the Jews were kept ignorant of there God.
and have worshiped the wrong God,
if the Jews worshiped the true God then there is no trinity.
and the apostles are all truthful,
and Mat;28;19 is a addition from the deceivers trinitarians
THow do you know that the scriptures you like are not additions?
You take away any credibility that the scriptures has and your right to claim that any of it is true!
WJ
Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,23:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2010,12:20) Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,18:33) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2010,10:07) Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,17:50) Hi WJ, What's the “HolySpirit's” Name? (Matt.28:19)
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDMatt 28:19 contradicts your theology Ed for you believe the Holy Spirit is the Father.
WJ
Hi WJ,How so?
EDRead it again. Already answered.
WJ
Hi WJ,I must of missed where you Posted it; could you be a little more specific as to where it is?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDQuote (WorshippingJesus @ April 30 2010,18:07) Matt 28:19 contradicts your theology Ed for you believe the Holy Spirit is the Father. Jesus speaks of the name in the singular for the three and all three being arthrous!
Page 2.Or all three having the definite article in case you didn't know what 'Arthrous' means.
WJ
Quote (Elizabeth @ April 30 2010,22:34) If I were you, Pastor I would reconsider my stand on the trinity and take heed….
IreneAre you asking me not to believe Jesus own inspired words that Matthew recorded, i.e. Matthew 28:19?
I would rather believe God than man.
WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2010,23:56) Quote (Elizabeth @ May 01 2010,14:34) If I were you, Pastor I would reconsider my stand on the trinity and take heed….
Hi Irene,I agree and would like to add James 3:1,
3 Not many of YOU should become teachers, my brothers, knowing that we shall receive heavier judgment.
And Luke 11:52,
52″Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”
And Matthew 23:13,
13 “Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men; for YOU yourselves do not go in, neither do YOU permit those on their way in to go in.
WJ, read the info that Chosenone posted. Does it not make perfect sense? Please stop teaching this false docrtrine to children of God.
peace and love,
mike
Hi all!Why all the accusations and condemnation?
Why are you not addressing the fact that Matthew 28:19 speaks of a “Trinity”?
Hello?
WJ
Quote (chosenone @ May 01 2010,00:18) Ed J. Quote Hi Jerry, What was the purpose in 'you' Posting all this propaganda?
So posting facts supported by scripture is “propaganda” to you?
COIt is when it is not related.
I didn't see Matthew 28:19 even mentioned in your post.
WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2010,23:56) WJ, read the info that Chosenone posted. Does it not make perfect sense? Please stop teaching this false docrtrine to children of God.
MikeMike, why should I listen to anyone telling me not to believe the scriptures or Jesus own words? They are the ones teaching false doctrines!
I believe them all unlike ATs who pick and choose what fits their doctrine.
Should I not believe my Masters own words?
I would rather listen to him than you Mike, sorry!
WJ
Quote (chosenone @ May 01 2010,16:18) Ed J. Quote Hi Jerry, What was the purpose in 'you' Posting all this propaganda?
So posting facts supported by scripture is “propaganda” to you?
You call 'opinions' Facts? Facts can be proven!Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2010,17:48) Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,23:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2010,12:20) Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,18:33) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2010,10:07) Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,17:50) Hi WJ, What's the “HolySpirit's” Name? (Matt.28:19)
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDMatt 28:19 contradicts your theology Ed for you believe the Holy Spirit is the Father.
WJ
Hi WJ,How so?
EDRead it again. Already answered.
WJ
Hi WJ,I must of missed where you Posted it; could you be a little more specific as to where it is?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDQuote (WorshippingJesus @ April 30 2010,18:07) Matt 28:19 contradicts your theology Ed for you believe the Holy Spirit is the Father. Jesus speaks of the name in the singular for the three and all three being arthrous!
Page 2.Or all three having the definite article in case you didn't know what 'Arthrous' means.
WJ
Hi WJ,What is The “HolySpirit's” Name then?
To all,
See WJ's post Page 3, 17:31hrs:Why does a trinitarian make a claim that one of their 'co-equal' gods is 'subservient' to another?
If trinitarians cannot hold to trinitarian doctrine, who will be our oppossers?
As the saying goes: 'better the devil you know!'
Come close and hear this:
The Holy Spirit is a person, according to trinity.
It is a person of spirit who is a co-equal god in a co-equal godhead consisting of three:
God, the Father, who is God;
The Son, Jesus Christ, who is Lord;
The Holy Spirit, who is the Spirit of God (which God?, the Father, or the Godhead, which is God;
the Son, who is also God?
Itself, because it is also God?)Seems like a tortuous doctrine:
How better to put it:
“There is One God, who is the Father”
“There is One Lord, who is Jesus Christ, subordinate to the Father”
“There is One Spirit, who is the Holy, the only Righteous Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit of God, The Fathers Holy Spirit”“And these three agree as ONE, in purpose”
“And anyone, of man, who also agrees with these three, who these three are agreeable with, will also become ONE with these three. They will all be ONE, in purpose, to the glory of God, the Father, who is God , above All”Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2010,17:39) Irene Jesus and Matthew and the Apostles did.
Matthew 28:19 reveals a Trinity, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, right?
Hi WJ,Jesus said there is only one true God – the Father. Every single writer of the NT knew that Jesus was the Son of God, not God himself. Jesus never implied he was God, or was eventually going to be God.
What do you think 28:19 says? Three are mentioned together, so that makes them “persons in a godhead”?
From my friends, the Jehovah's Witnesses:
This type of reference, admits McClintock and Strong’s Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, “proves only that there are the three subjects named, . . . but it does not prove, by itself, that all the three belong necessarily to the divine nature, and possess equal divine honor.”
Although a supporter of the Trinity, that source says of 2 Corinthians 13:13 (14): “We could not justly infer that they possessed equal authority, or the same nature.” And of Matthew 28:18-20 it says: “This text, however, taken by itself, would not prove decisively either the personality of the three subjects mentioned, or their equality or divinity.”
When Jesus was baptized, God, Jesus, and the holy spirit were also mentioned in the same context. Jesus “saw descending like a dove God’s spirit coming upon him.” (Matthew 3:16) This, however, does not say that the three are one. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are mentioned together numerous times, but that does not make them one. Peter, James, and John are named together, but that does not make them one either. Furthermore, God’s spirit descended upon Jesus at his baptism, showing that Jesus was not anointed by spirit until that time. This being so, how could he be part of a Trinity where he had always been one with the holy spirit?
Though you hate them, is this reasoning wrong? How so?
peace and love,
mike
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