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I said:
Quote I know it can be confusing to call our Thursday night as Friday night but that is how the Jews thought. You said:
Quote No the Jews don't teach that, The Sabbath fo instance starts Friday evening(sunset) and ends Saturday evening(sunset) You just agreed with what I said through your explanation. The Sabbath day is the seventh day, right? The seventh day begins at sunset during what we recognize as Friday which ends at midnight. The seventh day ends before what we call our sixth day is over. The Jewish reckoning for when the day begins is several hours earlier than our midnight beginning. Their new day begins at sunset. So the Jewish Saturday (seventh day) evening begins at sunset when we are thinking it is Friday evening.
Do you see this now? If not I will hunt down something that describes it better.
Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2013,05:06) I said: Quote I know it can be confusing to call our Thursday night as Friday night but that is how the Jews thought. You said:
Quote No the Jews don't teach that, The Sabbath fo instance starts Friday evening(sunset) and ends Saturday evening(sunset) You just agreed with what I said through your explanation. The Sabbath day is the seventh day, right? The seventh day begins at sunset during what we recognize as Friday which ends at midnight. The seventh day ends before what we call our sixth day is over. The Jewish reckoning for when the day begins is several hours earlier than our midnight beginning. Their new day begins at sunset. So the Jewish Saturday (seventh day) evening begins at sunset when we are thinking it is Friday evening.
Do you see this now? If not I will hunt down something that describes it better.
All you are trying to say is the seventh day starts friday sunset and ends saturday sunset.The point is Jesus could not have risen on that day an also after that day it has to be one or the other.
There was no one in the tomb EARLY SUNDAY MORNING it was still dark (Not even dawn)
You can not rise on the third day and still not rise on the third day
Leviticus 7:18
King James Version (KJV)
18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity.
Bo,
you said:Quote You can not rise on the third day and still not rise on the third day You can if you understand it this way:
He rose ON the third day by rising during the third 24 hour period since He died.
He rose AFTER three days (daylight) and three nights (darkness).Also, what does Leviticus 7:18 have to do with Jesus rising on the third day? Isn't that about literally eating animals?
Quote (Lightenup @ July 03 2013,06:30) Bo,
you said:Quote You can not rise on the third day and still not rise on the third day You can if you understand it this way:
He rose ON the third day by rising during the third 24 hour period since He died.
He rose AFTER three days (daylight) and three nights (darkness).Also, what does Leviticus 7:18 have to do with Jesus rising on the third day? Isn't that about literally eating animals?
I told you know matter what I show you, you will not be admit what you are seeing clearlyJohn 20:1
Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.
Now according to your own definition will you finally concede to what I hae pointed out? PLEASE, for the love of God?
Bo,
I don't understand the problem!!
Thursday day-day one
Friday day-day two
Saturday day-day three
Rose before daylight on day four (before dawn on Sunday)
=three daysThursday night-night one
Friday night-night two
Saturday night-night three
=three nightsHe rose just before dawn probably on Sunday.
It was on the third day (during the third 24 hour period after His death) that He rose from what I can tell.
Once again:
3pm Thursday-3pm Friday (first 24 hour period/one day)
3pm Friday-3pm Saturday (second 24 hour period/second day)
3 pm Saturday to just before dawn Sunday (third 24 hour period/third day)=On the third day He rose.
Why are you having such a struggle with this?
Quote (Lightenup @ July 03 2013,13:32) Quote Bo,
I don't understand the problem!!
Thursday day-day one
Friday day-day two
Saturday day-day three
Rose before daylight on day four (before dawn on Sunday)
=three daysThat's rising on the 4th day
Quote Thursday night-night one
Friday night-night two
Saturday night-night three
=three nightsNow after this you wote
Quote He rose just before dawn probably on Sunday. If he rose before dawn while it was still dark was that still “night”?
Quote It was on the third day (during the third 24 hour period after His death) that He rose from what I can tell. Then he would not have been IN the tomb 3 days AND 3 nights
Quote Once again:
3pm Thursday-3pm Friday (first 24 hour period/one day)
3pm Friday-3pm Saturday (second 24 hour period/second day)
3 pm Saturday to just before dawn Sunday (third 24 hour period/third day)=On the third day He rose.
So no 3rd 24 hour period in the tomb?
Quote Why are you having such a struggle with this? Seriously? You are completely blind to the fat that 3 days and 3 nights are 3 24 hour periods IN THE TOMB yet you keep saying that rising during the last 24 hour period is the same as rising after th 24 hour period
Bo,
Three days and three nights can include a part of a day or a part of a night to mean one day or one night.Quote (Lightenup @ July 03 2013,15:32) Bo,
Three days and three nights can include a part of a day or a part of a night to mean one day or one night.
No it cannot. Please stop trying to escape reason it is not godly.Can I both be with my wife and another woman and not commit adultery?
3 Days and 3 nights are not 3 days and a portion of the night that doesn't count. PLease stop and look
Quote (Lightenup @ July 03 2013,15:32) Bo,
Three days and three nights can include a part of a day or a part of a night to mean one day or one night.
Even if that were correct if you are to be in the tomb 3days and 3 nights you still could not rise on the 3rd day and be in the tomb the third day but even if you could do that Jesus rose while it was still dark s thatwas either before th third day or after the third day.Mark 15
40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome; 41 (who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him;) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, 43 Joseph of Arimathæa, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus. 44 And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead. 45 And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph. 46 And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre. 47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.
Mark 16
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
16 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
In the Bible, the season of light (Gen. i. 5), lasting “from dawn [lit. “the rising of the morning”] to the coming forth of the stars” (Neh. iv. 15, 17). The term “day” is used also to denote a period of twenty-four hours (Ex. xxi. 21). In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven days of mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day. Again, a man who hears of a vow made by his wife or his daughter, and desires to cancel the vow, must do so on the same day on which he hears of it, as otherwise the protest has no effect; even if the hearing takes place a little time before night, the annulment must be done within that little time. The day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day—except in reference to sacrifices, where daytime and the night following constitute one day (Lev. vii. 15; see Calendar). “The day” denotes: (a) Day of the Lord; (b) the Day of Atonement; Â the treatise of the Mishnah that contains the laws concerning the Day of Atonement (See Yoma and Sabbath).
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5007-day
Everything works out when you consider that a day is counted when there is only a part of it, also a part of a night and also a day can refer to a part of, or all of a 24 hour period.
Why do you set out to make the Bible appear wrong and when I show you how it can be understood, you call me ungodly? You are the one that disagrees with the Bible.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 04 2013,00:15) Mark 15
40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome; 41 (who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him;) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, 43 Joseph of Arimathæa, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus. 44 And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead. 45 And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph. 46 And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre. 47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.
Mark 16
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
16 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Bo,
What are you trying to imply here? There were two sabbaths recognized during the week that Jesus died. One was for the First Day of Unleavened Bread and the other was the weekly sabbath.Also in the phrase “when even was come” can refer to an afternoon period.
Quote (Lightenup @ July 05 2013,15:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 04 2013,00:15) Mark 15
40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome; 41 (who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him;) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, 43 Joseph of Arimathæa, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus. 44 And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead. 45 And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph. 46 And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre. 47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.
Mark 16
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
16 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Bo,
What are you trying to imply here? There were two sabbaths recognized during the week that Jesus died. One was for the First Day of Unleavened Bread and the other was the weekly sabbath.Also in the phrase “when even was come” can refer to an afternoon period.
Quote except in reference to sacrifices, where daytime and the night following constitute one day (Lev. vii. 15; see Calendar). You said Christ Jesus was sacrificed so no partial days apply here according to your source.
The scriptures I shared with you have Jesus being Crucfied and placed in the tomb with his followers watching then coming back a day late to find him missing.So he could not have been in th tomb mor than a day or a day and a haf at most.
Mark 15
47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.
Mark 16
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
16 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought
Only 24 hours had past here
Bo,
Quote
You said Christ Jesus was sacrificed so no partial days apply here according to your source.The principal is still there.
Regarding there being a second Sabbath day besides the Seventh Day Sabbath read this:
Quote Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. (John 19:31) What is the “high-day Sabbath” mentioned in this verse? Is it the same as a weekly Sabbath? The answer is no. A high day is technically an annual holy day, or annual Sabbath, as commanded in Leviticus 23. Certainly, the weekly Sabbath is a day to keep holy, but these annual holy days take precedence if they occur on the seventh-day Sabbath.
The annual Sabbaths are seven: the first and seventh days of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah in Hebrew), Atonement (Yom Kippur), the first day of Tabernacles (Succoth), and the Last Great Day. The first three occur in the spring, and the last four in the fall. Thus, the high day of which John was speaking was one of the three spring holy days, and since Jesus crucifixion took place on the day of Passover (Nisan 14 on the Hebrew calendar), the high day of which he speaks must be the first day of Unleavened Bread, which falls the day after the Passover (Nisan 15).
Bo, I just noticed this in addition to what I posted from the Jewish Encyclopedia. It does talk about counting daytime and the darkness (evening) that immediately follows as the same day. Read that here:
Quote In the Bible, the season of light (Gen. i. 5), lasting “from dawn [lit. “the rising of the morning”] to the coming forth of the stars” (Neh. iv. 15, 17). The term “day” is used also to denote a period of twenty-four hours (Ex. xxi. 21). In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven days of mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day. Again, a man who hears of a vow made by his wife or his daughter, and desires to cancel the vow, must do so on the same day on which he hears of it, as otherwise the protest has no effect; even if the hearing takes place a little time before night, the annulment must be done within that little time. The day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day—except in reference to sacrifices, where daytime and the night following constitute one day (Lev. vii. 15; see Calendar). “The day” denotes: (a) Day of the Lord; (b) the Day of Atonement; Â the treatise of the Mishnah that contains the laws concerning the Day of Atonement (See Yoma and Sabbath). Quote (Lightenup @ July 06 2013,06:35) Bo, I just noticed this in addition to what I posted from the Jewish Encyclopedia. It does talk about counting daytime and the darkness (evening) that immediately follows as the same day. Read that here: Quote In the Bible, the season of light (Gen. i. 5), lasting “from dawn [lit. “the rising of the morning”] to the coming forth of the stars” (Neh. iv. 15, 17). The term “day” is used also to denote a period of twenty-four hours (Ex. xxi. 21). In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven days of mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day. Again, a man who hears of a vow made by his wife or his daughter, and desires to cancel the vow, must do so on the same day on which he hears of it, as otherwise the protest has no effect; even if the hearing takes place a little time before night, the annulment must be done within that little time. The day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day—except in reference to sacrifices, where daytime and the night following constitute one day (Lev. vii. 15; see Calendar). “The day” denotes: (a) Day of the Lord; (b) the Day of Atonement; © the treatise of the Mishnah that contains the laws concerning the Day of Atonement (See Yoma and Sabbath).
Matthew 12:39-41Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 for as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
Matthew 16
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
16 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven. 2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red. 3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times? 4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
Luke 11:28-30
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. 30 For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.
Why was there not a single township (among those We warned), which believed,- so its faith should have profited it,- except the people of jonah? When they believed, We removed from them the penalty of ignominy in the life of the present, and permitted them to enjoy (their life) for a while.
( سورة يونس , Yunus, Chapter #10, Verse #98)
Like I said, Bo, when you consider part of daytime as one day or a day to be part of or all of a 24 hour period, it all works out. The Bible does not contradict itself.
Quote (Lightenup @ July 08 2013,15:02) Like I said, Bo, when you consider part of daytime as one day or a day to be part of or all of a 24 hour period, it all works out. The Bible does not contradict itself.
You said the bible does not contradict itself, just to prove this point tell me which is true:Who is the father of Joseph?
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
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