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Hi Ted,
Please don't take this personally but this particular thread is a one on one conversation between Bo and myself. Your post will be deleted most likely because of that and to not cause confusion. Maybe you can copy and paste your questions in another topic that is open to all in this regards. Bo is involved in quite a few threads.Thanks for understanding!
God bless,
KathiQuote (Lightenup @ Feb. 15 2013,08:02) Hi Ted,
Please don't take this personally but this particular thread is a one on one conversation between Bo and myself. Your post will be deleted most likely because of that and to not cause confusion. Maybe you can copy and paste your questions in another topic that is open to all in this regards. Bo is involved in quite a few threads.Thanks for understanding!
God bless,
Kathi
Sorry about that Kathi… If Bo read the post he can answer in another thread Iam sure..Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 12 2013,14:17) 
I guess this conversation has ended because if you are not rejecting Islam or Muhammad there is no disagreementQuote (theodorej @ Feb. 15 2013,23:39) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 15 2013,08:02) Hi Ted,
Please don't take this personally but this particular thread is a one on one conversation between Bo and myself. Your post will be deleted most likely because of that and to not cause confusion. Maybe you can copy and paste your questions in another topic that is open to all in this regards. Bo is involved in quite a few threads.Thanks for understanding!
God bless,
Kathi
Sorry about that Kathi… If Bo read the post he can answer in another thread Iam sure..
I don't know of any other post so you will probably have to start a new thread based pon your questionsQuote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 11 2013,21:03) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 11 2013,13:43) How do I persecute Muhammad, Bo? How have I rejected the prophet Muhammad? What have I said or done?
You are correct I have never read that you persecuted or rejected Muhammad it was my assumption so please accept my apology and may God forgive me for bearing false witness regarding that. Once again, my sincerest apology
Hi Bo,Nice to see you!
Just because I have never talked about Muhammad doesn't mean that I agree with him. I really don't know a lot about the guy or the Islam religion. I only need to know a few things to know that I don't agree with it. The false belief that Jesus didn't really die and that He was just a prophet and not God.
Bo, I saw where you wrote that truth never defies logic. I believe you are mistaken here.
example: Jesus is the root of Jesse and the offspring of David. He is the Root AND the Shoot!
Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 19 2013,13:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 11 2013,21:03) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 11 2013,13:43) How do I persecute Muhammad, Bo? How have I rejected the prophet Muhammad? What have I said or done?
You are correct I have never read that you persecuted or rejected Muhammad it was my assumption so please accept my apology and may God forgive me for bearing false witness regarding that. Once again, my sincerest apology
Hi Bo,Nice to see you!
Just because I have never talked about Muhammad doesn't mean that I agree with him. I really don't know a lot about the guy or the Islam religion. I only need to know a few things to know that I don't agree with it. The false belief that Jesus didn't really die and that He was just a prophet and not God.
When you say the “false belief” then aren't you calling the Prophet a false prophet? What prophet wrote the gospels? Were any of them prophets?Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 19 2013,14:31) Bo, I saw where you wrote that truth never defies logic. I believe you are mistaken here. example: Jesus is the root of Jesse and the offspring of David. He is the Root AND the Shoot!
How is Jesus the literal offspring of David? Is David “God” too? if not why was Jesus caled son of David?Hi Bo,
I believe the muslim religion is in opposition to Christianity, not a corrected revised addition to it.The authors of the gospels were considered disciples/apostles, not prophets. The church was founded on the prophets and apostles.
Eph 2:13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens,c but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God byd the Spirit.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 20 2013,22:08) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 19 2013,14:31) Bo, I saw where you wrote that truth never defies logic. I believe you are mistaken here. example: Jesus is the root of Jesse and the offspring of David. He is the Root AND the Shoot!
How is Jesus the literal offspring of David? Is David “God” too? if not why was Jesus caled son of David?
He was called the Son of David because He is one of David's descendents through Mary and Joseph, according to the flesh. Jesus was the promised one that was promised to David to sit on his throne as a descendent of David and one that would not undergo decay.2 Samuel 7:16And your house and your kingdom shall be made sure forever before me. Your throne shall be established forever.’” 17In accordance with all these words, and in accordance with all this vision, Nathan spoke to David.
Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 21 2013,15:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 20 2013,22:08) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 19 2013,14:31) Bo, I saw where you wrote that truth never defies logic. I believe you are mistaken here. example: Jesus is the root of Jesse and the offspring of David. He is the Root AND the Shoot!
How is Jesus the literal offspring of David? Is David “God” too? if not why was Jesus caled son of David?
He was called the Son of David because He is one of David's descendents through Mary and Joseph, according to the flesh. Jesus was the promised one that was promised to David to sit on his throne as a descendent of David and one that would not undergo decay.2 Samuel 7:16And your house and your kingdom shall be made sure forever before me. Your throne shall be established forever.’” 17In accordance with all these words, and in accordance with all this vision, Nathan spoke to David.
How is Mary a descendant of David?Alsoho is Jesusin anyway a descendant of anyone but God since you claim he is the only begotten of God? You see you are oppose to Islam
and the Prophet Muhammad as I originally said but you are just opposing in a different less confrontational manner. God Bless you anywayBo,
Here the angel is announcing to Mary that she is going to get pregnant with the Son of God and mentions to her, without Joseph being mentioned or in the context, that the child will have the throne of His father, David.Luke 1:
30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary,
you have found favor with God.
31 You will be with child and give birth to a son,
and you are to give him the name Jesus.
32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High.
The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,
33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever;
his kingdom will never end.”
34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you,
and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.
So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child
in her old age, and she who was said to be barren
is in her sixth month.
37 For nothing is impossible with God.”The geneologies of Jesus are in Matt 1 and Luke 3. I came across this info on the web about the geneology in Luke belonging to Mary, and the one if Matt, belonging to Joseph. Here is what was said:
At the end of the Book of Numbers an interesting loophole emerged. A man died without a son, leaving 4 daughters. They came to Moses complaining that they would lose the family land since there was no son to inherit it. Moses sought the Lord Who decreed that if there was no son in a family daughters could inherit family land providing they married within their own tribal clan. In effect they had to marry a cousin to keep the land in the “family.” This made sense since land was allotted first by tribe then by clan then by family. Marrying within the clan kept the families in close proximity and preserved the tribal allotment. (Num. 36 1:13)
Now compare the 2 genealogies of Jesus in Matthew 1:1-17 and Luke 3:23-38, and you'll discover that Mary and Joseph were both of the tribe of Judah and descendants of David. Joseph descended through Solomon, the royal but cursed line, while Mary's line was through Solomon's brother Nathan.
Here's the tricky part. Mary had no brothers, and so was entitled to inherit her family's land as long as she married someone also descended from David. Joseph fit the bill and being in the royal line had a claim to the throne, but carried the blood curse. No biological son of his could ever legally qualify as Israel's king, but Joseph could secure Mary's right of inheritance.
When Mary accepted Joseph's offer of marriage she preserved her family's land and also made good her son's claim to the throne of Israel. Jesus was in the royal succession through Joseph but escaped the curse since he wasn't Joseph's biological son. But He was a biological descendant of David's through his mother and therefore of the “house and lineage of David.” Correct, both Mary and Joseph were decendants of King David.From here: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_the_Virgin_Mary_descended_from_King_David
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2013,21:34) Alsoho is Jesusin anyway a descendant of anyone but God since you claim he is the only begotten of God? You see you are oppose to Islam
and the Prophet Muhammad as I originally said but you are just opposing in a different less confrontational manner. God Bless you anyway
Bo,
Jesus is the only begotten of God according to being brought forth before creation. All things were created through Him and that is why He is the 'root of Jesse/David.' Mary was not at all involved at that time. Then thousands of years later, the only begotten Son of God who already existed, was supernaturally conceived in Mary. How that works, idk. Through Mary is how He became the 'shoot of Jesse/offspring of David.'Jesus tells us that He is both the root of and the offspring of David.
Rev 22:16
“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”God bless you too!
Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 22 2013,14:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2013,21:34) Alsoho is Jesusin anyway a descendant of anyone but God since you claim he is the only begotten of God? You see you are oppose to Islam
and the Prophet Muhammad as I originally said but you are just opposing in a different less confrontational manner. God Bless you anyway
Bo,
Jesus is the only begotten of God according to being brought forth before creation. All things were created through Him and that is why He is the 'root of Jesse/David.' Mary was not at all involved at that time. Then thousands of years later, the only begotten Son of God who already existed, was supernaturally conceived in Mary. How that works, idk. Through Mary is how He became the 'shoot of Jesse/offspring of David.'Jesus tells us that He is both the root of and the offspring of David.
Rev 22:16
“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”God bless you too!
You see it is not tht I disagree it's just tha I see a metaphor and you see it as literal.There is absolutely no way that Jesus is theLITERAL son of DAVID.
Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 25 2013,08:41) Bo,
Do you see yourself as a literal son of Adam or a metaphorical son of Adam?
I am not the son of Adam I am the son of “Carl” my father
Adam is the Father of Mankind and in that sense I could have never been without Adam but you say that Jesus i before Adam although he is called the second AdamBo,
So can you agree that you are literally a great, great, great… grandson of Adam?
Can you agree that you are literally a descendant of Adam?Jesus is literally a great, great, great…grandson of David through blood from Mary and through legal adoption from Joseph.
Before Mary, the Son existed as the root of David and not the shoot of David. After Mary's conception the Son became both the root of David and the offspring of David.
Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 26 2013,17:55) Bo,
So can you agree that you are literally a great, great, great… grandson of Adam?
Can you agree that you are literally a descendant of Adam?Jesus is literally a great, great, great…grandson of David through blood from Mary and through legal adoption from Joseph.
Before Mary, the Son existed as the root of David and not the shoot of David. After Mary's conception the Son became both the root of David and the offspring of David.
In what form was he the root of David?
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