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Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2012,02:28) Quote (942767 @ May 05 2012,15:37) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2012,01:41) Nick, Can someTHING that was God become someONE who is no longer God, and has a will of his own?
Does God ever change?
Hi Mike:And so, based on this comment, the “Word that was God” that became flesh in John 1 is “No Longer God”?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty,If John 1:1c in fact taught that the Word was “THE god” (which it doesn't), then scripture would be teaching that something that WAS God could become someone that WASN'T God.
But since John 1:1c teaches that the Word was a god who was with “THE god”, we have no such conundrum.
Hi Mike:I do not believe that John 1 teaches that the Word (Logos) was a god.
Here is a scripture which states that the Logos lives and abides forever. The Logos of God does not change.
Quote 1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Love in Christ,
MartyMarty,
Peter ends that thought with these words: And this is the word that was preached to you.
It is possible that in this case, the phrase “word of God” refers to the literal teaching of God through Jesus through his disciples. But it is equally possible that this is yet another instance of Jesus being called “the Word of God”, because they came preaching a particular Jesus (Word), right? Paul even warned against those who came preaching a different Jesus (Word) than the one they preached, right?
But either way, your scripture speaks nothing at all about whether or not Jesus is the Word of God in John 1:1. After all, Jesus also lives and abides forever, right?
Marty, read my last post to Nick on the previous page. Tell me where I'm scripturally wrong. Tell me if it makes sense to your that God was with God in the beginning. Or if someTHING that WAS God can become someONE who ISN'T God.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2012,12:17) Marty, Peter ends that thought with these words: And this is the word that was preached to you.
It is possible that in this case, the phrase “word of God” refers to the literal teaching of God through Jesus through his disciples. But it is equally possible that this is yet another instance of Jesus being called “the Word of God”, because they came preaching a particular Jesus (Word), right? Paul even warned against those who came preaching a different Jesus (Word) than the one they preached, right?
But either way, your scripture speaks nothing at all about whether or not Jesus is the Word of God in John 1:1. After all, Jesus also lives and abides forever, right?
Marty, read my last post to Nick on the previous page. Tell me where I'm scripturally wrong. Tell me if it makes sense to your that God was with God in the beginning. Or if someTHING that WAS God can become someONE who ISN'T God.
Hi Mike:The Word in the scripture that I have given from 1 Peter is “Logos”, and it is “Logos” in John 1. The Logos is God. God is love.
God spoke His Word to humanity through Jesus. The Logos is what God has spoken.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty,
“Logos” just means “word”. Sometimes it is used to describe the words of God Himself. Sometimes it is used to describe one of the names of God's main spokesman. And sometimes, it is used to describe an ordinary, everyday word spoken by a puny human being.
Would you like to see some scriptural proof of this – or do you believe me?
1Th 4:18
Therefore encourage one another with these words (logos).1Ti 4:9
This saying (logos) is trustworthy and deserves full acceptance.2Ti 2:11
This saying (logos) is trustworthy: If we died with him, we will also live with him.1Co 2:4
My conversation (logos) and my preaching were not with persuasive words (logos) of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit and of power,Is that enough witnesses, Ed?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 08 2012,11:36) 1Th 4:18
Therefore encourage one another with these words (logos).1Ti 4:9
This saying (logos) is trustworthy and deserves full acceptance.2Ti 2:11
This saying (logos) is trustworthy: If we died with him, we will also live with him.1Co 2:4
My conversation (logos) and my preaching were not with persuasive words (logos) of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit and of power,Is that enough witnesses, Ed?
Hi Mike, thanks!“The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit,” (John 6:63)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ May 08 2012,12:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 08 2012,11:36) 1Th 4:18
Therefore encourage one another with these words (logos).1Ti 4:9
This saying (logos) is trustworthy and deserves full acceptance.2Ti 2:11
This saying (logos) is trustworthy: If we died with him, we will also live with him.1Co 2:4
My conversation (logos) and my preaching were not with persuasive words (logos) of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit and of power,Is that enough witnesses, Ed?
Hi Mike, thanks!“The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit,” (John 6:63)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
“For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom;
to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;” (1 Cor 12:8)Does this question fit the topic; yes or no?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2012,11:01) Quote (Ed J @ May 27 2012,16:27) Hi Mike, Are you suggesting that the term “born of a woman” is a secret clue pointing towards preexistence then? …yes or no?
God bless
Ed J
Ed,The answer is “NO”. And the fact that my answer was already in my last post proves to me that sometimes, you just like to be a pest.
Hi Mike,Why do you say No when your explanation suggests Yes?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2012,04:26)
He would not have any reason to state that God's Son had to be born of a woman, because everyone already knew that Jesus was a human being.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgseekingtruth,Sep. wrote:Quote
Hope this response helps, because I will not be responding to you on this topic any further. I believe your questions and techniques are questionable and are better suited for confusing your opponent, rather than bringing clarity to the point.My opinion – Wm
*claps* After all this time, I couldn't ever say this better myself.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 16 2012,22:37) What can I say? I'm good at backing those who speak unscripturally into a corner. It's a gift. 
^^^
An example of wishful thinking.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 17 2012,04:56) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 16 2012,22:37) What can I say? I'm good at backing those who speak unscripturally into a corner. It's a gift.
^^^
An example of wishful thinking.
no ,it is realityTaken from here: (Link)
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 14 2012,08:45) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 14 2012,07:19) Any man teaching different from the scriptures is a deceiver. wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Are you now FALSELY accusing me of being a deceiver – yes or no?
God bless
Ed J
Hey Mike,How's this cleverly constructed question?
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd, if a loaded question is asked, and the person cannot answer it, does this mean that they agree with what is being suggested?
(Referring to latest discussion on how not answering questions “tends” to be suspicious.
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 13 2012,15:47) Taken from here: (Link) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 14 2012,08:45) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 14 2012,07:19) Any man teaching different from the scriptures is a deceiver. wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Are you now FALSELY accusing me of being a deceiver – yes or no?
God bless
Ed J
Hey Mike,How's this cleverly constructed question?
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J
I actually thought it was funny. I even added my own post saying, “David, are you falsely accusing Ed of falsely accusing Wake Up of falsely accusing Ed of being deceptive?”But then I thought I'd better not mess up Wake Up's thread just to be funny, so I removed it.
Anyway, David's question can easily be answered with a “YES” or a “NO”, right?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2012,09:02) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 13 2012,15:47) Taken from here: (Link) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 14 2012,08:45) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 14 2012,07:19) Any man teaching different from the scriptures is a deceiver. wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Are you now FALSELY accusing me of being a deceiver – yes or no?
God bless
Ed J
Hey Mike,How's this cleverly constructed question?
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J
I actually thought it was funny. I even added my own post saying, “David, are you falsely accusing Ed of falsely accusing Wake Up of falsely accusing Ed of being deceptive?”But then I thought I'd better not mess up Wake Up's thread just to be funny, so I removed it.
Anyway, David's question can easily be answered with a “YES” or a “NO”, right?
Thank you Mike,At first I thought he said I was accusing Wakeup, but then I realized it was a question as well.
Because I originally wrote: “since when does a question become an accusation?”
It was at that point I realized I had to edit my post, and started laughing my but off too.Who says Christians don't have a sense of humor?
I answered “No”, but let me go back and see if it can be
answered “Yes” as well.… >>> well, I would certainly not answer “Yes” to David's question, but I suppose it could be, based on your understanding.
If I said yes, that would be a false false accuser – right?Would you say I finally constructed a question that cannot be answered yes or no?
I guess based on your question to me, you could say “Yes” or “No” to mine as well then. HA Ha ha ha ha!!!
(tears are streaming from my eyes)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Mike,
I think someone should post a link to this thread for a good laugh as well.
Truly what a great forum we have here!
Your friend
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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