Loaded questions cannot be answered yes or no

[Ed J]

To All,

Loaded questions cannot be answered yes or no.   …they must first be re-worded unloaded.
MikeBoll64 repeats loaded questions over and over expecting others to fall into this trap.
But this form of repetition does not lead to agreeing on what the truth actually is.

I start this thread in believers politics to expose the strategies implemented
that can actually lead to a resolvable agreement as to what the truth really is.

If agreement is what is sought, incorrectly worded questions CAN BE overlooked.
However, if the only goal is to attempt to get others to submit to your brand of truth,
questions must be worded correctly in order to be answered with a yes or a no answer.
MikeBoll seems to have difficulty understanding this concept in discussions with others.
Deleting posts that offer evidence against his assertions, claiming they are off topic, is unacceptable!

If the goal is to seek agreement, I'll gladly help to rephrase each and every question.
BUT: If the only goal is merely an attempt to get others to submit to your brand of truth,
you yourself must figure out how to re-worded your question; WITH ABSOLUTELY NO HELP.

Questions are sometimes worded very vaguely (knowingly or unknowingly),
with the idea that once agreed upon will later be used for something specific.
If such is the case, questions must reflect the specificity of their intended use.
There is a lot to discuss here, I will wait for others weigh in on other strategies.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Ed, give me an example of ANY "YES or NO" question that cannot be answered with a "YES or NO".

Ask me one right now.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 14 2011,19:57)

Deleting posts that offer evidence against his assertions, claiming they are off topic, is unacceptable!

Ed, Click Here to see where Keith did the same thing you did.  Look at the 9th post down, where I called him out on it.  He was IMPORTING discussions we were already having in other threads into this thread.  Whether he meant it this way or not, it served as a diversion from the topic at hand.  

My point with him AND YOU was:  Why would you IMPORT a discussion we were already having somewhere else into this new thread?  Was I not directly answering your questions where we started the discussion?  Why have the same discussion TWO places?  

And THAT is why I deleted some of your posts.  In fact, two of the three you IMPORTED FROM ANOTHER THREAD had already been answered on that other thread.  Why would you bring those posts to a brand new thread and post them as if they were new questions instead of questions that had already been directly answered?  

And most importantly:  WHY are you bringing this up again?  Did you not re-post the posts I deleted?  Did I not choose to allow them the second time to keep you from crying?  That's right, Ed………….it was MY choice to leave them or re-delete them.  Not t8's.  I had his approval to deal with it as I saw fit.  And I chose to leave them the second time.  And after cooling off for a day, I even answered them AGAIN in my new thread.  And it is these very posts and points that now have you so upset.  Because I'm scripturally showing you that your understanding doesn't align with the scriptures.  Which just goes to show that I didn't delete them to "squelch" any truth that was in them.

So……………just why ARE are you bringing this up again?

[Ed J]

……..Loaded questions cannot be answered yes or no.   …they must first be re-worded unloaded.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 02 2011,13:05)

Ed, all things were said to have come through the Word, God's Son, AND our Lord Jesus Christ.  Do you deny this?

Hi Mike,

This question (in quote box) I have quoted is one such example.
Because Hebrews 11:3 clearly disagrees with the question you propose.
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by “The Word” of God,
so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. (Hebrews 11:3)

Did Jesus appear, yes or no?

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Ed,

YES. Jesus APPEARED to his disciples many times in many places. See? The question was answered with a YES or NO, right? Give me a hard one.

Oh, and btw, what is so hard about my question to you that you quoted? I listed word for word the scriptures that say all things are through the Word, God's Son, and our Lord Jesus Christ. The scriptures clearly say it. So what's so hard about saying, "YES Mike, the scriptures DO say that"?

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2011,13:30)

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by “The Word” of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. (Hebrews 11:3) Did Jesus appear, yes or no?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 15 2011,13:44)

Ed, YES.  Jesus APPEARED to his disciples many times in many places.  See?  The question was answered with a YES or NO, right?  Give me a hard one.

Hi Mike,

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by “The Word” of God,
so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. (Hebrews 11:3)

Since you agreed that Jesus was something that appeared (according to what Hebrews 11:3 says),
you do now understand Hebrews 11:3 disqualifies Jesus from being a candidate for "The Word", Yes or No?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 15 2011,13:02)

Ed, give me an example of ANY "YES or NO" question that cannot be answered with a "YES or NO". Ask me one right now.

I was just reading a book. I like this question you ask.

I have a question (a yes or no question) that you must answer "yes" or "no" to and that I would like you to try to answer truthfully. Take your time.

Here goes:

"Is 'No' Your Answer to This Question"?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 15 2011,13:26)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 14 2011,19:57) Deleting posts that offer evidence against his assertions, claiming they are off topic, is unacceptable! Ed, Click Here to see where Keith did the same thing you did.  Look at the 9th post down, where I called him out on it.  He was IMPORTING discussions we were already having in other threads into this thread.  Whether he meant it this way or not, it served as a diversion from the topic at hand.   My point with him AND YOU was:  Why would you IMPORT a discussion we were already having somewhere else into this new thread?  Was I not directly answering your questions where we started the discussion?  Why have the same discussion TWO places?   And THAT is why I deleted some of your posts.  In fact, two of the three you IMPORTED FROM ANOTHER THREAD had already been answered on that other thread.  Why would you bring those posts to a brand new thread and post them as if they were new questions instead of questions that had already been directly answered?   And most importantly:  WHY are you bringing this up again?  Did you not re-post the posts I deleted?  Did I not choose to allow them the second time to keep you from crying?  That's right, Ed………….it was MY choice to leave them or re-delete them.  Not t8's.  I had his approval to deal with it as I saw fit.  And I chose to leave them the second time.  And after cooling off for a day, I even answered them AGAIN in my new thread.  And it is these very posts and points that now have you so upset.  Because I'm scripturally showing you that your understanding doesn't align with the scriptures.  Which just goes to show that I didn't delete them to "squelch" any truth that was in them. So……………just why ARE are you bringing this up again?

Hi Mike,

Importing posts from one thread to another is allowed; I asked T8 regarding this matter.

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Why have the same discussion TWO places?

       I thought you started that thread so we could discuss the matter in more depth; I told you this was why I imported those posts; remember?

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Did I not choose to allow them the second time to keep you from crying?

       I believe T8 was allowing you to choose to do what is right, the same way God allows us all to choose to do what is right.

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So……………just why ARE are you bringing this up again?

       So this (meaning you deleting posts that are on topic but you don't like) won't get deleted by you again.

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I chose to leave them the second time.  And after cooling off for a day

       Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
       For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. (James 1:19-20)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 15 2011,13:26)

And it is these very posts and points that now have you so upset.

Hi Mike,

I'm not upset at all. I started this thread so you can
understanding the debate protocol that I implement.

If I just simply state your question cannot be answered
yes or no, you will not understand without an explanation.

This thread offers you that explanation. It also offers others a way
to discuss things that seem to have no real solution, short of submission.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[princess]

Quote (david @ Sep. 15 2011,17:08)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 15 2011,13:02) Ed, give me an example of ANY "YES or NO" question that cannot be answered with a "YES or NO". Ask me one right now. I was just reading a book.  I like this question you ask. I have a question (a yes or no question) that you must answer "yes" or "no" to and that I would like you to try to answer truthfully.  Take your time. Here goes: "Is 'No' Your Answer to This Question"?

Yes

[mikeboll64]

Quote (david @ Sep. 15 2011,00:08)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 15 2011,13:02) Ed, give me an example of ANY "YES or NO" question that cannot be answered with a "YES or NO". Ask me one right now. I was just reading a book.  I like this question you ask. I have a question (a yes or no question) that you must answer "yes" or "no" to and that I would like you to try to answer truthfully.  Take your time. Here goes: "Is 'No' Your Answer to This Question"?

Hi David,

Okay, you got me.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2011,01:13)

I believe T8 was allowing you to choose to do what is right, the same way God allows us all to choose to do what is right.

Perhaps.  But the more you speak of this, the more I kick myself in the butt for NOT doing what was right and deleting them the second time.  Instead, I did what was wrong to keep you happy, at the expense of my own personal feelings.  In other words Ed, I LET you win even though victory in this matter was rightfully mine…………..and was also WITHIN MY OWN POWER.  You are welcome.

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2011,01:13)

I thought you started that thread so we could discuss the matter in more depth; I told you this was why I imported those posts; remember?

And didn't my reaction to you importing posts into my brand new thread that I wanted to keep on topic for at least a day tell you that YOU THOUGHT WRONG?

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2011,01:13)

So this (meaning you deleting posts that are on topic but you don't like) won't get deleted by you again.

I actually liked the posts, Ed.  They allowed me to clarify some scriptural matters for you that you had previously misunderstood.  I just didn't see why you would post them as NEW questions in my new thread when I had already DIRECTLY and SCRIPTURALLY answered them in the thread in which you originally posted them.  I still don't understand it.  

But look at your claims, Ed.  You have claimed that I "didn't like" those posts.  You have claimed that those posts "offered evidence against my assertions".  You have implied that I was "scared" of the information in those posts and therefore wanted to "make them go away".

Are these claims true, Ed?  Would a man who was "scared" of them have already answered them in another thread BEFORE you imported them into my new thread?  You are bearing false testimony against me, Ed.

But enough of this charade.  Why not prove what this thread was intended to prove?  Why not show the folks here one of the "YES or NO" questions I've asked you that is not really a "YES or NO" question?  Then the others here can decide whether the question can be answered with a YES or NO or not.

Ready, set, GO!

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 14 2011,21:11)

Since you agreed that Jesus was something that appeared (according to what Hebrews 11:3 says), you do now understand Hebrews 11:3 disqualifies Jesus from being a candidate for "The Word", Yes or No?

Ed, the DIRECT answer to your "YES or NO" question is "NO!"

Hebrews 11:3
NET ©
By faith we understand that the worlds were set in order at God’s command, so that the visible has its origin in the invisible.

NIV ©
By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

NASB ©
By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.

NLT ©
By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God’s command, that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen.

MSG ©
By faith, we see the world called into existence by God's word, what we see created by what we don't see.

NRSV ©
By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was made from things that are not visible.

NKJV ©
By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

Jesus was not a visible creature when all things were created through him in the beginning.  Even the new version of the KJV shows the true meaning of what the scripture says.

Please tell me that this thread is not YET ANOTHER place I now have to address your same issues.  Ask any follow-up questions to this post in the thread you already hijacked, okay?

Keep this thread for its intended purpose:  To show everone how my "YES or NO" questions aren't really "YES or NO" questions.

We'll be anxiously awaiting your first example.  

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

              The intent of this thread was and is to…

1. Explain why certain questions cannot be yes or no.
 A. Because a question that is loaded, is an attempt to bully another into into submission.
 B. Because an answer of "NO" does not in and of itself help to resolve the differences in views.
    1. The person asking may not know what part of the question is agreed to and what part is not.
    2. Any guest readers may not understand why "No" may be an incorrect response to some as well.

My goal in starting this thread is to explain debate protocol that can actually lead to agreement;
so the scope goes far beyond just producing questions that have no apparent resolution.
But I will entertain you with some (periodically), if that is the only part of interest.

I have explained how and why I do the things that I do, and I'm hoping you as well
as others will add to how seemingly irreconcilable differences can actually be reconciled.
Explaining to others just exactly HOW this can be done is what this thread is all about.

Sorry, if either my opening post or the limited nature of the title bar did not reflect the intent of my starting this thread.
Now that you know why I started this thread, I hope you will help explain to others what procedures you use.
This thread can and should be a great stepping stone to us as well as to others hear at Heaven.net.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2011,14:07)

The intent of this thread was and is to… 1. Explain why certain questions cannot be yes or no.

Then DO IT already!  Post one of the YES or NO questions I've asked you that can't possibly be answered with a YES or a NO.

We're all waiting………………………………………………………………………

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

Next time you throw one at me I can import it to this thread;
so let's wait until you give me a new one; it shouldn't be long.
In the mean time, what do you say to these two, yes or no?

1) If someone answers a question of yours, that you say is a yes or no question,
and uses other words instead of yes or no is their view wrong; yes or no?

2) Is your view correct and whoever disagrees with you can't possibly be proven to be right later in time; yes or no?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

Here's a couple more for you…

Is there any possibility you could be wrong; yes or no?

Are you certain that will you be able to prove to someone that you were right and they were wrong; yes or no?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2011,20:40)

1) If someone answers a question of yours, that you say is a yes or no question, and uses other words instead of yes or no is their view wrong; yes or no?

NO!  Their view is not necessarily wrong, but there is no reason they couldn't have done what I just did – FIRST say "YES" or "NO", and then explain any mitigating circumstances.

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2011,20:40)

2) Is your view correct and whoever disagrees with you can't possibly be proven to be right later in time; yes or no?

That is a poorly worded question, Ed.  It's almost like two different questions wrapped into one confusing sentence.

But, NO, I don't agree that my view is always right, and NO, I don't believe that others can't be proven right and me wrong later in time.  I have adjusted my beliefs a number of times after being shown I was wrong.

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2011,20:40)

Next time you throw one at me I can import it to this thread; so let's wait until you give me a new one; it shouldn't be long.

No, no, no!  You started this thread with the implication that idiot Mike FREQUENTLY asks "YES or NO" questions that cannot possibly be answered with a YES or a NO.  If I have done this SO MANY TIMES, surely you can find just ONE of those times to present as evidence for your defamatory thread, right?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2011,21:01)

Is there any possibility you could be wrong; yes or no?

YES!

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2011,21:01)

Are you certain that will you be able to prove to someone that you were right and they were wrong; yes or no?

NO!

Are you beginning to see how easy this is, Ed?

[seekingtruth]

Example of a loaded question – If I state; “everything I say is a lie” am I telling the truth? yes or no

From Wikipedia,
A common way out of this argument is not to answer the question (e.g. with a simple 'yes' or 'no'), but to challenge the assumption behind the question. To use an earlier example, a good response to the question "Do you still beat your wife?" would be "I have never beaten my wife".[5] This removes the ambiguity of the expected response, therefore nullifying the tactic. However, the askers of said questions have learned to get around this tactic by accusing the one who answers of dodging the question. A rhetorical question such as "Then please explain, how could I possibly have beaten a wife that I've never had?" can be an effective antidote to this further tactic, placing the burden on the deceptive questioner either to expose their tactic or stop the line of inquiry. In many cases a short answer is important. I neither did nor do I now makes a good example on how to answer the question without letting the asker interrupt and misshape the response.

So Mike have you stopped beating your wife??? Yes or No

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