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October 15, 2010 at 10:38 am#219983

Ed J

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 15 2010,19:58)

“ Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.

This was a misquote by Paul there is no such statement in the Psalm that he was quoting from nor any other Psalm. Paul often misquotes I don't know if on purpose or not but often scriptures that he quotes can not be found or when they are they are not as he said it. This is the actual verse literally

Psalm 40:6 (Young's Literal Translation)
6Sacrifice and present Thou hast not desired, Ears Thou hast prepared for me, Burnt and sin-offering Thou hast not asked.

Was it a simple mistake? I don't know, but exchanging ears for Body gave it a whole different meaning didn't it? But now that I have shown you that he misquoted Psalm 40:6 will you at least admit then it changes the meaning.

Hi Everyone,

Mark4:22-23 For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret,
but that it should come abroad. If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

BD is either disingenuous or misinformed!

Psalm 40:6-7 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened:
burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. Then said I, Lo, I come:
in (a body prepared for me) the volume of the book it is written of me,

AKJV Bible(74) = Jesus(74)

Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (In The AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.
Isaiah 28:11: For with stammering lips and another tongue(that is English) will he speak to this people.

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

October 15, 2010 at 3:09 pm#220017

bodhitharta

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2010,21:38)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 15 2010,19:58)

“ Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.

Psalm 40:6 (Young's Literal Translation)
6Sacrifice and present Thou hast not desired, Ears Thou hast prepared for me, Burnt and sin-offering Thou hast not asked.

Hi Everyone,

Mark4:22-23 For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret,
but that it should come abroad. If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

BD is either disingenuous or misinformed!

AKJV Bible(74) = Jesus(74)

The AKJV says the same thing

Authorized King James Version (KJV) of 1611.

Psalm 40:6-7

Psalms 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

Psalms 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

There is no “a body prepared for me” in the AKJV but look what it does say:

Psalm 40:13-14 (King James Version)
13Be pleased, O LORD, to deliver me: O LORD, make haste to help me.
14Let them be ashamed and confounded together that seek after my soul to destroy it; let them be driven backward and put to shame that wish me evil.

The Quran backs this and confirms that Jesus was in-fact DELIVERED

Sura #3

54 And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.
55 Behold! Allah said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

And they were confounded as the scriptures say:

And he said, “Go, and say to this people: “'Keep on hearing, but do not understand;keep on seeing, but do not perceive.'
Isaiah 6:8-10

That they said (in boast), “We killed christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:–
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)

October 15, 2010 at 4:22 pm#220025

Ed J

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 16 2010,02:09)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2010,21:38)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 15 2010,19:58)

“ Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.

Psalm 40:6 (Young's Literal Translation)
6Sacrifice and present Thou hast not desired, Ears Thou hast prepared for me, Burnt and sin-offering Thou hast not asked.

Hi Everyone,

Mark4:22-23 For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret,
but that it should come abroad. If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

BD is either disingenuous or misinformed!

AKJV Bible(74) = Jesus(74)

The AKJV says the same thing

Authorized King James Version (KJV) of 1611.

Psalm 40:6-7

Psalms 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

Psalms 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

There is no “a body prepared for me” in the AKJV but look what it does say:

The Quran backs this and confirms that Jesus was in-fact DELIVERED

Sura #3

54 And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.
55 Behold! Allah said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

And they were confounded as the scriptures say:

And he said, “Go, and say to this people: “'Keep on hearing, but do not understand;keep on seeing, but do not perceive.'
Isaiah 6:8-10

To All,

quran = Babylon (meaning confusion)

Seems BD has to wait for a resurrection for both his salvation and matters of dispute to be resolved!
Yet, at the same time he refuses to believe YHVH resurrected Jesus; why is that? (Galatians 1:1)

But what saith the Scriptures?

2Corinthians 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted,
and in the day of salvation have I (YHVH) succoured thee: behold,
now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;
who for the joy that was set before him endured (crucifixion on) the cross,
despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

October 15, 2010 at 4:36 pm#220026

Ed J

Participant

To All,

BD CANNOT bring himself to say: Jesus is Lord!
1Cor.12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no
man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and
that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the HolySpirit.

2Tm.1:7-10 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou
partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; Who hath saved us,
and called with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own
purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ,
who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality
to light through the gospel (of Jesus Christ our Lord):

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 15, 2010 at 4:38 pm#220027

bodhitharta

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 16 2010,03:22)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 16 2010,02:09)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2010,21:38)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 15 2010,19:58)

“ Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.

Psalm 40:6 (Young's Literal Translation)
6Sacrifice and present Thou hast not desired, Ears Thou hast prepared for me, Burnt and sin-offering Thou hast not asked.

Hi Everyone,

Mark4:22-23 For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret,
but that it should come abroad. If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

BD is either disingenuous or misinformed!

AKJV Bible(74) = Jesus(74)

The AKJV says the same thing

Authorized King James Version (KJV) of 1611.

Psalm 40:6-7

Psalms 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

Psalms 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

There is no “a body prepared for me” in the AKJV but look what it does say:

The Quran backs this and confirms that Jesus was in-fact DELIVERED

Sura #3

54 And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.
55 Behold! Allah said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

And they were confounded as the scriptures say:

And he said, “Go, and say to this people: “'Keep on hearing, but do not understand;keep on seeing, but do not perceive.'
Isaiah 6:8-10

To All,

quran = Babylon (meaning confusion)

Seems BD has to wait for a resurrection for both his salvation and matters of dispute to be resolved!
Yet, at the same time he refuses to believe YHVH resurrected Jesus; why is that? (Galatians 1:1)

But what saith the Scriptures?

2Corinthians 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted,
and in the day of salvation have I (YHVH) succoured thee: behold,
now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

2Corinthians 6:2 is a quote from Isaiah 49:8

2 Corinthians 6:2 (Young's Literal Translation)
2for He saith, `In an acceptable time I did hear thee, and in a day of salvation I did help thee, lo, now [is] a well-accepted time; lo, now, a day of salvation,' —

Isaiah 49:8 (Young's Literal Translation)
8Thus said Jehovah: `In a time of good pleasure I answered thee, And in a day of salvation I helped thee, And I keep thee, and give thee, For a covenant of the people, To establish the earth, To cause to inherit desolate inheritances.

Pay attention:

Isaiah 49:8 (King James Version)
8Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

Yes preserve!

Sura #3

55 Behold! Allah said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

October 16, 2010 at 1:08 am#220081

942767

Participant

No BD:

Paul is the Apostle to the Nations. The word “Apostle” means “sent by God”. God also confirmed what he was teaching with miracles and signs following. God will not confirm something that is a lie.

Relative to the scriptures that I quoted for you in Hebrews 10 about sinning wilfully. SOMEHOW YOU KEEP READING AROUND WHAT THE SCRIPTURES STATE ABOUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS THAT WAS SHED FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD. The sin is that if you do not believe, you have rejected God's love for you by denying what he has done for you in the person of Jesus, His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.

Here read it:

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12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

18Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

19Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21And having an high priest over the house of God;

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28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy,who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Have you read it? How can you miss what it says about the blood?

And no, I am not seeking to do you harm or to destroy you. I am telling you the truth hoping that you will believe and be saved.

God loves you and He has said that “He did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved”.

Now your Muslim brothers might threaten you if you do confess Jesus as your Lord and reject Islam, but man can only kill the body. He cannot kill the soul.

The Anti-Christ is coming and everyone who is not written in the lamb's book of like will worship him. I am telling you the truth.

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3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness

October 16, 2010 at 3:53 pm#220140

bodhitharta

Participant

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 16 2010,12:08)

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No BD:

Haven't you read what Jesus said?

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matthew 24:23-25

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Here read it:

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12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

18Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

19Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21And having an high priest over the house of God;

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28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Have you read it? How can you miss what it says about the blood?

And no, I am not seeking to do you harm or to destroy you. I am telling you the truth hoping that you will believe and be saved.

The only problem is, is that Paul did not reallu understand what he was talking about Jesus didn't offer himself up if that were true Jesus would not have said

But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Matthew 12:6-8

A condemned offering would not be valid as a sacrifice. When will you understand that Jesus was going to be Murdered not “offered” and God does not condone the spilling of innocent blood

They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous, and condemn the innocent blood.
Psalm 94:20-22

And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
Psalm 106:37-39

Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
Isaiah 59:6-8

Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
Matthew 27:3-5

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God loves you and He has said that “He did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved”.

Yes, that is correct but he also did not send his son into the world to be condemned.

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Now your Muslim brothers might threaten you if you do confess Jesus as your Lord and reject Islam, but man can only kill the body. He cannot kill the soul.

Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #256)

Why would someone threaten for their beliefs? Places that do that are not following the Quran just as those Christians were killing other Christians for their beliefs. Don't believe everything you've heard to be true for all.

Say: “O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah. that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, lords and patrons other than Allah.” If then they turn back, say ye: “Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah.s Will).
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #64)

Nor would he instruct you to take angels and prophets for lords and patrons. What! would he bid you to unbelief after ye have bowed your will (To Allah in Islam)?
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #80)

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The Anti-Christ is coming and everyone who is not written in the lamb's book of like will worship him. I am telling you the truth.

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:17-19

This was 700 years before Muhammad and Islam so who were these anti-christs? Who were the Ravenous wolves?

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1 John 4:2-4

Again this was before Islam and it is saying the antichrist was already there and plus Islam that Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh and was flesh and blood (not God incarnate) but Paul said Jesus came in the “likeness” of sinful flesh and Paul only talks about a spirit Jesus whom he met on the road that came as a disembodied light from the sky.

And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luke 10:17-19

Acts 9:3 (King James Version)
3And as he journeyed,
he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

Matthew 24:23 (King James Version)
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

But you did believe it Marty. You believe that Jesus came as a spirit to Paul

Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Acts 1:10-12

and how did he go into heaven?

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:38-40

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3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;[/U]

This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
1 Timothy 1:14-16

Jesus did not come into the world to SAVE SINNERS that is a complete lie.

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14

When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:16-18

I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luke 5:31-33

[Quote] 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.
Acts 28:5-7

October 19, 2010 at 2:59 am#220396

942767

Participant

Hi BD:

You say:

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The only problem is, is that Paul did not reallu understand what he was talking about Jesus didn't offer himself up if that were true Jesus would not have said

But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Matthew 12:6-8

No, Paul knew exactly what he was saying and taught the truth. The problem is that you do not know the truth.

God will have mercy through the sacrifice that He has given(not one that any man born of the sperm of man can give) to be the propitiation for man's sins. You can not earn salvation through good works. Without the blood to wash away your sins, you are dead or spiritually separated from God because of your sins.

If Jesus did not overcome sin and death by obeying God even unto death, and if God did not raise him from the dead, declaring him not guilty, there is no resurrection from the dead. The wages of sin is death.

As I said to you before, when you believe what God has done for you in the person of Jesus, His Only Begotten Son and His Christ, you will find Him.

There is no need to answer any of your rebuttal to what I have said in my previous post. I have given you the truth, and I will pray for you. That is all that I can do.

Love in Christ,
Marty

I am praying that God will give you understanding that what I have said to you is the truth.

October 19, 2010 at 4:08 am#220412

bodhitharta

Participant

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 19 2010,13:59)

Hi BD:

You say:

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The only problem is, is that Paul did not reallu understand what he was talking about Jesus didn't offer himself up if that were true Jesus would not have said

But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Matthew 12:6-8

No, Paul knew exactly what he was saying and taught the truth. The problem is that you do not know the truth.

As I said to you before, when you believe what God has done for you in the person of Jesus, His Only Begotten Son and His Christ, you will find Him.

There is no need to answer any of your rebuttal to what I have said in my previous post. I have given you the truth, and I will pray for you. That is all that I can do.

Love in Christ,
Marty

I am praying that God will give you understanding that what I have said to you is the truth.

Problem with your idea is it is unscriptural because Jesus was already talking about the resurrection before they plotted to kill him:

For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Matthew 22:29-31

This proves that Jesus knew of a resurrection that was knowledge apart from anything he would be accomplishing but you didn't know that, did you?

Matthew 22:31-32 (King James Version)
31But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Luke 20:35-37

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
John 5:28-30

All of this has nothing to do with the crucifixion and now watch this and learn Brother:

John 11:23-24 (King James Version)
23Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

In other words the belief in resurrection was already present and not dependent on Jesus alone.

October 19, 2010 at 4:38 am#220424

mikeboll64

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Was not Martha a student of Jesus? Did she not follow him and learn from his teachings about the resurrection?

mike

October 19, 2010 at 5:11 am#220428

bodhitharta

Participant

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 19 2010,15:38)

Was not Martha a student of Jesus? Did she not follow him and learn from his teachings about the resurrection?

mike

The ressurection was a wide held belief which not everyone believed in but knew about the belief:

The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,
Matthew 22:22-24

Therefore they could not have learned about it from Jesus.

Isaiah 26:19 (Contemporary English Version) 19Your people will rise to life!
Tell them to leave their graves
and celebrate with shouts.
You refresh the earth
like morning dew;
you give life to the dead.

Daniel 12:2 (King James Version)
2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

In other words before Jesus was sent this belief was prevalent

October 19, 2010 at 5:22 am#220429

Ed J

Participant

Hi Everyone,

See how BD purposely did not use the AKJV bible for Isaiah 26:19 …
It's obvious because Isaiah 26:19 eludes to the Gospel, something BD denies!

Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my(Jesus') dead body shall they arise.
Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs,
and the earth shall cast out the dead (in the resurrection).

Isaiah 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth
for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 19, 2010 at 8:45 am#220444

bodhitharta

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 19 2010,16:22)

Hi Everyone,

See how BD purposely did not use the AKJV bible for Isaiah 26:19 …
It's obvious because Isaiah 26:19 eludes to the Gospel, something BD denies!

Isaiah 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth
for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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together with my dead body shall they arise

So are you saying that the resurrection has already occured?

October 19, 2010 at 8:46 am#220445

bodhitharta

Participant

Isaiah 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth
for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Has this happened already ED if so why are people still being slain and covered? The resurrection is going to come but it has not already occured.

October 20, 2010 at 2:09 am#220541

942767

Participant

Hi BD:

Of course, people of the OT believed that there would be a resurrection from the dead because it was prophesied in God's Word, and Jesus knew about the resurrection because God had showed him that he was to give his life for the sins of the world and that he would rise again.

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1 Corinthians 15 (King James Version)

1 Corinthians 15
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

5And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

6After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

7After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

8And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

9For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

10But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

11Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.

12Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

13But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

14And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

15Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

16For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

17And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

18Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

19If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death

This is what Jesus said:

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Matthew 20:17And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,

18Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,

19And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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