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Nick……A LAW is a enforced statue, it always includes enforcement, where there is no enforcement there is (NO) LAW. It just a statute. Notice where is say for where there is (NO) law there is no transgression (of IT). You can't transgress a Law when there is NONE. GOD'S commandments were turned into (LAW) forced compliance at Mount Sinai. A law is (NOT) a Commandment a commandment becomes a LAW when force is applied to it.
gene
hi
why the Israelits where punish so that they will not enter the sabath of God ?if there is no law ,no punnishment?
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 05 2009,01:58) hi
why the Israelits where punish so that they will not enter the sabath of God ?if there is no law ,no punnishment?
If you walk according to the ways of the Spirit then there is not law banning your actions but if you walk according to the ways of the flesh there is a law and you will be judged according to it.Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 05 2009,14:15) hi kerwin
that is not the answer.
It is the answer that Paul gave in his letter to the Galatians. Galatians 5:16-26 to be exact. In other words there is no law against obedience to God's commands. It is not Paul's fault that people do not want to understand what he was stating as it is self evident.To All…….”whosoever is (UNDER) the works of the Law is under a (CURSE)” and again the LAW is for the sinner and the UNGODLY”. If your heart has been changed (BY) GOD , you are (NOT) UNDER ANY LAW. YOU HAVE (BECOME) and (FULFILL) the Commandments in your (NEW HEART), YOU are born from above, the (WORKS) of LAW has been replaced by the (WORKS) of the HOLY SPIRIT> The commandments can only truly be kept by the SPIRIT of GOD in US> so simple. IMO
peace and love to you all…………………..gene
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 04 2009,21:55) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 05 2009,01:58) hi
why the Israelits where punish so that they will not enter the sabath of God ?if there is no law ,no punnishment?
If you walk according to the ways of the Spirit then there is not law banning your actions but if you walk according to the ways of the flesh there is a law and you will be judged according to it.
Yup!Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 05 2009,00:57) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 05 2009,14:15) hi kerwin
that is not the answer.
It is the answer that Paul gave in his letter to the Galatians. Galatians 5:16-26 to be exact. In other words there is no law against obedience to God's commands. It is not Paul's fault that people do not want to understand what he was stating as it is self evident.
Yup!Quote (Gene @ Dec. 05 2009,08:52) To All…….”whosoever is (UNDER) the works of the Law is under a (CURSE)” and again the LAW is for the sinner and the UNGODLY”. If your heart has been changed (BY) GOD , you are (NOT) UNDER ANY LAW. YOU HAVE (BECOME) and (FULFILL) the Commandments in your (NEW HEART), YOU are born from above, the (WORKS) of LAW has been replaced by the (WORKS) of the HOLY SPIRIT> The commandments can only truly be kept by the SPIRIT of GOD in US> so simple. IMO peace and love to you all…………………..gene
Yup!Quote Matthew 5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matthew 22:36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
John 7:49 But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed.
Act 21:20 And when they heard [it], they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
Act 21:24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave [their] heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but [that] thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.
Act 22:3 I am verily a man [which am] a Jew, born in Tarsus, [a city] in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, [and] taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.
Act 22:12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt [there],
Romans 2:12-15; 17-18; 20 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before 'elohim, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another). . . Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of 'elohim, And knowest [his] will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law. . . An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? 'elohim forbid.
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? 'elohim forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of 'elohim after the inward man:
Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against 'elohim: for it is not subject to the law of 'elohim, neither indeed can be.
Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.
1Corinthians 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to 'elohim, but under the law to the Messiah,) that I might gain them that are without law.
1Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
Galatians 3:21 [Is] the law then against the promises of 'elohim? 'Elohim forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
To ALL…..The secret to this understand about the Law , is in the definite article (THE) if you look it up in a Greek translation you will find that Paul did not say by WORKS of (THE) Law , But by works of LAW (the way LAW WORKS) shall (NO) Flesh be JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD. Law (WORKS) through (FORCED COMPLIANCE) through the medium of fear, even if a man out of (FEAR) controls his behavior it is useless, because while fear can be a deterrent to sin , it can (NEVER) Make the HEART right, forced compliance is Paul's Point because that is How LAW Works. That is why it says we are (CREATED) UNTO GOOD WORKS. BIG Difference, So we do not seek righteousness through the (OPERATION) of LAW
“O” the richness and Glory and Power to our GOD, who transforms us into his dear childern by renewing our Hearts and Minds. There is none like Him praise Him all you inhabitants of the EARTH and HEAVEN for ever and ever. He is the ROCK of our SALVATION, and our STRONG DEFENSE. IMO
peace and love to you all and yours………………….gene
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 05 2009,16:55) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 05 2009,01:58) hi
why the Israelits where punish so that they will not enter the sabath of God ?if there is no law ,no punnishment?
If you walk according to the ways of the Spirit then there is not law banning your actions but if you walk according to the ways of the flesh there is a law and you will be judged according to it.
jesus is the new law. the old law of the dominion of sin is no more. that is why if we repent and are true about it we are forgiven. jesus has made it so that we are again allowed to have the chance of living under god's kingdom.we are still held responsible for our actions, if they are of the world and its ruler satan there will be no room for you in god's kingdom.
it is now a spiritual law , our salvation is from spiritual works and faith.
Hi Keras.
You say in your writings“All over the world amongst Christians there is an arousal in the direction of returning to 'Hebrew roots', meaning adopting Biblical injunctions and customs. This attempt to observe the Old Testament Laws sometimes takes the form of imitating aspects of Judaism, or applying their own innovations by a private understanding of what Scripture says. This movement of trying to 'do Torah', is especially noticeable among people who are identified as comprised to a significant degree as descendants of the 'Lost ten Tribes'. The phenomenon of this searching for their Hebrew roots, seems to show an instinctive arousal amongst “Joseph”, and can be seen as a sign of the impending redemption of all Israel.
While the 'Return to Hebrew roots', is a positive sign of the times, just how far should a person who realizes their Israelite ancestry, go? The obligations of Joseph in our times should include; Justice, Honesty, Prayer and fasting, Bible study, being a good example to others, doing good works, no sexual immorality, no substance abuse, and read carefully what the prophets tell us about our future. 1 Peter 4:7
Legally, the onus of proof is on the claimant. Proof is required that another person has an obligation. This means that even if physically someone is descended from Israel or Judah, they cannot be obligated unless there is legal proof of that. We can only look forward the great Day, when the Lord will reveal exactly who His people are, their redemption and gathering into the Promised Land. Bring it on, Lord! ”
Gal 1
King James Version (KJV)
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Gal 2
But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 05 2009,10:55) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 05 2009,01:58) hi
why the Israelits where punish so that they will not enter the sabath of God ?if there is no law ,no punnishment?
If you walk according to the ways of the Spirit then there is not law banning your actions but if you walk according to the ways of the flesh there is a law and you will be judged according to it.
Kyou never really answered my question is it ?
Hi,
God was with the Jewish people.
He was in the prophets as His Spirit.
But only Jesus offers the Spirit to all men.
Only in the grace in Jesus can the law be fulfilled.For the jewish people to reject Jesus is for their synagogue to become of satan
Hi Ed,
Gal 4.4
But when the fullness of time came, God sent forth His Son,
born of a woman, born under the Law, so that he might redeem those who were under the Law,
that we might receive the adoption as sons.
Rom 8.2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death.
So Jesus was born subject to the OT Law.
He never sinned but died as the scapegoat for our sin.
If he had been born with the Holy Spirit he would have been under the Law of the Spirit.
To all…..Law means, (forced compliance) so the law of spirit, delivers us from the law (forced compliance) of sin and death, which works through our members. The key to understanding what PAUL WAS SAYING IS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HE MEANT BY THE WORDS “WORKS” OF LAW, HE WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AT ALL, BUT SIMPLY HOW LAW “ITSELF” “WORKS”, IT WORKED THROUGH THE MEDIAM OF FEAR, BY EXTRACTING A PENEALTY ON THE VIOLATORS, JUST AS OUR PRESENT VEHICLE LAWS DO ALSO, AND BECAUSE THERE IS A APPLIED PENALTY PEOPLE FEAR THEY MIGHT GET TICKET AND A FINE SO THEY ARE DRIVEN BY THOSE FINES TO OBEY THEM, EVEN THOUGH THE LAW IS GIVEN FOR SAFTY, MOST OBEY IT BECAUSE OF THE PENALTY FOR BREAKING IT.
The same thing happened with Isreal at mount sini where God’s loving commandments were turned into “LAWS”. Just read Ex 20:20, it’s all there just read it, it was through the mediam of fear that they (COMANDMENTS) were given, so the “FEAR OF GOD” WOULD BE, BEFORE THERE FACES THAT, “THEY SIN NOT”, IT HAD NOTHIBG TO DO WITH THERE HEARTS BEING MADE RIGHT, AT ALL.
But no matter how much they tried to obey those Laws through (forced obediance), and even when it worked somewhat on them, it could “NEVER” change there wicked hearts, nor make them right in their hearts, so the could never be “justified” before God.
But God gave us a new way, that has nothing to do with the law, he simply took out of us the stony (hard) hearts and gave us “soft” hearts, and that is the process of making us justified before him, and that has “nothing” to do with that old law, (forced compliance) but those under the new covenant and new living way, we are moved with the love of God which has been shed a round in their “hearts” and the law of the spirit, working in our hearts compels us to love God and one another. A COMPLETE different way, And this new way has completely delivered us from “the law of sin and death”.
Behold “all” things are lawful unto me, why, because i am not under the “law” of carnal commandments, “as (they) were”, but even though “all” things are lawful to me, not all things are profitable unto me. I live udnder “Grace” that was brought to me through my lord Jesus the christ, Paul says, ” what then shall we continue in sin, because we are under Grace”, how shall we continue in those thing we despise, any longer, seening God the father has given us, new hearts, no one with the spirit of the living God in him or her can continue to practice sins. Why because of the “law” of the spirit of life through Christ Jesus, has set us “free” from the law of sin and death. THAT IS WHY WE CRY OUT, THANKS BE TO GOD OUR FATHER FOR EVER AND EVER and Jesus our brother, who gave himself for us. Ò how blessed we are that God our Father would bring this salvation to us, and deliver us from the law of sin and death, how much he must really love us all.
ALL you who have the Spirit of the Living God in you have been delivered from death to life, and sin will not have dominance in your life, because you have been delivered from death unto life through GOD THE FATHERS SACRIFICE OF JESUS FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD.
So then there is no condemnation to any who are “in” God the Father and christ Jesus our lord.
Peace and love to you all and yours. …….gene
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