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Hi KW,
Do you have any other verses that propound such a thing as the combined spirit of man?
Ecc 12 tells us what happens when the spirit of a man leaves him.Ecclesiastes 3:21(KJV) reads:
Quote Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
This passage is one that I am trying to explain.
Romans 5:12-21(KJV) reads:
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Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
It also explains why we all must be reborn in spirit.Hi KW,
The spirit given to man affords only a few years of life but rebirth by the Spirit of the everliving God gives us a share of His eternal lifeQuote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 03 2009,14:35) Hi KW,
The spirit given to man affords only a few years of life but rebirth by the Spirit of the everliving God gives us a share of His eternal life
God does say “the wages of sin is death” and so when we live by the corrupted spirit we earn those wages but if we live by the Spirit of righteousness we will not. That sounds like what you are stating.Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 03 2009,00:19) Ecclesiastes 3:21(KJV) reads: Quote Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
This passage is one that I am trying to explain.
Romans 5:12-21(KJV) reads:
Quote
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
It also explains why we all must be reborn in spirit.Quote THE USAGE OF RUACH, SPIRIT. This Is Appendix 9 From The Companion Bible.
The word ruach occurs 389 times in the Hebrew Old Testament.
In the Authorized Version it is rendered spirit in 237 passages (and no other word is rendered spirit except neshamah, “breath”, in Job 26:4 and Proverbs 20:27. See Appendix 16).
In the remaining 152 places it is translated in 22 different ways, which are to be carefully distinguished.
[In the Revised Version ruach is rendered spirit 224 times, and in the remaining 165 passages is rendered in many different ways.]
The meaning of the word is to be deduced only from its usage.
The one root idea running through all the passages is invisible force.
As this force may be exerted in varying form, and may be manifested in divers ways, so various renderings are necessitated, corresponding thereto.
Ruach, in whatever sense it is used, always represents that which is invisible except by its manifestations. These are seen both externally to man, as well as internally within man.
As coming from God, it is the invisible origin of life.
All apart from this is death. It comes from God, and returns to God (Ecclesiastes 3:19,20).
THE INVISIBLE PART OF MAN (Psychological). Given by God at man's formation at birth, and returning to God at his death.
“Breath.” Genesis 6:17; 7:15,22. Job 9:18; 12:10; 17:1. Psalms 104:29; 135:17; 146:4. Ecclesiastes 3:19. Jeremiah 10:14; 51:17. Lamentations 4:20. Ezekiel 37:5,6,8,9,10. Habakkuk 2:19. Zechariah 12:1.
“spirit.” Genesis 6:3. Numbers 16:22; 27:16. Job 27:3; 34:14. Psalms 31:5; 104:30. Ecclesiastes 3:21,21; 8:8,8; 11:5; 12:7. Isaiah 42:5.
“Wind.” Ezekiel 37:9,9.
CT……….I agree GOD is the (source) of (ALL) Spirit (intellect) He can remove it , change it, and give it. All spirit (intellect) has it's original source from GOD. Spirit is the invisible part of mans Psychological mind. It composes His intellect. It is the power that animates the body and is the life of it. All that has life has Spirit in it, or it can not live. IMO
gene
Quote (Gene @ Feb. 22 2009,03:52) To All…..>I would like to start this topic off by is saying (THE) Law the same as when we say Law by it self in scripture. The definite article does not appear in many places in Paul writing of Galatians and Romans and by removing this definite article does it effect our understanding of what Paul was saying. For instance we read in Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of (the) law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by (the) works of (the) law: for by (the) works of (the) law shall no flesh be justified. Now if we read the in the Geek translations it reads…..> having known that not is a man made right from (works) of (Law) but through trust of Jesus Christ, and we in Christ Jesus trusted, that we might be made right from trust of Christ and not from (works) of (Law) that from (works) of (Law) not will be made right all flesh.
Notice the definite articles are not in the original Greek translations. This does greatly alter the texts, because the Definite Article is specific to a set of Laws (the ten commandments) but when it is removed, then Law by it self is in a general sense and means the way law works and law works through forced compliance through the medium of fear of the consequences of disobedience to it. Fear gives the law its power and if a person is driven to obey through fear they are not made right in their heart, they can have an outward appearance of righteousness, but inwardly are not right and therefore are not Justified before GOD. I believe this is what Paul was driving at. It had nothing to do with the Ten Commandments being done away with at all but just they (WAY) we Keep them. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………….gene
The Law was written to condemn mankind NOT save it.Jesus Christ is our Salvation…the law are Laws based on WORKS.
What does this mean? Only through the faith of Jesus Christ can we be saved unto God…
The Law teaches us what we are being SAVED FROM.
WHY?
Because Jesus COMPLETES the Law.
How?
well let me give you an example.
—————————————————The Law – You can stone a child to death if he disrespects his parents.
This condemns the flesh.
Jesus Died on the cross so that all our sins died with him, so we no longer can be condemned for our sins, since Jesus was already condemned for them.
So Jesus already paid the condemning….
So instead of stoning the child…we would now, forgive and forget since Jesus already paid the price for his sin.
This is how Jesus fufills the law.
The Law Condemns us, Jesus Saves us.
——————————————-Now does this mean we can murder people…and Jesus will forgive us?
Absolutely
If your a child of God in the name of Jesus Christ will you murder people?
Absolutely Not
If you do it by accident or weakness in the spirit, will you be forgiven?
AbsolutelyBut don't think you can purposely sin knowing if you pray to Jesus it'll be forgiven, because he knows everyone's heart.
This is my belief.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 03 2009,19:54) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 03 2009,14:35) Hi KW,
The spirit given to man affords only a few years of life but rebirth by the Spirit of the everliving God gives us a share of His eternal life
God does say “the wages of sin is death” and so when we live by the corrupted spirit we earn those wages but if we live by the Spirit of righteousness we will not. That sounds like what you are stating.
Hi KW,
The body of man comes from the soil of earth and returns to that soil. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.The spirit given to men is not corrupt . It belongs to God and returns to him at our death.[ecc12]
The time given is rarely over 100 years to find the fountain of eternal life in Christ.[jn7]
The plan of God is the salvation of the soul [1Peter1], designed to house God's Spirit but needing to be cleansed and filled.
You must be reborn from above.
To All………..”the soul that sins (IT) shall die”, (all have sinned) and come short of the Glory of God. Looks like all souls must die and they all do die when the bodies dies, the soul dies with it. And it stays dead until GOD creates another body and adds Spirit back into it and then Man again becomes a living Soul, Just like He did in the beginning. Spirit + Body = a SOUL. We are souls because we are Spirit + a Body. No where does it say GOD added SOUL into a BODY that had Spirit already, No where does it say GOD took a body and a soul and added Spirit into it. The teaching of a separate (SOUL) that goes off into (where ever) is another confused teaching of Mystery Religion, we are told to come out of Her that we recieve not of her plagues. IMO
peace and love …………………….gene
To All…………This post is about LAW, Lets start by getting some input on what is a LAW. I define it as an ENFORCED rule or regulation such as a statue (given power to be enforced on people). Simply put (Law) is forced compliance. Remember we are not talking about (THE) Law (as the ten commandments) but Just what is LAW itself any LAW any where. Once we understand that then much of what Paul was saying in Galatians and Romans will make very clear since to us all. Were talking about (WORKS OF LAW) is that not the way LAW WORKS, that is the issue of Paul. IMO
gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 03 2009,21:16) G,
Where did you find this definition?
In Websters or among your dogmas?
That was a nice reply, or was it? A spirit of condemnation?Hi CON,
If he can show this definition is from a reputable source good on him but it seems shonky to me.
Shonky foundations make for unstable buildings.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 03 2009,22:54) Hi CON, Nice is not helpful to those who preach their own ideas as truth.
And your idea's?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 03 2009,23:06) Hi CON,
If he can show this definition is from a reputable source good on him but it seems shonky to me.
Shonky foundations make for unstable buildings.
Dubious or not, they are his beliefs.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 03 2009,22:25) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 03 2009,19:54) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 03 2009,14:35) Hi KW,
The spirit given to man affords only a few years of life but rebirth by the Spirit of the everliving God gives us a share of His eternal life
God does say “the wages of sin is death” and so when we live by the corrupted spirit we earn those wages but if we live by the Spirit of righteousness we will not. That sounds like what you are stating.
Hi KW,
The body of man comes from the soil of earth and returns to that soil. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.The spirit given to men is not corrupt . It belongs to God and returns to him at our death.[ecc12]
The time given is rarely over 100 years to find the fountain of eternal life in Christ.[jn7]
The plan of God is the salvation of the soul [1Peter1], designed to house God's Spirit but needing to be cleansed and filled.
You must be reborn from above.
I answered your post in the thread about the Holy Spirit located in the Truth and Tradition forum.I was somewhat confused by your apparently mixing two conversations we are having but I hope that will be straightened out over time.
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 04 2009,19:49) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 03 2009,23:06) Hi CON,
If he can show this definition is from a reputable source good on him but it seems shonky to me.
Shonky foundations make for unstable buildings.
Dubious or not, they are his beliefs.
Hi CON,
Useful beliefs align with scripture.Addition and subtraction from what is written is fraught with problems.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 04 2009,16:16) G,
Where did you find this definition?
In Websters or among your dogmas?
Nick………if it is a dogmas then produce your dogmas but to criticize without any explanation, produces (NOTHING) so Produce you ideas of what you think the word LAW means then . After all this is what the thread is supposed to be about. I expressed mine let see your, or perhaps you have none , in that case wouldn't it be better if you kept you ignorance to yourself, rather then criticize what you know nothing about. IMOgene
To All the word Law is a very complex word indeed, but my basic understanding is when a governing authority passes a set of rules and gives enforcement of them over people. AS traffic Laws or for that matter any other Law, it is a statue that seem to require enforcement of some kind if it is a true (Law )In my opinion. If enforcement is not attached to it, it is a suggestion and can be obeyed or not and no penalty can be attached to it. When GOD took His commandments and turned them into a LAW , that is when penilities were then extracted for breaking them, and so then they became LAWS, and were enforced, But forced compliance never changes the Heart as Paul brought out ” by Works of LAW” (NO FLESH WILL BE JUSTIFIED), what is (WORKS OF LAW) is it not the WAY LAW WORKS, so it is important for us to realize what LAW REALLY IS, and how it WORKS. If we understand that LAW is a forced compliance then we can easily see what Paul was talking about. He was simply saying by being FORCED (the way law WORKS), to obey Gods commandments you will not be Justified (be considered right in GOD'S eyes), Why because obedience BY the operation of LAW, does (NOT) Change the Heart of anyone. IMO
peace and love to you all…………………….gene
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