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keras,
What “end time events” do you claim that Kim C. prophesied about? From what I have heard from him, he was prophesying about events in the future but not distant end time events. Also, what do you think he said that was false?
Regarding Daniel 12:4,9…that is about the end times and I do not deny that.
Kim C did not give end time prophesies that I am aware of. I personally believe the gift of prophecy is alive and well. I also believe that there are plenty of false prophets. Those who prophecy about upcoming worldwide events that people see come to fulfillment, can really encourage the believers and can also get the attention of the unbelievers. One thing about prophecies, some things are figurative and not meant literal.
I do not have the time or inclination to find out what Kim C prophesied.
Why would I, or anyone? The Bible prophets have said it all, our future is all there for those who can overcome all the false theories and doctrines, so prevalent today.
Keras
You
None of the Early Church Fathers were prophets. They never claimed to be, they just ‘interpreted’ the Bible, in the light of their times. Which is what people still do up until today and all have been wrong.
Proved by Daniel 12:4 & 9; the Prophesies are sealed until the time of the end.
Me
The time of the end ….. This is precisely where you go astray Keras (you are not the only one) At the time of Jesus’ earthly ministry, we were already there “(at the beginning of the end of time or time)
Hebrews 1 … Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Acts 2:17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
So the last days, the end time (s), or Time OF the end, it begins at least from the time of Christ and the first apostles.
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The second ADVENT of Messiah will crown THE TIME OF THE END
MATHEW 24
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
[14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.So the last days, the end time (s), or Time OF the end, it begins at least from the time of Christ and the first apostles.,…………….
The second ADVENT of Messiah will crown THE TIME OF THE END Quote Berean.
It is illogical to think the time of the end lasted nearly 2000 years. Yes, we are to be ready for Jesus to Return at any time, but in hindsight, we see that was so we Christians would be always faithful and keep the Commandments.
The actual end times will commence with the terrible Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath, Revelation 6:12-17 and prophesied in over 100 other Bible passages.
Keras, clearly your teaching is against scripture.
God gave some prophets for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.
And you basically say:
God does not give prophets for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.
Again. I will side with what the scripture says, not what you say.
Kears……have you ever thought about this, what is the end times of a week? Does it not start after 3 1/2 days , or on a Wednesday so any time we are in the end of Wednesday we are in the latter days of the week right? Now if we believe God has established a seven thousand year time line to complete his work, before he starts over, by making all things NEW AGAIN.
THAT would put any time after 3500 years in his plan as the latter days right? Then Jesus and the Apostles down to these very days, can be considered the latter days. Remember what God said in Joel , “in the” latter days”, I shall pour forth of my Spirit upon all flesh” on the day of Pentacost that came true, God’s Spirit was at that time made available to all flesh.
The term latter days can be a little tricky. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Keras,
You said:
So Kim C, was not from God and to even listen to him is a mistake, as we DO have all the information about Gods Plans for our future in our Bibles.
And you also said this:
I do not have the time or inclination to find out what Kim C prophesied.
Why would I, or anyone? The Bible prophets have said it all, our future is all there for those who can overcome all the false theories and doctrines, so prevalent today.
I agree that the Bible contains all we need to know for salvation, to know correct doctrine, to know God better and all things that people or spirits say should be checked with the plumb line of the Bible as the Holy Spirit leads. To say that people aren’t given dreams and visions from God to share with the church nowadays does not line up with the plumb line of the Bible. You have not tested Kim C if you have no idea what he prophesied, you have simply closed your mind, it seems, to the idea that people are shown things from God regarding current or future events. You have put on your own blinders. That is not how the Bible says to “test” the spirits.
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. For many false prophets have gone out into the world.Rev 2:2 I know your deeds, your labor, and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate those who are evil, and you have tested and exposed as liars those who falsely claim to be apostles.
Let’s just say that you have not properly tested the spirit in which Kim C speaks if you do not know what he has said and therefore, you have exposed yourself as someone who proclaims a guilty judgement before a trial, so to speak. I do think it is Biblical to hear a matter before judging someone as guilty, instead of assuming someone is guilty before proving them guilty. I wouldn’t want you as a judge…just sayin’.
Keras, clearly your teaching is against scripture. Quote Proclaimer
What I said was that we have no prophets now; Psalms 74:9-11, who can prophesy about world events. There are some who can prophesy to individuals and maybe even people groups.
As the Bible consists of over a quarter of Prophecy, most unfulfilled as yet, we have plenty of information and should be carefully studying that, rather that chasing after ‘ear ticklers’.
The term latter days can be a little tricky. IMO Quote Gene Balthrop.
To God; maybe as you say, but to mankind, we have yet to experience the ‘last days’. From the Prophetic Word, we can see that dramatic events are to happen then. We will surely know we have arrived!
Let’s just say that you have not properly tested the spirit in which Kim C speaks if you do not know what he has said and therefore, you have exposed yourself as someone who proclaims a guilty judgement before a trial, so to speak. Quote Lightenup
I did look at some of Kim’s pronouncements. Typically America centered rubbish, designed to gain him fame and money; much money!
I reiterate: There is no need for any Prophet to tell us about God’s Plans for His people during the end times. It is all in our Bibles; just read and understand, or remain in the dark. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10
Keras,
You said:
I did look at some of Kim’s pronouncements. Typically America centered rubbish, designed to gain him fame and money; much money!
All I see are your opinions, please give us facts to back up your opinions.
The facts are as Written in the Bible.
It is a big mistake to believe any other source for information about our future.
Keras,
Please show us the facts in the Bible that prove that Kim C speaks rubbish designed to gain him fame and money.
Keras,
Please show us the facts in the Bible that prove that Kim C speaks rubbish designed to gain him fame and money. Quote Lightenup.
Daniel 12:4 & 9, state that the Prophetic Word is sealed and kept secret until the time of the end. Also 1 Timothy 5:3-4 says that false teachers will promote fables and will fool many people.
Kim C is dead now, so he surely didn’t make it until the time of the end.
Hi Keras
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
THESE WORDS ARE FULFILLED, BUT THE EYES OF THE MAJORITY ARE AS CLOSED …. THEY WERE DECEIVED, SEDUCED BY THE ANTICHRIST (JESUITS, CATHOLICS) WITH HIS FALSE INTERPRETATIONS OF THE PROPHECY OF DANIEL AND THE APOCALYPSE … .NOTAMELY DANIEL 9 ON THE MESSIAH WITHDRAWN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK.
keras said:
The facts are as Written in the Bible.
The Bible says that God gave some prophets for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.
Why don’t you believe that the facts are written in the Bible as you so eloquently put it?
Hi Proclaimer
I understand Keras believes that there are no more new true prophets these days ….. If that’s right, then he’s not quite wrong ….
Prophets and shepherds of the flock Isaiah 4:16
Jeremiah 23:1-2 Woe betide those shepherds who let My flock be scattered and lost. You have not watched over them, but I am watching you to punish you for your misdeeds.
James 3:1, Ezekiel 34:7-10, Jeremiah 16:17, Jeremiah 10:21
Jeremiah 23:3-4 I, Myself will gather the remnant of My sheep from all the lands to which I have dispersed them. I shall bring them back to their own Land, where they will be fruitful and increase. I will appoint shepherds, who will tend them and they will live in peace and security. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-26
This is the second Exodus, the gathering and resettling of those of His Christian people who are protected during this forthcoming fire judgement. The Lord will raise up righteous leaders for them. The Land will be fruitful and He will protect them from enemies.
Ezekiel 36:8, Ezekiel 38:8b-9, Zechariah 10:8-10
Jeremiah 23:5-6 The days are coming when a Righteous Branch will come from David’s line, a wise King, who will maintain justice. Judah and Israel will be kept safe and will live undisturbed in the Land.
The ‘days are coming’, verses 5-6 refer to a later period, the Millennium reign of Jesus.
Jeremiah 23:7-8 Therefore, the time is coming when people will no longer praise the Lord for bringing His people out of Egypt, but praise Him for gathering the descendants of the Israelites back from all the lands where He had dispersed them. They will again live on their own soil. [‘Therefore the time is coming’ means – therefore, before the Millennium the Lord will instigate the return of His people back into their inheritance.] Eze. 20:34
Jeremiah 23:9-15 Of the prophets: I am weak because of the Lord’s Holy Words. For now, the Land is full of godless people, prophet and priest alike are godless and I see their evil deeds. I see things most horrible, adulterers and hypocrites, to Me all the inhabitants of Jerusalem are like Sodom and Gomorrah. Therefore, I shall bring disaster upon them on the Day of Reckoning. Ezekiel 22:26-28, Jeremiah 14:14-16, Jeremiah 10:13-14
Jeremiah 23:16-17 Do not listen to what the so called prophets say, those who buoy you up with false hopes and give voice to their own fancies. It is not the Lord’s Words that they speak. They say to all who follow their false teachings: prosperity will be yours and no harm will befall you. Prosperity theology and rapture theories are the fancies and mistaken beliefs of many Christians today. Isaiah 50:10-11, Ezekiel 13:1-16, Jer.6:13-15
Jeremiah 23:18 For which of them have stood in the counsel of the Lord and received His Word and taken heed of it, with obedience? Psalm 74:9
A serious indictment against those end time preachers, scholars and authors, who fail to properly discern and understand the prophetic Word, yet they promulgate and make money from their own theories, ideas and incorrect teachings. Psalms 50:16-19, Isaiah 30:10, Micah 3:5-7
Jeremiah 23:19 See what a scorching wind goes out from the Lord, a furious whirlwind, that whirls around the heads of the wicked. A ‘scorching wind, a furious whirlwind’, is another description that fits a coronal mass ejection, the fire judgement that the Lord will use on His Day of vengeance and wrath. Psalms 18:7-18, Malachi 4:1
Jeremiah 23:20 The Lord’s anger will not be turned aside until He has fully accomplished His purposes. In days to come, you will truly understand. Hosea 14:9, 2 Peter 1:19
Jeremiah 23:21-22 I did not send these prophets, yet they go out with a message that is false. If only they proclaim My true message to My people and turn them from their evil ways!
Jeremiah 23:23-24 Am I a God near at hand only – do I not fill heaven and earth? Can anyone hide in some secret place and I not see them? Amos 9:1
Jeremiah 23:25-40…An indictment upon false teachers and prophets. Jeremiah 5:30-31, James 3:1
Deuteronomy 32:28-29 You are a people devoid of understanding. If only you had the wisdom to discern what your end will be! Ref: REB some verses abridged.
Keras,
Kim C has gone to be with Jesus, that doesn’t mean the words of the Lord that he has prophesied are without present and future benefit. His ministry led people to worship the LORD. That was good fruit, no?
He will take a simple Stone, “remember that Name”
“Rodger Stone” – one of Trumps greatest supporters!
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