Kathy What Do You Mean By Preexisting Sonship?

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2011,11:15) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2011,12:43) Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2011,04:59) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2011,10:50) Hi Pierre, Because it's Scripture! You really can't see the connection between Isaiah 63:2-10 and Rev.19:11-21? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj you still do not say nothing ,and now you ask me to fill you in on what I believe it means to me , are you not trying to conduct a power game? Pierre Hi Pierre, OK, I'll bite; what does it mean to you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj I did not ask to bite ,I ask you to explain and answer to my questions Pierre What question?

edj

edj

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I keep showing Isaiah 63:2-11, but you keep rejecting what these Scriptures are saying; why?

and what is your point in calling that scripture?

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ July 26 2011,06:40)

Quote (Ed J @ July 26 2011,10:32) Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2011,11:15) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2011,12:43) Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2011,04:59) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2011,10:50) Hi Pierre, Because it's Scripture! You really can't see the connection between Isaiah 63:2-10 and Rev.19:11-21? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj you still do not say nothing ,and now you ask me to fill you in on what I believe it means to me , are you not trying to conduct a power game? Pierre Hi Pierre, OK, I'll bite; what does it mean to you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj I did not ask to bite ,I ask you to explain and answer to my questions Pierre What question? edj       Quote I keep showing Isaiah 63:2-11, but you keep rejecting what these Scriptures are saying; why? edj and what is your point in calling that scripture? Pierre

Hi Pierre,

                      “The Word” is the “HolySpirit”!    
                        And “HolySpirit” is HE and I !                
                 
Rev. 19:13 He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood.
Isaiah 63:3 Their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments

Revelation 19:15 He treadeth the winepress
Isaiah 63:3 I have trodden the winepress alone

Rev.19:13 His name is called The Word of God.
Isaiah 63:11 He that put His HolySpirit within

                     But they rebelled, and vexed
                     his HolySpirit: therefore he
                     was turned to be their enemy,
                     and he fought against them.

Isaiah 63:10 I will tread down the people in mine anger  
          …and I will bring down their strength to the earth.
Revelation 19:15 Out of His mouth goeth (The Word) a sharp sword,
                              that with it He should smite the nations.

God bless
eD j (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

Your HTML Code usage screwed me all up.
I had to edit the post 4 times to fix it.

God bless
eD j (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 26 2011,15:38)

Quote (terraricca @ July 26 2011,06:40) Quote (Ed J @ July 26 2011,10:32) Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2011,11:15) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2011,12:43) Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2011,04:59) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2011,10:50) Hi Pierre, Because it's Scripture! You really can't see the connection between Isaiah 63:2-10 and Rev.19:11-21? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj you still do not say nothing ,and now you ask me to fill you in on what I believe it means to me , are you not trying to conduct a power game? Pierre Hi Pierre, OK, I'll bite; what does it mean to you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj I did not ask to bite ,I ask you to explain and answer to my questions Pierre What question? edj       Quote I keep showing Isaiah 63:2-11, but you keep rejecting what these Scriptures are saying; why? edj and what is your point in calling that scripture? Pierre Hi Pierre,                       “The Word” is the “HolySpirit”!                             And “HolySpirit” is HE and I !                                   Rev. 19:13 He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood. Isaiah 63:3 Their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments Revelation 19:15 He treadeth the winepress Isaiah 63:3 I have trodden the winepress alone Rev.19:13 His name is called The Word of God. Isaiah 63:11 He that put His HolySpirit within                      But they rebelled, and vexed                      his HolySpirit: therefore he                      was turned to be their enemy,                      and he fought against them. Isaiah 63:10 I will tread down the people in mine anger             …and I will bring down their strength to the earth. Revelation 19:15 Out of His mouth goeth (The Word) a sharp sword,                               that with it He should smite the nations. God bless eD j (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

Isa 63:11 Then his people recalled the days of old,
the days of Moses and his people—
where is he who brought them through the sea,
with the shepherd of his flock?
Where is he who set
his Holy Spirit among them,
Isa 63:12 who sent his glorious arm of power
to be at Moses’ right hand,
who divided the waters before them,
to gain for himself everlasting renown,
Isa 63:13 who led them through the depths?
Like a horse in open country,
they did not stumble;
Isa 63:14 like cattle that go down to the plain,
they were given rest by the Spirit of the LORD.
This is how you guided your people
to make for yourself a glorious name

those scriptures are related to what God did to the Israelite at the time of Moses and the crossing of the red sea,

you are looking for words and so make the wrong understanding,

it does not say that the holy spirit is THE WORD OF GOD,or Christ ,

you think you know what the holy spirit is but I see you do not,

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ July 26 2011,09:23)

Quote (Ed J @ July 26 2011,15:38) Quote (terraricca @ July 26 2011,06:40) Quote (Ed J @ July 26 2011,10:32) Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2011,11:15) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2011,12:43) Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2011,04:59) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2011,10:50) Hi Pierre, Because it's Scripture! You really can't see the connection between Isaiah 63:2-10 and Rev.19:11-21? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj you still do not say nothing ,and now you ask me to fill you in on what I believe it means to me , are you not trying to conduct a power game? Pierre Hi Pierre, OK, I'll bite; what does it mean to you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj I did not ask to bite ,I ask you to explain and answer to my questions Pierre What question? edj       Quote I keep showing Isaiah 63:2-11, but you keep rejecting what these Scriptures are saying; why? edj and what is your point in calling that scripture? Pierre Hi Pierre,                       “The Word” is the “HolySpirit”!                             And “HolySpirit” is HE and I !                                   Rev. 19:13 He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood. Isaiah 63:3 Their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments Revelation 19:15 He treadeth the winepress Isaiah 63:3 I have trodden the winepress alone Rev.19:13 His name is called The Word of God. Isaiah 63:11 He that put His HolySpirit within                      But they rebelled, and vexed                      his HolySpirit: therefore he                      was turned to be their enemy,                      and he fought against them. Isaiah 63:10 I will tread down the people in mine anger             …and I will bring down their strength to the earth. Revelation 19:15 Out of His mouth goeth (The Word) a sharp sword,                               that with it He should smite the nations. God bless eD j (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj Isa 63:11 Then his people recalled the days of old, the days of Moses and his people— where is he who brought them through the sea, with the shepherd of his flock? Where is he who set his Holy Spirit among them, Isa 63:12 who sent his glorious arm of power to be at Moses’ right hand, who divided the waters before them, to gain for himself everlasting renown, Isa 63:13 who led them through the depths? Like a horse in open country, they did not stumble; Isa 63:14 like cattle that go down to the plain, they were given rest by the Spirit of the LORD. This is how you guided your people to make for yourself a glorious name those scriptures are related to what God did to the Israelite at the time of Moses and the crossing of the red sea, you are looking for words and so make the wrong understanding, it does not say th at the holy spirit is THE WORD OF GOD,or Christ , you think you know what the holy spirit is but I see you do not, Pierre

Hi Pierre,

A. “The Witness” of Jesus
B. “The Word” of God

Notice how “TWO” are mentioned here…   (doesn't this hold any weight with you?)

Rev.20:4: And I saw the souls of them that were beheaded
for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither
had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands. (Rev.20:4)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 26 2011,17:21)

Quote (terraricca @ July 26 2011,09:23) Quote (Ed J @ July 26 2011,15:38) Quote (terraricca @ July 26 2011,06:40) Quote (Ed J @ July 26 2011,10:32) Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2011,11:15) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2011,12:43) Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2011,04:59) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2011,10:50) Hi Pierre, Because it's Scripture! You really can't see the connection between Isaiah 63:2-10 and Rev.19:11-21? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj you still do not say nothing ,and now you ask me to fill you in on what I believe it means to me , are you not trying to conduct a power game? Pierre Hi Pierre, OK, I'll bite; what does it mean to you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj I did not ask to bite ,I ask you to explain and answer to my questions Pierre What question? edj       Quote I keep showing Isaiah 63:2-11, but you keep rejecting what these Scriptures are saying; why? edj and what is your point in calling that scripture? Pierre Hi Pierre,                       “The Word” is the “HolySpirit”!                             And “HolySpirit” is HE and I !                                   Rev. 19:13 He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood. Isaiah 63:3 Their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments Revelation 19:15 He treadeth the winepress Isaiah 63:3 I have trodden the winepress alone Rev.19:13 His name is called The Word of God. Isaiah 63:11 He that put His HolySpirit within                      But they rebelled, and vexed                      his HolySpirit: therefore he                      was turned to be their enemy,                      and he fought against them. Isaiah 63:10 I will tread down the people in mine anger             …and I will bring down their strength to the earth. Revelation 19:15 Out of His mouth goeth (The Word) a sharp sword,                               that with it He should smite the nations. God bless eD j (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj Isa 63:11 Then his people recalled the days of old, the days of Moses and his people— where is he who brought them through the sea, with the shepherd of his flock? Where is he who set his Holy Spirit among them, Isa 63:12 who sent his glorious arm of power to be at Moses’ right hand, who divided the waters before them, to gain for himself everlasting renown, Isa 63:13 who led them through the depths? Like a horse in open country, they did not stumble; Isa 63:14 like cattle that go down to the plain, they were given rest by the Spirit of the LORD. This is how you guided your people to make for yourself a glorious name t hose scriptures are related to what God did to the Israelite at the time of Moses and the crossing of the red sea, you are looking for words and so make the wrong understanding, it does not say that the holy spirit is THE WORD OF GOD,or Christ , you think you know what the holy spirit is but I see you do not, Pierre Hi Pierre, A. “The Witness” of Jesus B. “The Word” of God Notice how “TWO” are mentioned here…   (doesn't this hold any weight with you?) Rev.20:4: And I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands. (Rev.20:4) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

Rev 20:4 I (John)saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge(144K). And I saw the souls of those(all other believers) who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word(scriptures) of God. They had not worshiped the beast (Satan org on earth)or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands(not support it mentally or physically). They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.(the Sabbath of Christ)

so I do not see in that scipture what you see

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2011,10:31)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 25 2011,11:10) Hi Ed, I asked you a direct question.  Please answer it.  Do you also have to add the word “IN” into 1:14? Hi Mike, 1) John 1:14 And “The Word”(HolySpirit) was made flesh, and dwelt among us (Matt. 1:23), (and we beheld his(HolySpirit's) glory, the glory as of the only begotten(Jesus Christ) of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So the answer to my question is “YES, Mike.  In order for my understanding to work, the Holy Spirit, which IS God Himself, did not BECOME FLESH Himself, but came to be IN someone who WAS flesh – namely Jesus Christ.”

Thanks for sharing your understanding, Ed.  But I'm happy taking the words of the scriptures as they are. And I can't support your understanding knowing that scriptural words and meanings must be altered for it to be the truth.

peace and love to you my friend,
mike

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

                  You need to get yourself a real  bible; the “AKJV Bible”.

Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (in the AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.
Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue(that is English) will he speak to this people.

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 26 2011,13:15)

Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2011,10:31) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 25 2011,11:10) Hi Ed, I asked you a direct question.  Please answer it.  Do you also have to add the word “IN” into 1:14? Hi Mike, 1) John 1:14 And “The Word”(HolySpirit) was made flesh, and dwelt among us (Matt. 1:23), (and we beheld his(HolySpirit's) glory, the glory as of the only begotten(Jesus Christ) of the Father,) full of grace and truth. So the answer to my question is “YES, Mike.  In order for my understanding to work, the Holy Spirit, which IS God Himself, did not BECOME FLESH Himself, but came to be IN someone who WAS flesh – namely Jesus Christ.” Thanks for sharing your understanding, Ed.  But I'm happy taking the words of the scriptures as they are.  And I can't support your understanding knowing that scriptural words and meanings must be altered for it to be the truth. peace and love to you my friend, mike

Hi Mike,

The exceedingly  L O N G  sentence that you wrote (thinking it is my belief) is worded incorrectly.
Here is another Scripture for you to consider: that “The Word”, which is God, becomes flesh…

Rev.21:2-3 And I John saw the HOLY CITY=117, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven,
prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold,
the tabernacle of God is with men (Is.60:14), and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people,
AND GOD HIMSELF=117 shall be with them, and be “their God”=86 (YHVH=63).
                                                                                (86=[אלהים] ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63)

See how it's written “and God himself”; compare with Immanuel (God with us).    <– Any comments?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 26 2011,08:15)

Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2011,10:31) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 25 2011,11:10) Hi Ed, I asked you a direct question.  Please answer it.  Do you also have to add the word “IN” into 1:14? Hi Mike, 1) John 1:14 And “The Word”(HolySpirit) was made flesh, and dwelt among us (Matt. 1:23), (and we beheld his(HolySpirit's) glory, the glory as of the only begotten(Jesus Christ) of the Father,) full of grace and truth. So the answer to my question is “YES, Mike.  In order for my understanding to work, the Holy Spirit, which IS God Himself, did not BECOME FLESH Himself, but came to be IN someone who WAS flesh – namely Jesus Christ.” Thanks for sharing your understanding, Ed.  But I'm happy taking the words of the scriptures as they are.  And I can't support your understanding knowing that scriptural words and meanings must be altered for it to be the truth. peace and love to you my friend, mike

Mike Boll,

What do I mean when I write “The apples were made pie”?

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 26 2011,20:29)

Hi Pierre,                    You need to get yourself a real  bible; the “AKJV Bible”. Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (in the AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever. Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue(that is English) will he speak to this people. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

Ps 12:6 The words of the LORD(scriptures) are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Ps 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever(confirmation that God will protect his scriptures for all generation).KJV

Pr 3:1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
Pr 3:2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
Pr 3:3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:
Pr 3:4 So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.
Pr 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Pr 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Pr 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
Pr 3:8 It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.
Pr 3:9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
Pr 3:10 So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.
Pr 3:11 My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:
Pr 3:12 For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
Pr 3:13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
Pr 3:14 For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.
Pr 3:15 She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.
Pr 3:16 Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour.
Pr 3:17 Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace.
Pr 3:18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.
Pr 3:19 The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.
Pr 3:20 By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew.
Pr 3:21 My son, let not them depart from thine eyes: keep sound wisdom and discretion:
Pr 3:22 So shall they be life unto thy soul, and grace to thy neck.
Pr 3:23 Then shalt thou walk in thy way safely, and thy foot shall not stumble.
Pr 3:24 When thou liest down, thou shalt not be afraid: yea, thou shalt lie down, and thy sleep shall be sweet. KJV

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue( should be more like Greek to me) will he speak to this people.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Isa 28:14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. KJV

ed, you never follow scriptures you add or subtract from it

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2011,21:03)

Hi Mike, The exceedingly  L O N G  sentence that you wrote (thinking it is my belief) is worded incorrectly.

Then set me straight on the matter instead of imitating Paladin, Ed.  Did God HIMSELF become flesh and have the glory of His own only begotten?

Or did God come to be IN someone who was flesh?

Which is your understanding?

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ July 25 2011,22:49)

Mike Boll, What do I mean when I write “The apples were made pie”?

Hi Kerwin,

Well, first I would think you were Pierre trying to say “the apples were made INTO pie” with his broken English.  

But your sentence as is, is not a proper sentence.  Let's use one that is:

Arnold Swartzenegger BECAME the Governor of California.

Arnold Swartzenegger CAME TO BE IN the Governor of California.

Do you see the difference Kerwin?  Can you see how adding one little word changes the whole meaning of the sentence?

Now, if 1:14 made no sense without the “IN”, then I would look into your claims.  But the fact that it makes PERFECT sense without the “IN”, (just like my first sentence above), means there is no reason to go rewriting a scripture that makes perfect sense JUST AS IT IS, and is supported by many other scriptures JUST AS IT IS.  

peace,
mike

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2011,08:25)

Quote (kerwin @ July 25 2011,22:49) Mike Boll, What do I mean when I write “The apples were made pie”? Hi Kerwin, Well, first I would think you were Pierre trying to say “the apples were made INTO pie” with his broken English.   But your sentence as is, is not a proper sentence.  Let's use one that is: Arnold Swartzenegger BECAME the Governor of California. Arnold Swartzenegger CAME TO BE IN the Governor of California. Do you see the difference Kerwin?  Can you see how adding one little word changes the whole meaning of the sentence? Now, if 1:14 made no sense without the “IN”, then I would look into your claims.  But the fact that it makes PERFECT sense without the “IN”, (just like my first sentence above), means there is no reason to go rewriting a scripture that makes perfect sense JUST AS IT IS, and is supported by many other scriptures JUST AS IT IS.   peace, mike

Mike,

John was written in common Greek and not English.

M.S, word does not indicate a grammar error but it has limited abilities.

Do you believe “flesh” is a position the Word came to fill like Arnold Swartzenegger came to fill the position of governor?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2011,13:15)

Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2011,21:03) Hi Mike, The exceedingly  L O N G  sentence that you wrote (thinking it is my belief) is worded incorrectly. Then set me straight on the matter instead of imitating Paladin, Ed.  Did God HIMSELF become flesh and have the glory of His own only begotten? Or did God come to be IN someone who was flesh? Which is your understanding? mike

Hi Mike,

Did you not read my posts?   …Quit using incorrect wording!
Faulty theology and incorrect wording, I cannot agree to; sorry.

God cannot be isolated to only one place as the faulty word structures
you are trying to thrust upon me would suggest. (No indefinite article in John 1:1!)

“The Word”(HolySpirit) became flesh. (John 1:14)   …and
“The Word”(HolySpirit) becomes flesh again and again. (1 John 2:14)

Did you not compare the wording to Rev.2:3 as I suggested?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

edj

if you do not answer my quotes then it become useless for me to quote you

pierre

[kerwin]

Quote (kerwin @ July 27 2011,09:05)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2011,08:25) Quote (kerwin @ July 25 2011,22:49) Mike Boll, What do I mean when I write “The apples were made pie”? Hi Kerwin, Well, first I would think you were Pierre trying to say “the apples were made INTO pie” with his broken English.   But your sentence as is, is not a proper sentence.  Let's use one that is: Arnold Swartzenegger BECAME the Governor of California. Arnold Swartzenegger CAME TO BE IN the Governor of California. Do you see the difference Kerwin?  Can you see how adding one little word changes the whole meaning of the sentence? Now, if 1:14 made no sense without the “IN”, then I would look into your claims.  But the fact that it makes PERFECT sense without the “IN”, (just like my first sentence above), means there is no reason to go rewriting a scripture that makes perfect sense JUST AS IT IS, and is supported by many other scriptures JUST AS IT IS.   peace, mike Mike, John was written in common Greek and not English. M.S, word does not indicate a grammar error but it has limited abilities. Do you believe “flesh” is a position the Word came to fill like Arnold Swartzenegger  came to fill the position of governor?

Mike,

I have done a little research and have found a couple of sites that may explain what I am getting at metter.

Here for you to examine is an excerpt from the Tinitarian site which like you believes in the preexistence of Christ.

Quote (www.churchgrowth.cc/Word_became_flesh.htm @ July 27)

John 1:14 Verse 14. And the Word was made flesh. The word flesh, here, is evidently used to denote human nature or man. See Mt 16:17; 19:5; 24:22; Lu 3:6; Ro 1:3; 9:5. The “Word” was made man. This is commonly expressed by saying that he became incarnate. When we say that a being becomes incarnate, we mean that one of a higher order than man, and of a different nature, assumes the appearance of man or becomes a man. Here it is meant that “the Word,” or the second person of the Trinity, whom John had just proved to be equal with God, became a man, or was united with the man Jesus of Nazareth, so that it might be said that he was made flesh.

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ July 27 2011,15:48)

edj if you do not answer my quotes then it become useless for me to quote you pierre

Hi Pierre,

I'm very familiar with Scriptures. So until YOU declare what your point is,
we are just left to guessing? I just wait until you say what’s on YOUR mind.

No sweat
eD j (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ July 26 2011,21:05)

Mike, John was written in common Greek and not English.

Yes Kerwin.  And in the common Greek, 1:14 says the Word came to BE flesh, not came to BE IN flesh.  Am I right?

Quote (kerwin @ July 26 2011,21:05)

Do you believe “flesh” is a position the Word came to fill like Arnold Swartzenegger  came to fill the position of governor?

Have you ever voted someone into the position of “flesh”?    No, I don't believe that, Kerwin.  In fact, I find it hard to believe the lengths to which you will go to maintain your flawed doctrine.  I believe that the Word, who was a spirit being in the form of God, WAS MADE into a flesh and blood being to fulfill God's plan.

Kerwin, WHO had the glory of an only begotten from the Father?

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 26 2011,22:44)

“The Word”(HolySpirit) became flesh. (John 1:14)

So the whole time Jesus was on earth, God was without His Holy Spirit? He could not have filled John the Baptist with the Holy Spirit because that Spirit was not spirit any longer, for it had BECOME FLESH?

Is that it?

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