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[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2012,12:01)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2012,18:35) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2012,09:45) bod Quote The Christians promised to eat the flesh and drink the blood of Christ if they do this to the dead Christ they are vultures if they do this with the living Christ they are not wrong answer Christ was only dead for a fraction of time so this is not the right answer ,so try again, but it as to be based on scriptures because those words comes out of the bible , Pierre Yes, and you believe that Christ being dead for a tiny fraction of time gave you eternal salvation, right? bod were you get those believes ?? this is not a sacrifice for deliverance,or salvation , and you told me you were Christian before you got to be a Muslim ?? what kind of Christian were you ?? or did you really were one I mean a true one I do not think so , Pierre

Pierre why was Christ crucified?

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2012,23:07)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2012,12:01) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2012,18:35) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2012,09:45) bod Quote The Christians promised to eat the flesh and drink the blood of Christ if they do this to the dead Christ they are vultures if they do this with the living Christ they are not wrong answer Christ was only dead for a fraction of time so this is not the right answer ,so try again, but it as to be based on scriptures because those words comes out of the bible , Pierre Yes, and you believe that Christ being dead for a tiny fraction of time gave you eternal salvation, right? bod were you get those believes ?? this is not a sacrifice for deliverance,or salvation , and you told me you were Christian before you got to be a Muslim ?? what kind of Christian were you ?? or did you really were one I mean a true one I do not think so , Pierre Pierre why was Christ crucified?

Bod

So you do not know ?

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2012,11:35)

Yes, and you believe that Christ being dead for a tiny fraction of time gave you eternal salvation, right?

Hi BD,

Christ was dead for three days and three nights. (see Mark 8:31)

B'shem
YHVH

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2012,16:07)

Pierre why was Christ crucified?

Hi BD,

“if we believe on [YHVH] that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.” (Rom.4:24-25)

B'shem
YHVH

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2012,02:40)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2012,16:07)   Pierre why was Christ crucified? Hi BD, “if we believe on [YHVH] that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.” (Rom.4:24-25) B'shem YHVH

Oh I believe that Jesus was raised from the dead and delivered by God.

Jesus said “let the dead bury the dead” and “the flesh profiteth nothing”

The Quran says clearly:

Surah 4

157 That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
158 Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
159 And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-

[Ed J]

Hi BD, so you don't believe Jesus, do you?

Luke 18:31-34 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem,
and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them,
neither knew they the things which were spoken.

B'shem
YHVH

[Ed J]

Hi BD, you take one verse out of a 'book of fraud' over many “Eyewitness Accounts”?  …NOT SMART!

Mark 8:31 And [Jesus] began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected
of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

B'shem
YHVH

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2012,10:16)

Hi BD, you take one verse out of a 'book of fraud' over many “Eyewitness Accounts”?  …NOT SMART! Mark 8:31 And [Jesus] began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. B'shem YHVH

Is Jesus the son of Man or the son of God?

[Ed J]

Hi BD, both!

                        Jesus lineage illustrated (as per the bible)

“Son of Man”: 25%; Mary's mother's lineage was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5, 1:36)
“Son of Man”: 25%: Mary's father's lineage was (Judah) through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31)
“Son of God”: 50%: Jesus' Father was the “HolySpirit”; NOT Joseph! (Mathew 1:18 / Mathew 1:20 / Luke 1:35)

Birth: Jesus was 50% HolySpirit(God)(Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35), 25% Levite(Priest) and 25% Judah(King)!
Baptism by John the baptizer, Jesus was filled with the HolySpirit(God) beyond measure! (John 3:34 / John 1:14)

Here is why Jesus is called both the “Son of Man” and the “Son of God”…

                   Mother         Father
                    Mary         HolySpirit
                     50%           50%
                         \              /
                           \          /
                             Jesus
                            /        \
                          /            \        
                        /                \
              Son of Man     Son of God
             (Mark 6:3)        (Luke 1:35)

B'shem
YHVH

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2012,14:01)

Hi BD, both!                         Jesus lineage illustrated (as per the bible) “Son of Man”: 25%; Mary's mother's lineage was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5, 1:36) “Son of Man”: 25%: Mary's father's lineage was (Judah) through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31) “Son of God”: 50%: Jesus' Father was the “HolySpirit”; NOT Joseph! (Mathew 1:18 / Mathew 1:20 / Luke 1:35) Birth: Jesus was 50% HolySpirit(God)(Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35), 25% Levite(Priest) and 25% Judah(King)! Baptism by John the baptizer, Jesus was filled with the HolySpirit(God) beyond measure! (John 3:34 / John 1:14) Here is why Jesus is called both the “Son of Man” and the “Son of God”…                    Mother         Father                     Mary         HolySpirit                      50%           50%                          \              /                            \          /                              Jesus                             /        \                           /            \                                 /                \               Son of Man     Son of God              (Mark 6:3)        (Luke 1:35) B'shem YHVH

Why did Jesus speak of the Son of Man in the third person? Notice he didn't say I have to do this he said The son of man had to.

When he spoke to God he didn't say Father take this cup from the son of man, he said Father take this cup from me, right?

I'm just saying that using a general term lik son of man could mean that Jesus was speaking of himself on some occasions and speaking of others on another occasion

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

You ignore a lot of Scripture; right?

B'shem
YHVH

[KangarooJack]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2012,14:56)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2012,14:01) Hi BD, both!                         Jesus lineage illustrated (as per the bible) “Son of Man”: 25%; Mary's mother's lineage was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5, 1:36) “Son of Man”: 25%: Mary's father's lineage was (Judah) through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31) “Son of God”: 50%: Jesus' Father was the “HolySpirit”; NOT Joseph! (Mathew 1:18 / Mathew 1:20 / Luke 1:35) Birth: Jesus was 50% HolySpirit(God)(Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35), 25% Levite(Priest) and 25% Judah(King)! Baptism by John the baptizer, Jesus was filled with the HolySpirit(God) beyond measure! (John 3:34 / John 1:14) Here is why Jesus is called both the “Son of Man” and the “Son of God”…                    Mother         Father                     Mary         HolySpirit                      50%           50%                          \              /                            \          /                              Jesus                             /        \                           /            \                                 /                \               Son of Man     Son of God              (Mark 6:3)        (Luke 1:35) B'shem YHVH Why did Jesus speak of the Son of Man in the third person? Notice he didn't say I have to do this he said The son of man had to. When he spoke to God he didn't say Father take this cup from the son of man, he said Father take this cup from me, right? I'm just saying that using a general term lik son of man could mean that Jesus was speaking of himself on some occasions and speaking of others on another occasion

Jesus referred to the Son of Man in the third person because He did NOT seek the glory that was associated with the title.

He came as a humble servant.

KJ

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 07 2012,06:05)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 06 2012,14:56) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2012,14:01) Hi BD, both!                         Jesus lineage illustrated (as per the bible) “Son of Man”: 25%; Mary's mother's lineage was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5, 1:36) “Son of Man”: 25%: Mary's father's lineage was (Judah) through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31) “Son of God”: 50%: Jesus' Father was the “HolySpirit”; NOT Joseph! (Mathew 1:18 / Mathew 1:20 / Luke 1:35) Birth: Jesus was 50% HolySpirit(God)(Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35), 25% Levite(Priest) and 25% Judah(King)! Baptism by John the baptizer, Jesus was filled with the HolySpirit(God) beyond measure! (John 3:34 / John 1:14) Here is why Jesus is called both the “Son of Man” and the “Son of God”…                    Mother         Father                     Mary         HolySpirit                      50%           50%                          \              /                            \          /                              Jesus                             /        \                           /            \                                 /                \               Son of Man     Son of God              (Mark 6:3)        (Luke 1:35) B'shem YHVH Why did Jesus speak of the Son of Man in the third person? Notice he didn't say I have to do this he said The son of man had to. When he spoke to God he didn't say Father take this cup from the son of man, he said Father take this cup from me, right? I'm just saying that using a general term lik son of man could mean that Jesus was speaking of himself on some occasions and speaking of others on another occasion Jesus referred to the Son of Man in the third person because He did NOT seek the glory that was associated with the title. He came as a humble servant. KJ

What Glory was associated with the title?

Job 25:6
How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?

Psalm 146:3
Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

[KangarooJack]

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What Glory was associated with the title? Job 25:6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm? Psalm 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

Not you too? You put credence in the words of Bildad whose advice God condemned?

Your use of Ps. 146:3 is misleading. You ignore that the term “son of man” was exalted to glory status in the person of the Messiah. The title receives “glory and honor” in the person of the Messiah (Hebrews 2:6-9).

Oh wait a minute…I forgot…any scripture which contradicts your paradigm is “corrupt.” I guess there is no reason to continue talking to you for you have already decided for us which scriptures are true and which are not.

KJ

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 07 2012,08:57)

Quote What Glory was associated with the title? Job 25:6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm? Psalm 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. Not you too? You put credence in the words of Bildad whose advice God condemned? Your use of Ps. 146:3 is misleading. You ignore that the term “son of man” was exalted to glory status in the person of the Messiah. The title receives “glory and honor” in the person of the Messiah (Hebrews 2:6-9). Oh wait a minute…I forgot…any scripture which contradicts your paradigm is “corrupt.” I guess there is no reason to continue talking to you for you have already decided for us which scriptures are true and which are not. KJ

Hebrews 2:6-7 is not exclusively about Christ but man in general who was put in charge of the earth.

Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

In regards to the rest of the verses 8-9 All men still taste death don't they?

[KangarooJack]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2012,11:22)

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 07 2012,08:57) Quote What Glory was associated with the title? Job 25:6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm? Psalm 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. Not you too? You put credence in the words of Bildad whose advice God condemned? Your use of Ps. 146:3 is misleading. You ignore that the term “son of man” was exalted to glory status in the person of the Messiah. The title receives “glory and honor” in the person of the Messiah (Hebrews 2:6-9). Oh wait a minute…I forgot…any scripture which contradicts your paradigm is “corrupt.” I guess there is no reason to continue talking to you for you have already decided for us which scriptures are true and which are not. KJ Hebrews 2:6-7 is not exclusively about Christ but man in general who was put in charge of the earth. Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. In regards to the rest of the verses 8-9 All men still taste death don't they?

Hebrews 2:6-7 applies the Psalm about man in general to Christ just as chapter 1 applies Solomon's name “son” to Christ.

All titles are exalted in Christ whether it be the title “Son of God” or “Son of Man.”

KJ

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 07 2012,13:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2012,11:22) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 07 2012,08:57) Quote What Glory was associated with the title? Job 25:6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm? Psalm 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. Not you too? You put credence in the words of Bildad whose advice God condemned? Your use of Ps. 146:3 is misleading. You ignore that the term “son of man” was exalted to glory status in the person of the Messiah. The title receives “glory and honor” in the person of the Messiah (Hebrews 2:6-9). Oh wait a minute…I forgot…any scripture which contradicts your paradigm is “corrupt.” I guess there is no reason to continue talking to you for you have already decided for us which scriptures are true and which are not. KJ Hebrews 2:6-7 is not exclusively about Christ but man in general who was put in charge of the earth. Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. In regards to the rest of the verses 8-9 All men still taste death don't they? Hebrews 2:6-7 applies the Psalm about man in general to Christ just as chapter 1 applies Solomon's name “son” to Christ. All titles are exalted in Christ whether it be the title “Son of God” or “Son of Man.” KJ

Believe me I really Love Jesus but why are you inserting all this extra meaning that is not scriptural.

Where does the scriptures say “son” has a different meaning pertaining to Jesus?

[KangarooJack]

BD said:

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Believe me I really Love Jesus but why are you inserting all this extra meaning that is not scriptural. Where does the scriptures say “son” has a different meaning pertaining to Jesus?

Read the text of Hebrews 1.

Did the name “son” in reference to David or Solomon call for the angels to worship them? Answer: No!

Does the name “son” in reference to Christ call for the angels to worship Him? Answer: Yes!

The Davidic throne was earthly in nature in David and Solomon but became a heavenly throne in the person of Christ. In Christ the Davidic throne became equivalent to session at the right hand of God.

The Jesus you “love” is NOT the Jesus of scripture. Oh wait…I keep forgetting that any scripture that is out of line with your paradigm is “corrupt.”

KJ

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 07 2012,14:19)

BD said: Quote Believe me I really Love Jesus but why are you inserting all this extra meaning that is not scriptural. Where does the scriptures say “son” has a different meaning pertaining to Jesus? Read the text of Hebrews 1. Did the name “son” in reference to David or Solomon call for the angels to worship them? Answer: No! Does the name “son” in reference to Christ call for the angels to worship Him? Answer: Yes! The Davidic throne was earthly in nature in David and Solomon but became a heavenly throne in the person of Christ. In Christ the Davidic throne became equivalent to session at the right hand of God. The Jesus you “love” is NOT the Jesus of scripture. Oh wait…I keep forgetting that any scripture that is out of line with your paradigm is “corrupt.” KJ

Are you serious the angels themselves are called sons of God, right?

Please don't think I have a set paradigm I am completely open to change if need be.

I will say that my view of the NT letters and such is in understanding that much of what is said is not based on former scriptures but on future hopes

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

The difference here is that the Angels are NOT a begotten son as Jesus was.

B'shem
YHVH

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