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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2012,22:46) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 15 2012,10:35) Mike,
You askedQuote Lame. Does 1 man + 1 man = 1 man, Kathi? If not, then your example doesn't match the words of Athanasius, and is therefore USELESS as a rebuttal to the point I just made. Many men + many men can = 1 man
Eph 2
13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.
KathiI can't believe your ignorance to those scriptures ,
you are blinding your self with false doctrine
I agree 100%, Pierre. It's not even worth responding to.Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 15 2012,23:16) Marty,
Believers are one flock…the Father and the Son are united as shepherds of the flock. The flock is not made up of the Father and the Son and the believers. What the believer's are one as (the flock) is different than what the Father and Son are one as (the shepherds). Yet, both groups are one (unity) and hence, one group is one as the other group is also one.
And when the twelve rule from twelve thrones along with Jesus, will those twelve be “part of the flock” they rule over? Or will they then become “part of the Shepherdhead“?Will those twelve become part of the “Echad Unity Godhead” because they also rule OVER the flock with Jesus and his God?
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 15 2012,23:22) Yes,
And 1 man (Gentile) + 1 man (Jew) = 1 (new) manNot one person but one unity.
So Jesus, as the faithful servant of God who always does what pleases the Father, and follows HIS will instead of his own, has aligned himself to be “one in unity” with his God and our God?That is correct and scriptural, Kathi. Unfortunately for you, there is nothing in that truth that teaches us that Jesus is a second Almighty God – or even equal to our one and only Almighty God.
Jesus' prayer to his God and our God was that his disciples also align their wills with the will of their God (like he himself did), so that they ALL can be “one in unity”.
Is that a direct quote from the scriptural book, The Gospel According to Kathi, chapter 2, verse 7?
I have never seen such a teaching in real scripture, Kathi.
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 16 2012,16:16) Marty,
Believers are one flock…the Father and the Son are united as shepherds of the flock. The flock is not made up of the Father and the Son and the believers. What the believer's are one as (the flock) is different than what the Father and Son are one as (the shepherds). Yet, both groups are one (unity) and hence, one group is one as the other group is also one.
Hi Kathi:There is the Father and there is a Son. True.
There is “One God”, and there is a Son whom God has sent into the world as His Christ, and whom is at His right hand as the Head of the church. True or Not?
Quote Jhn 17:1 ¶ These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: Jhn 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Jhn 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Lightenup @ Dec. 20 2012,08:51) The Father and the Son together with their Spirit have always been one in the corporate sense.
Kathi,You confuse me on what you mean. I know that Yawheh, the Father and one true God, dwells in Jesus, the human and one true King, by the Spirit. This does not make Jesus, Yawheh.
If you understand that Yawheh cannot be tempted as is common to men and that Jesus was then you would know Jesus is the human in who Yawheh dwells directly by his Spirit.
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