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If the Father revealed that Jesus is the son of God and the Messiah, and if this was commended by Jesus himself, then why don’t you listen to him yourself.
Yes – listen to what the Son has said – “I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.”
Eternal life is found where..? in the Father alone…??
No, “This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”
..eternal life is in knowing the Father AND the Son, together..!! (ONE)
“That they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.” (I and the Father are One).
(a verse that’s really about the unity of the saints on earth baring testimony to the reality of Jesus Christ – yet because of your false teachings you have ironically created the very ‘Babylon’ you warn others to escape from..!!)
…see how you cherry-pick the words of Jesus in an attempt to justify your own anti-trinity doctrine… but in so doing you are, in fact, actually denying the very testimony of Jesus Christ Himself – replacing the inspired Word with your own rags of human interpretation..
“No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.” – 1 John 2:23
Hi davidl,
So you interpret the unity as sameness?
Jesus offers a different view.
You disagree with him?
Hi davidl,
There is a disconnect between your claim to be born again and your promotion of the teachings of catholicism.
Hi,Nick and all,
Nick you said,
“Hi Andrew,Is it promised that all will do greater works?
Give me a light burden thanks”
I like your answer and apologize for my little literalist rant.I don’t want to put that burden on you or anybody else.
I was involved with charismaniacs for too many years.I had that burden,along with much guilt and shame i should’ve never had.It was so much confusion,I left christianity for many years.Not that I didn’t still believe in God,Christ and faith but couldn’t bear to hear any of it anymore.
Thanks to many factors including this site I can now deal with all of it much better,I do have love,joy,peace and the presence of God more now than ever before as long as I can keep aware of it.
But I wish all here love,joy and peace no matter how we all disagree.
Hi Andrew,
Bless you.
The Spirit is the best teacher.
Less arguments when all tune in to the same source
But wouldn’t it be great if we could have real faith that would just clear out hospitals and send everyone home healed and whole.The faith teachers dream and prophesy of such things.
Hi andrew,
For many being physically or mentally troubled becomes a doorway to finding salvation.
Folks cry out to God when they are desperate.
Take away all suffering and how would they discover they are under the wrath of God and only have a few years to escape?
So you interpret the unity as sameness?
Jesus offers a different view.
You disagree with him?
This is what Jesus said – “I and the Father are One.”
You choose to interpret this Oneness according to your anti-trinity predisposition…
Yet the verses you use (John 17:3,21) actually confirm the very thing you try and deny..!!
There is a disconnect between your claim to be born again and your promotion of the teachings of catholicism.
If you offer no evidence then I would have to imagine the disconnection is in your own understanding…
Don’t Catholics teach Jesus died for your sins… and He was born of a virgin – do you disagree with this also just because it is catholic..?
Concerning being born of the Spirit you offer no personal understanding, just theological concepts..
You even reject the idea of receiving Christ in a personal sense, as if it were not Scriptural…?
Hi davidl,
Your defence of the church of the world is true loyalty.
But should you not rather serve Christ Jesus?
But should you not rather serve Christ Jesus?
Good words indeed – but still waiting for any confirmation that you are actually born again, Nick…
Some interpret being born again with being physically resurrected and if that’s the case then none has been born again except Jesus who is the “firstborn of the dead”which clearly means resurrected.Or if he was just spiritually resurrected then maybe the rest of us are just”born again”when we die and go to heaven.
Hi davidl,
If you r words in support of the church of the world are evidence then you could never be convinced
DavidL,
This is what Jesus said – “I and the Father are One.”
I consider the claim that Jesus is claiming he is God in saying as the usual Trinitarian nonsense when they claim words that apply to Jesus mean he is God while when those same words are applied to others they do not interpret them to mean the others are God as well.
You already know Jesus himself said the Father is his God and yet you choose not to believe him. Since he is your Lord then why don’t you believe him?
Yes it is just like how they will interpret “For the Father and I are one” to mean they are one by substance, instead of merely purpose, but then interpret “that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me,” to be speaking about oneness in substance in one part and then oneness in purpose in the next. Their interpretation is completely arbitrary even when context says otherwise.
Kerwin why do you claim Jesus as your Lord? what is a lord anyway? if you have an invisible Lord whom you revere and treat as a god,is it wrong to call him a god or God? Paul applied verses from the OT that clearly belong only to Jehovah to Jesus Christ. Maybe Paul needs a little correcting too?
Hi Andrew,
God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.
God spoke and worked through Jesus.[acts 2.22]
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