John 17:5

[terraricca]

hi mike

thanks ,i will need a little practice but i thing i will make it.

Pierre

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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2010,13:56)

Quote (Baker @ Sep. 18 2010,08:30) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2010,23:12) Quote (Baker @ Sep. 18 2010,01:23) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2010,17:21) Irene Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2010,05:56) edj this is yours ; ;Isaiah 63:2-10 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel(Jer.4:30), and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat? I (HolySpirit) have trodden the winepress alone (Rev.19:15); and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments(Rev.19:13), and I will stain all my raiment. For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come. And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me(Job.40:10-14); and my fury, it upheld me. And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength(Ez.28:9) to the earth. I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the LORD, and the praises of the LORD, according to all that the LORD hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his loving- kindnesses. For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Savior. In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled, and vexed his HolySpirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he(HolySpirit) fought against them. The “HolySpirit” is indeed “The Word”; does this information help you(Irene) to understand now? (Mark 4:12) —————————————————————————————— ———————— this is mine whats follow, tell me why is the sabbath day was HOLY,during the old testament.?? and tell me why is Gods spirit is HOLY? could you tell me what version of bible you use ? because i can not read those thing you chow on this comment in my bible the INV. Pierre You quoted that before.  However that did not answer my question.   The Holy Spirit is not a Person.      And John 1:1-14 and Rev. 19:13-16 talks about Jesus and not the Holy Spirit.  A person cannot be in us, but God's Holy Spirit is, at least those who understand the truth by proving it.   The Holy Spirit is not KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS, but Jesus is.  The Holy Spirit does not have a robe on dipped in blood, but Jesus does.  The Holy Spirit is not coming to smite the nations, but Jesus will.  Jesus also has another name.    What you are quoting in Rev. 19:15 is not what it says. But what it does say in the INV Bible Rev. 19:15Out of His mouth comes a sharp sword, with which it strikes down the nations.  He will rule them with a rod of iron scepter.  He treads the wine press of the furry of the wrath of Almighty God.  That is not the Holy Spirit that is Jesus, He will come again with His Saints and rule……. Irene Irene why would i have change now i never believed in the trinity, the comment i made was for EDJ,but i can see you do not want to see it, and EDJ responded to you ,it is the views of EDJ not mine, and i know what the Holy spirit is and not is, I am not confused,all is as you quote in revelation, all my questions where addressed to EDJ,not to you, I hope this is now clear up. Pierre terraricca!  We are not talkng about the trinity here.  I do know that the post was from Ed., you however have a problem making yourself clear.  You say that you don't believe in a trinity, and that is good.  Next time you make a post don;t post something someone else said, rather say what you believe.   You asked me all kinds of questions and then don't respond to it….. How am I to know what you believe……I don't read every post you make to others.   So I am glad though that you agree with Rev. Irene hi Irene I am glad this is over, as for my believes and faith you can read what i have said ,that s basically all whats in the scriptures taught by God and Christ and his disciples. what happen is a good experience for me ,and will not be repeat it. well again sorry for the disturbance. Pierre

Yes, I am glad also that it is over and also glad that we are on the same page, with our believes. It is so hard to do God's work, and we really can't do it. I think unless God opens our minds we can talk or write all we want, if it is not God's will, we can do it until we're blue in the face. Take Gene for instance, He I know has God's Holy Spirit too, but for whatever reason God has He does not let Him see about this subject….. Best wishes Irene

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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2010,16:38)

hi mike thanks ,i will need a little practice but i thing i will make it. Pierre

I also wanted to tell you, there is a spelling check you can use, on top of your screen, it says ABC check. I use it all the time, cause I don't know how to spell some of the words either. Coming from Germany makes it hard to do…. So maybe that will help also…..just a suggestion too…. Peace Irene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2010,16:38)

hi mike thanks ,i will need a little practice but i thing i will make it. Pierre

I too believe you will make it.  I do it like this:

Pierre said:

button wrote:

Paste what you said here, then

button wrote:

So it comes out like this:

Pierre said:

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hi mike thanks ,i will need a little practice but i thing i will make it. Pierre

Easy peasey, right?

ps: Irene, I've never seen an “ABC” button when I post.  Where on the page is it?

mike

[mikeboll64]

Oh, and Pierre, sometimes I even break the other's post down into separate points, and answer them individually so it isn't all clustered together, like this:

Pierre said:

Quote

hi mike

To which I say, Hi Pierre.

Pierre said:

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thanks ,i will need a little practice but i thing i will make it.

Cool.

Pierre said:

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Pierre

To which I respond, peace and love, mike

[Baker]

Pierre! The ABC is on top where google is to the right, I don;t know what server you have, but we have Road Runner…. Irene

[mikeboll64]

Thanks Irene!

mike

[terraricca]

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Oh, and Pierre, sometimes I even break the other's post down into separate points, and answer them individually so it isn't all clustered together, like this: Pierre said: Quote hi mike To which I say, Hi Pierre. Pierre said: Quote thanks ,i will need a little practice but i thing i will make it. Cool. Pierre said: Quote Pierre To which I respond, peace and love, mike

hi mike

thanks it helps ,to know,i know more about how a computer works than how the program can be used,

in the next few weeks i will put all this to practice ,

i am a two finger reporter(so slow)

Pierre

[terraricca]

Quote (Baker @ Sep. 19 2010,18:33)

Pierre! The ABC is on top where google is to the right, I don;t know what server you have, but we have Road Runner…. Irene

irene

thanks ,but you know sometimes i use correction like you say ,then i go back and then forget to corrected,

but thanks it is in the coordination of those things that i forget.this is new ,well not much experience that is.

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 20 2010,05:41)

i am a two finger reporter(so slow)

My dad use to call that his “hunt and peck” method of typing.

[mikeboll64]

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Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2010,19:40)

There is no “HE SAITH” in verse 8; that was added by the translators? Verse 9 clearly indicates Jesus' God is God. Why do you let verse 8 confuse you?

Hi Ed,

The “he saith” is implied, and you prove that point by admitting it is Jesus who's God has anointed with the oil of gladness.

“Therefore God (Jesus), YOUR God (YHVH) has set you above your companions…..”

So apparently the “But unto the Son” really means “But unto the Son [He says]……”, right?

mike

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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 20 2010,05:41) i am a two finger reporter(so slow)   My dad use to call that his “hunt and peck” method of typing.

Oh, yes when you get old……all falls apart      My Husband types with one finger!!! And fast…..:):)
But I wanted to say something about Hebrew 1:8 it says that Jehovah God is calling Jesus God.  That is not correct?  I believe that God is a title and many in  Ancient times were called God.  Satan too is called the God of this world.  John 1:1 too and since He is the Spoken Word of God, is it then not correct to call Him God?  We do have a Greek and Hebrew Dictionary but I don't make hand and foot our of it….I always have believed that Jesus is the Mighty God and Jehovah is the Almighty God.  I also believe when it says in Rev, that Jesus is called Almighty is wrong….. Is it that the translators just want to translate those Scriptures to prove the trinity?  that at least I have come up with.  Whether I am right or wrong, I just take it with it grain of salt…until God reveals it to me differently…
Peace Irene

[terraricca]

Irene

there nothing wrong whit it Moses as been called god to his brother and Pharaoh ,because of the work God has given him,

so Christ is in a way our god (being like moses the in between God and men) being almighty this is similar to me (but this is my opinion)
Christ works ,included, the judgement,the renovation of the earth the call for the elect,ect.
and if we compere the position he add as man and now the king of kings,
OF CAUSE THIS DOES NOT ANULATE THE WORSHIP OF GOD OUR FATHER, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT TITLE WE GIVE TO ANYONE,IT WILL NEVER CHANGE GOD POSITION,SO IT IS US WHO MAY CHANGE OUR WORSHIP PRACTICE AND GIVEN IT NOT TO THE TRUE GOD BUT TO IDOLES.THIS WOULD BE WRONG.

Pierre

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Irene there nothing wrong whit it Moses as been called god to his brother and Pharaoh ,because of the work God has given him, so Christ is in a way our god (being like moses the in between God and men) being almighty this is similar to me (but this is my opinion) Christ works ,included, the judgement,the renovation of the earth the call for the elect,ect. and if we compere the position he add as man and now the king of kings, OF CAUSE THIS DOES NOT ANULATE THE WORSHIP OF GOD OUR FATHER, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT TITLE WE GIVE TO ANYONE,IT WILL NEVER CHANGE GOD POSITION,SO IT IS US WHO MAY CHANGE OUR WORSHIP PRACTICE AND GIVEN IT NOT TO THE TRUE GOD  BUT TO IDOLES.THIS WOULD BE WRONG. Pierre

Yes, worship belongs to Jehovah God only, that is what I believe. While Jesus our King of Kings and Lord of Lords deserves Honor and glory…. We go through Jesus to come before the Throne of Jehovah God…. He is our Mediator….. However even though God is a title I would not use that for a Human Being….. Peace Irene

[Ed J]

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bump Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2010,19:40) There is no “HE SAITH” in verse 8; that was added by the translators? Verse 9 clearly indicates Jesus' God is God. Why do you let verse 8 confuse you? Hi Ed, The “he saith” is implied, and you prove that point by admitting it is Jesus who's God has anointed with the oil of gladness. “Therefore God (Jesus), YOUR God (YHVH) has set you above your companions…..” So apparently the “But unto the Son” really means “But unto the Son [He says]……”, right? mike

Hi Mike,

I removed two commas and repositioned he saith inverse 8, along
with adding identifiers, strictly for purposes of clarity of meaning.
Note: I have also removed one comma from verse 7 after spirits.

Hebrews 1:7-9 And of the angels he saith, who maketh his angels spirits and his ministers a flame of fire.
8: But he saith unto the Son, Thy throne O God(YHVH) is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness
is the sceptre of thy(Jesus' by proxy his Father's) kingdom. 9: Thou(Jesus) hast loved righteousness,
and hated iniquity; therefore God(YHVH), even thy God(YHVH), hath anointed thee(Jesus) with the
oil of gladness above thy fellows(brothers). Let me know if you have any additional concerns?

Verse 9 has an intrinsic connection the idea of “oil” and how it relates to YHVH.
I can elaborate on this point more if you want? (I'm “a teacher” you know)
                                                                              (Ephesians 4:11-16)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 21 2010,00:03)

8: But he saith unto the Son, Thy throne O God(YHVH) is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness

We're half way there Ed.  I take it that you agree the “he saith” to the Son is implied even though it is not written in the words.

Now, why would God say to the Son about Himself, “Your throne O God is forever…..”?  Is God talking to Himself here?

Think Ed.  God called men “gods”.  Why couldn't he call the second most powerful being in existence “god”?  You know it only means “mighty one”, right?  

Besides, He already foretold that Jesus would be called “mighty god”.  

mike

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2010,15:14)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 21 2010,00:03) 8: But he saith unto the Son, Thy throne O God(YHVH) is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness We're half way there Ed.  I take it that you agree the “he saith” to the Son is implied even though it is not written in the words. Now, why would God say to the Son about Himself, “Your throne O God is forever…..”?  Is God talking to Himself here? Think Ed.  God called men “gods”.  Why couldn't he call the second most powerful being in existence “god”?  You know it only means “mighty one”, right?   Besides, He already foretold that Jesus would be called “mighty god”.   mike

Hi Mike,

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Hebrews 1:7-9 And of the angels he saith, who maketh his angels spirits and his ministers a flame of fire. 8: But he saith unto the Son, Thy throne O God(YHVH) is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy(Jesus' by proxy his Father's) kingdom. 9: Thou(Jesus) hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God(YHVH), even thy God(YHVH), hath anointed thee(Jesus) with the oil of gladness above thy fellows(brothers). Let me know if you have any additional concerns?

This is not a personal letter from God to Jesus as you may be implying? Rather,
it's a document which is written to expose truth to readers throughout all of time!

The distinction that (I believe) is being made here is: that because of Jesus righteousness
he holds a higher position than the Angels (which are mentioned in verse 7) connective to verse 9.
This does not mean God is giving Jesus a special throne or even calling him God as you assert, but rather…
the phraseology is connective and referring to above thy fellows as to mankind in general (mentioned in verse 9).

The idea I present has a strong association to another verse …(1Tm.2:5) …(Matt.18:16).
1Tm.2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

I'm glad you seek agreement with me here! And Yes he saith is implied. Let me know if you wish to pursue this further?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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