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Hi KW,
Ps 51
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.Surely this is one of the times when spirit means soul.
Mike,
Prophecy is often metaphoric. Sometimes it a mixture of metaphoric and literal. You need to be careful in parsing it. I doubt that there are literally souls under the altar of heaven as the claim sounds metaphoric. A possible meaning is it is the place Jesus sacrificed himself especially since the book of Hebrews seems to confirm it. So it sounds like those souls are dead believers who died under the new covenant and their literal location is not spoken of.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2014,10:26) Hi KW,
Ps 51
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.Surely this is one of the times when spirit means soul.
Nick,I do not believe so as we are told to be the fruits of the Spirit of God and so a human spirit is the part of man that bears fruit. The heart may be soul.
Mike,
Quote Luke 9:27
“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”John saw the kingdom of God though he died before inheriting it. The book of Revelation is his account of seeing it.
Nick,
I was assuming you would know which passage I was speaking of when I said we are to live by the fruit of the spirit. It is Galatians 5:16 to the end of the chapter that speaks of the conflict between that natural and spiritual and bearing the fruits of the Spirit.
The spirit of a man is like the spirit God in that you bear its fruit. A man with a haughty spirit would bear the fruit of haughtiness. Proverbs 16:8 speaks of a haughty spirit.
As for heart being soul I am not so sure as sometimes it seems to be spirit. I do know a man need a new spirit.
Hi KW,
The fruits of the Spirit results from the presence of the Spirit in a man and his not quenching that Spirit.
This is contrasted in Gal 5 with the fruit of the FLESHNick,
I agree. I am speaking of the spirit of a man, which when fully taught, bears with with God's spirit of the righteousness of God as its fruit has become the same as the spirit.
Like a man God has a spirit and a soul. It is our spiritual side that is like God.
Nick,
Scripture does not address the meaning of English words. Teachers give the gift of knowledge. I am surprised you do not know that.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 16 2014,13:37) Quote (jammin @ May 15 2014,19:12) if this phrase “form of his own God” (which you were saying) means they have the same form then i agree.
Good enough. I'm tired of talking about it.
Quote (jammin @ May 15 2014,19:12) if Christ is not equal with God, then paul should not say did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage.
But Paul didn't say that, jammin. You quoted the new, revised, 2011 NIV. Here's what the original 1984 NIV said:Philippians 2:6 NIV 1984
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,They changed it later because of those PERSONAL AGENDAS that I mentioned in my last post.
But think it out, jammin………. if ever someone was said to be “equal to God”, it is clear that that person was NOT God. In order to be “equal to” someone, you can't actually BE the person you are “equal to”.
So even in the newer, butchered version of the NIV, the fact that “equality WITH God” was mentioned at all tells us that we are talking about “God” – AND someone OTHER THAN “God”.
that NIV is just the same as the NIV that i gave you. they have the same meaning.if christ is not equal with God then paul should not say did not consider equality with God something to be grasped. do you understand the logic here?
first paul was talking about Christ being in the form (nature) of God. second, he did not consider equality with God. third, he became like us. if you analyze the verse well, you will see that Christ has the same form just like his father and he is equal with the father. many versions will give you clarification about this.commentaries also supported my view that Christ is equal with God
Pulpit Commentary
“to be equal with God.” Christ was equal with God (John 5:18; John 10:30). He did not cling to the outward manifestation of that equality.Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
thought it no robbery to be equal with God; the Father; for if he was in the same form, nature, and essence, he must be equal to him, as he is;even the jews know that Christ claimed to be equal with God
John 5:18
New International Version (NIV)18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
you do not know how to read properly. take IELTS mike. it will be a good help for you
Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2014,13:05) Quote (jammin @ May 16 2014,07:23) Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2014,04:54) Quote (jammin @ May 14 2014,19:56) Quote (kerwin @ May 14 2014,16:49) Jammin, Quote you need a psychiatrist kerwin. Why do you choose to cover your lack of knowledge with insults? Have you not heard the proverb “It is better for a man to keep his mouth closed and to look a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”
why do you choose not to accept the truth even if it is written?did you ask yourself that maybe you have a mind problem? why cant you accept that you have the form of HUMAN?
a man created by God has no form of beast. that is not God's creation. you fool people.
Jammin,I am not looking for a conversation from you where you choose not to seek knowledge. Lack of knowledge is nothing to feel shame about. The refusal to seek knowledge is something to feel shame about.
You sit that and there and try to claim form and image are synonyms even though you should know better. If you do not know then seek to find out. This should be that important and more to you.
You also choose to cast unfounded accusations against those who have done so. Sometimes they have also stooped seeking but a different level but it is always wise to test what your hear and as well as what you believe.
God never created HUMAN with a form of beast. i said the form in phil 2.6 is a synonym of essence and it is written in the dictionary and the bible. if i say something, i back up it with version. i am not a storyteller like you.
Jammin,I do not want to confuse you by using the words “form of a beast” to mean two different things so I will not address it in reference to the creation of man.
Mankind has existed in the form of a beast since he rebelled against God. Jesus came to free us and create a new man that exists in the form of God.
You can use essence or nature instead of form and it all means the same thing.
I often hear the arguments of other men from you. They are not yours as they have been around longer than you have unless you are very very ancient.
hahaha. you are talking non sense here.
God never created a man with a form of beast. if you said you have the form of beast, then so be it. that is your prerogative but it gives me reason to think that you are just creating your own doctrine and it is very clear that it is not written in the bible.you can talk to the other members here and tell them about the form of beast and maybe they can accept your fairytale doctrine. hhaahaha
Nick,
There is passages about righteousness being a gift, Romans 5:17. Jesus also taught us that the Spirit will teach us all things, John 14:26.
Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2014,03:37) Nick, Scripture does not address the meaning of English words. Teachers give the gift of knowledge. I am surprised you do not know that.
Hi KW,
How can man give what is of God?Jammin,
I see you choose to mock what you do not understand instead of seeking the truth. You need to repent.
If you care for serving God then consider the words of 1 Peter 2:12 and Jude 1:10 if not then the result is on your head.
Seek God and his righteousness.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 17 2014,02:52) Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2014,03:37) Nick, Scripture does not address the meaning of English words. Teachers give the gift of knowledge. I am surprised you do not know that.
Hi KW,
How can man give what is of God?
Nick,I was not speaking of human teaches but of the Holy Spirit.
Human teachers impart certain knowledge but they cannot give what the Spirit teaches. The knowledge they impart is like the law with the most beneficial part being to give the gift of the knowledge of the gospel.
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