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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 01 2008,00:43) Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 01 2008,16:04) Hi Nick,
I don't believe that Jesus had to be born again into the kingdom of God because God was already His Father.
LU
Hi LU,
When did God Himself publically declare Jesus to be His son?
Nick,
What does that matter as far as when He became His Father? The mere words didn't make Him a son, nor did baptism. Jesus the man became a Son of God in the flesh upon His conception within Mary. The Son of God became a son before anything was in heaven or on earth. He is the firstborn of all creation.Matt 3:15-17
16 After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, 17 and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, ” This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”
NASULU
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 01 2008,00:52) Hi LU,
Was the king born then too, without yet ruling?
Matthew 2:2
Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
Hi Nick,
Yes! Unless you can show me where it says that He became a king.
LUHi LU
Yes – he was the Royal seed of Abraham.
A king must be born of royal stock.
As such they are born into royalty as a future heir.
For a man to be an heir to a kingdom he must also be the firstborn (of course)
unless of course his brother(s) die…Quote (malcolm ferris @ Oct. 01 2008,17:11) Nick
He came not in his own name but that of HIS FATHER.
It was GOD in CHRIST reconciling the world to HIMSELF.
What anointing? same SPIRIT that came to the fathers in prophets (in part) in Son (in full)
given when? when the heavenly DOVE descended upon the earthly LAMB.
Hi MF,
So God was in Christ.
So God was not that Christ.
Christ came and acted in the name, authority and the powers of God given to him at the Jordan?Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 30 2008,15:35) Nick,
You said once that we can be just like Him. Why can't we be a vine?
It says that he is the vine and we are the branches.We can be like a vine if you change the meaning of the parable to something different. Like I am a vine and my sons and daughters are the branches. Although then I have to fit my wife in too as another vine.
You get the idea though.
He is the vine and we are the branches.
Quote (malcolm ferris @ Oct. 01 2008,17:32) Hi LU
Yes – he was the Royal seed of Abraham.
A king must be born of royal stock.
As such they are born into royalty as a future heir.
For a man to be an heir to a kingdom he must also be the firstborn (of course)
unless of course his brother(s) die…
So was Jesus truly the firstborn or did he inherit that because someone died or gave him the birthright?hi t8
IMO Jesus was the uniquely begotten Son of GOD.
One of a kind, born without an earthly father,
born without a fallen nature,
firstborn of GOD, firstborn also from the dead.
The heir and unable to be dethroned,
even death could not bar him from the inheritance GOD had promised him.
IMOQuote (malcolm ferris @ Oct. 01 2008,22:06) hi t8
IMO Jesus was the uniquely begotten Son of GOD.
One of a kind, born without an earthly father,
born without a fallen nature,
firstborn of GOD, firstborn also from the dead.
The heir and unable to be dethroned,
even death could not bar him from the inheritance GOD had promised him.
IMO
In Col. 1:15 it says's He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
verse 16 For by Him all things were created..verse 17 And He was before all things, and in Him all things consist.
Rev. 3:14 …These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness the Beginning of the creation of God.
Then in John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God, and the Word was with God.
verse 3 Through Him all things were created…………..I want to ask here since there are some think that it proves the trinity. If you have a Son, does He bear your last name?
So if you look at it in that way, all fits. The Word (Jesus )) was the Spoken word for God and in the O.T. it is either Jesus or an Angel that speaks, never the Father. No one has seen or heard the Father's voice.Then in John 17: 5 “And now O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.”
I don't know how many times I put these scriptures up already, but it is for our new member. Good luck.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Lightenup @ Oct. 01 2008,01:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 01 2008,00:43) Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 01 2008,16:04) Hi Nick,
I don't believe that Jesus had to be born again into the kingdom of God because God was already His Father.
LU
Hi LU,
When did God Himself publically declare Jesus to be His son?
Nick,
What does that matter as far as when He became His Father? The mere words didn't make Him a son, nor did baptism. Jesus the man became a Son of God in the flesh upon His conception within Mary. The Son of God became a son before anything was in heaven or on earth. He is the firstborn of all creation.Matt 3:15-17
16 After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, 17 and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, ” This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”
NASULU
Nick,
Sorry, not a misprint but I could have written it more clearly. I meant that the Most High God did not become the Son's Father at the time of His first public announcement. He was His Father when the Son became the firstborn of all creation.
Thanks for asking for clarity,
LUQuote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 01 2008,02:22) Hi LU,
So he was a king before ruling and the Christ before being anointed.
Hi Nick,
Yes.
LUQuote Do you think he was the first work of the Father?
as Tiffany said Col 1:15-17 is a good place to start.
one thing I don't believe that there are 2 Gods or that a son can be eternal
(i.e. in the sense that he has no beginning or end – he can have eternal life in him)Hi MF,
Yes eternal life is in him, not of him.It was given to him at the Jordan.
Now he is raised he shares it with us
Hi Malcolm,
Why do you think that the Son of God is called God by the Most High God Himself and by others? Also, regarding “firstborn” you said:Quote IMO Jesus was the uniquely begotten Son of GOD.
One of a kind, born without an earthly father,
born without a fallen nature,
firstborn of GOD, firstborn also from the dead.
The heir and unable to be dethroned,
even death could not bar him from the inheritance GOD had promised him.You missed stating that He was the firstborn “of all creation.” He was born first of all creation. That puts Him in existence before anything was in heaven or on earth.
LU
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