JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[jammin]

do you compare yourself to Christ? LOL

are you the ONE AND ONLY SON OF GOD?LOL

are you not TRULY HUMAN just like your father| LOL

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 05 2012,14:02)

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 05 2012,13:48) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 05 2012,13:33) Hi Jammin, Do you believe “Christ” has a father? God bless Ed J of course. Hi Jammin: Who's “The Father of Spirits” mentioned in Hebrews 12:9? “Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in sub- jection unto  the Father of spirits,  and live?” (Heb. 12:9) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Jammin,

Please answer my question.

[jammin]

i am not against with the verse. the verse is correct but your understanding is wrong.
but to answer your question, that is God

now answer mine,
are you THE ONLY SON OF GOD?

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 05 2012,14:33)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 05 2012,14:21) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 05 2012,14:02) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 05 2012,13:48) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 05 2012,13:33) Hi Jammin, Do you believe “Christ” has a father? God bless Ed J of course. Hi Jammin: Who's “The Father of Spirits” mentioned in Hebrews 12:9? “Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in sub- jection unto  the Father of spirits,  and live?” (Heb. 12:9) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Jammin, Please answer my question. that is God

Hi Jammin,

It is great when you answer!     …and Yes I agree.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 05 2012,14:33)

now answer mine, are you THE ONLY SON OF GOD?

No

[jammin]

so???

now answer mine,
are you THE ONLY SON OF GOD?

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 05 2012,14:47)

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 05 2012,14:33) now answer mine, are you THE ONLY SON OF GOD? No

bump

[jammin]

thanks for answering

therefore you are not like Christ.

God is the father of Christ. he is like his father. they are both truly God by nature.

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 05 2012,14:51)

therefore you are not like Christ.

?

[jammin]

better luck next time boy.

you are not the only son of GOD. you answered no
thanks for the answer.
it is now clear that you just like your father human is truly HUMAN by nature.

Christ and his father is TRULY GOD  by nature

[Ed J]

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you are not the only son of GOD. you answered no thanks for the answer.

Hi Jammin,

“For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make
the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one:
for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church
will I sing praise unto thee. And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.” (Heb 2:10-13)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 05 2012,14:49)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 05 2012,14:47) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 05 2012,14:33) now answer mine, are you THE ONLY SON OF GOD? No bump

thanks
this clearly says that Christ is truly God just like his father

[journey42]

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 05 2012,13:22)

Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 05 2012,04:35) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 04 2012,23:56) there is nothing wrong in my post. limjunus is a false teacher and it is very obvious. how about you? do you believe that Christ is not God? if you believe that, you are part of the group of false teachers. according to paul gal 1.8 Galatians 1:8 Good News Translation (GNT) 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel that is different from the one we preached to you, may he be condemned to hell! Your posts are confusing. I believe what the scriptures say; that Jesus is the SON of God. To say anything otherwise is to go against scripture. John 1:34   And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. John 3:18   He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 5:25   Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. John 11:27   She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world. John 20:31   But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. Acts 8:37   And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. journey i believe that Christ is the Son of God. but your belief is not the whole truth. the bible also says that Christ is God. john 20.28 thomas said to jesus, MY LORD AND MY GOD! that is a very clear words from the apostle

Jammin

You worship a God that can die.
My God could never die, or be killed by men.
No, my God prepared a sacrifice, and that was his only Son.
Much more difficult to sacrifice your child, than yourself.
You have to be a parent to understand this.
You've got your one Thomas verse, that you cannot understand yourself.
And there are hundreds of verses claiming that Christ is the Son of God,
So you say these verses are not really true?
That Christ really tricked us, or fooled us?, or that it is not given to us to understand?

Don't you know that the message is simple, and for the simple,
That Christ is not just any man, but he is the only begotten Son of God, he was the Word of God (spirit)
and he was made flesh in Mary's womb
by the will of God, not man,
and he does everything that the Father tells him to do,
and when he rose he sat on his Fathers right hand side,
not sat in his Fathers throne,
but next to him.  
This should tell you something Jammin.
Without even having the holy spirit,
that there are two here, not one,
but they agree as one, for everything the Son does,
he imitates his Father.
If you know the Son, you will know the Father
as Christ came preaching his Fathers kingdom, not his own.
And the Father gave Christ a name above every name,
yes his Father crowned him, and said
This is my beloved Son,
believe on him, that I sent him.

So simple Jammin,
We all understand this here,
that's why we talk on heaven net, and not on Christian Chat,
for there they will love you there and scratch your back,
and we not on that site, because those trinitarians are real nasty Jammin, just like you have been talking,
A different spirit in them,
taking the glory away that God gave his only son,
saying that Christ is really God, the same,
thats their only argument, and they have no other knowlege in the scriptures, they don't understand prophesies,
they don't know what's to come,
they don't know the great delusion coming,
they don't even follow the milk or the greatest commandment, to love thy neighbour
they just condemn, condemn, condemn
they never move on.
They reject that title that God gave his only Son,
They have the spirit of Antichrist, because they don't accept what Christ tells us, and they don't accept what God tells us
this simple message,

Matthew 3:17   And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

And instead, they listen to what their church tells them, and not what the scriptures say, they twist, decieve, hate, anything that is of the truth, all the while claiming they are the only ones with the truth, but when you test them, they know nothing, never moving on, staying stagnant, always hating.
Be careful Jammin,
You go figure?

[jammin]

God was manifest in the flesh.
meaning, Christ who is God by nature became flesh. the body died.

you are telling not the whole truth of the bible.

i believe what the bible says,.
Christ became flesh. he was GOD before he became flesh (phil 2.6)
Philippians 2:6-7

New Living Translation (NLT)

6 Though he was God,
he did not think of equality with God
as something to cling to.
7 Instead, he gave up his divine privileges;
he took the humble position of a slave
and was born as a human being.
When he appeared in human form

the body died

[limjunus]

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 05 2012,15:38)

God was manifest in the flesh. meaning, Christ who is God by nature became flesh. the body died. you are telling not the whole truth of the bible. i believe what the bible says,. Christ became flesh. he was GOD before he became flesh (phil 2.6) Philippians 2:6-7 New Living Translation (NLT) 6 Though he was God,    he did not think of equality with God    as something to cling to. 7 Instead, he gave up his divine privileges;    he took the humble position of a slave    and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form the body died

Romans 10:9 LB
9For if you tell others with your own mouth that Jesus Christ is your Lord and believe in your own heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Acts 2:36 NKJV
36″Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

Acts 4:10-12 NKJV
10let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.

Now, how can you explain that the God (Jammin said: Jesus Christ is truly God) become human being and did not died?

Did you mean, God had transformed from Supreme being to a mere human being or The One and only true God, step down from being a true God down to a true human being (flesh)?

What do you mean the body died?

[limjunus]

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Quote (limjunus @ Aug. 04 2012,18:58) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 04 2012,12:01) (limjunus @ Aug. 01 2012,23:57) Thomas, did not address his saying to Jesus, but instead Thomas, is indirectly uttering that words as “MY LORD AND MY GOD! (OMG!) with his extremely sudden emotion……….. —————————————————— can you give me a translation that thomas said in john 20.28 OH MY GOD? ill wait boy you may ask for help Jammin, The (OMG!) is just the equal words of “MY LORD AND MY GOD! exclaimed by Thomas. I have explained it very will, the real issue in what Thomas to be believing is?. Thomas has been corrected by Jesus, that he must believed that the resurrection idea is real and not the issue of, if Jesus is Lord and God? Just read it back. i do not need your opinion. give me a translation that thomas said OH MY GOD in john 20.28 can you give one or not?

Did I said that the John 20:28 is not THE WRITTEN “MY LORD AND MY GOD”?

I had my explanation why I said that the verse is equal with the OMG! do not divert the issue Jammin. I did not said that there is a translation of John 20:28 “OH MY GOD!”

YOU ARE TRYING HARD TO DIVERT THE MAIN ISSUE TO THE OTHER MATTER.

You are so very dangerous person and need to be wactt very carefully.

For almost a week since I have asked you a very simple question, but until this moment you have failed to answer it.

Jammin stand: Jesus Christ and the Father has the same nature of God, therefore both of them truly God.

Now, Here is again my questions:

1.) 'WHO IS THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD, Jesus Christ, the begotten Son of God, or his Father who had begotten him?

2.) HOW MANY TRUE GOD DO YOU RECOGNIZED?

The questions is almost a week since and then. Why Jammin?

If you are not a false teacher, why you can not able to answer the simple questions of mine?

Peace

[limjunus]

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 04 2012,23:56)

Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 04 2012,16:05) Quote (limjunus @ Aug. 04 2012,15:53) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2012,04:24) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 03 2012,19:42) limjunus, john 17.3 is correct but your interpretation is wrong i do not have a problem with that. i believe that Christ is the son of God. i also believe that Christ is God. the apostles said that. John 20:28 New International Version (NIV) 28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” John 20:28 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW) 28 Thomas responded to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!” you just pick what you want but you do not believe  what the whole bible says. i believe that there is only one father who is truly God. john 17.3 the bible also says that the son is truly God. 1  john 5.20 john 1.1 Barnes' Notes on the Bible My Lord and my God – In this passage the name God is expressly given to Christ, in his own presence and by one of his own apostles. This declaration has been considered as a clear proof of the divinity of Christ, for the following reasons: 1. There is no evidence that this was a mere expression, as some have supposed, of surprise or astonishment. 2. The language was addressed to Jesus himself – “Thomas …said unto him.” 3. The Saviour did not reprove him or check him as using any improper language. If he had not been divine, it is impossible to reconcile it with his honesty that he did not rebuke the disciple. No pious man would have allowed such language to be addressed to him. Compare Acts 14:13-15; Revelation 22:8-9. 4. The Saviour proceeds immediately to commend Thomas for believing; but what was the evidence of his believing? It was this declaration, and this only. If this was a mere exclamation of surprise, what proof was it that Thomas believed? Before this he doubted. Now he believed, and gave utterance to his belief, that Jesus was his Lord and his God. 5. If this was not the meaning of Thomas, then his exclamation was a mere act of profaneness, and the Saviour would not have commended him for taking the name of the Lord his God in vain. The passage proves, therefore, that it is proper to apply to Christ the name Lord and God, and thus accords with what John affirmed in John 1:1, and which is established throughout this gospel. sorry boy but you need to study hard. your words are non sense spin 1. There is no evidence that this was a mere expression, as some have supposed, of surprise or astonishment. [There is evidence, read verse John 20:26-29 NLT] 2. The language was addressed to Jesus himself – “Thomas …said unto him.” [addressed to Jesus as a respond and not clarifying us that his believe is Jesus his Lord and His God. Thomas is in the state of very strong shocked and big regret and shouting the OMG!]   3. The Saviour did not reprove him or check him as using any improper language. If he had not been divine, it is impossible to reconcile it with his honesty that he did not rebuke the disciple. No pious man would have allowed such language to be addressed to him. Compare Acts 14:13-15; Revelation 22:8-9. [There is a rebuttal done by Jesus. Do not be unbeliever but be a believer of the resurrection. The context or the issue is not who Jesus is, but the is Jesus was raised from the dead (resurrection doctrine).] 4. The Saviour proceeds immediately to commend Thomas for believing; but what was the evidence of his believing? It was this declaration, and this only. If this was a mere exclamation of surprise, what proof was it that Thomas believed? Before this he doubted. Now he believed, and gave utterance to his belief, that Jesus was his Lord and his God. 5. If this was not the meaning of Thomas, then his exclamation was a mere act of profaneness, and the Saviour would not have commended him for taking the name of the Lord his God in vain. The passage proves, therefore, that it is proper to apply to Christ the name Lord and God, and thus accords with what John affirmed in John 1:1, and which is established throughout this gospel. [Thomas uttering the name of the Lord and God in a very big regret for being unbeliever; there Thomas didn't use the name of his God in vain] Be careful Jammin. Next time be sure that you are old enough to understand the real context of the Bible you have believing. Peace.     Jammin Are you a christian? Because if you have hatred and spite inside your heart, then it will manifest sooner or later for all to see and be used as a witness against you, and knowledge won't be revealed to you. If the Spirit of God is truly inside you, then it should be growing in wisdom and love, if not, then double check that spirit inside you, cause it doesn't sound right from here what comes out of your mouth, and what you say only makes sense to you and no-one else, Not to late to repent, even if others don't agree with you, you should love and agree to disagree without falling into a hole to prove your point. Believe what you wish but don't sin. there is nothing wrong in my post. limjunus is a false teacher and it is very obvious. how about you? do you believe that Christ is not God? if you believe that, you are part of the group of false teachers. according to paul gal 1.8 Galatians 1:8 Good News Translation (GNT) 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel that is different from the one we preached to you, may he be condemned to hell!

Where is in that passages that Jesus Christ is the One and only true God?

The issue with the verse is the “different gospel”,.. and you are very fitted with the passages because the One and only true is immortal and you (Jammin) have recognized that Jesus Christ is truly God, then died and then raised from the dead by another truly God (the Father).

The genuine gospel is, “Romans 10:9 NKJV
9that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Acts 4:10 New Living Translation (NLT)
10 Let me clearly state to all of you and to all the people of Israel that he was healed by the powerful name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, the man you crucified but whom God raised from the dead.

The gospel of Jammin is, “Jesus Christ is truly God, hath died and but has been raised from the dead by another trul
y God.

Now Jammin, is your gospel the same with the apostles gospel? Oh' come on ,…man…! you have been caught with your over cleverness.

[limjunus]

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Quote (jammin @ Aug. 04 2012,23:54) Quote (limjunus @ Aug. 04 2012,18:58) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 04 2012,12:01) (limjunus @ Aug. 01 2012,23:57) Thomas, did not address his saying to Jesus, but instead Thomas, is indirectly uttering that words as “MY LORD AND MY GOD! (OMG!) with his extremely sudden emotion……….. —————————————————— can you give me a translation that thomas said in john 20.28 OH MY GOD? ill wait boy you may ask for help Jammin, The (OMG!) is just the equal words of “MY LORD AND MY GOD! exclaimed by Thomas. I have explained it very will, the real issue in what Thomas to be believing is?. Thomas has been corrected by Jesus, that he must believed that the resurrection idea is real and not the issue of, if Jesus is Lord and God? Just read it back. i do not need your opinion. give me a translation that thomas said OH MY GOD in john 20.28 can you give one or not? Did I said that the John 20:28 is not THE WRITTEN “MY LORD AND MY GOD”? I had my explanation why I said that the verse is equal with the OMG! do not divert the issue Jammin. I did not said that there is a translation of John 20:28 “OH MY GOD!” YOU ARE TRYING HARD TO DIVERT THE MAIN ISSUE TO THE OTHER MATTER. You are so very dangerous person and need to be wactt very carefully. For almost a week since I have asked you a very simple question, but until this moment you have failed to answer it. Jammin stand: Jesus Christ and the Father has the same nature of God, therefore both of them truly God. Now, Here is again my questions: 1.) 'WHO IS THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD, Jesus Christ, the begotten Son of God, or his Father who had begotten him? 2.) HOW MANY TRUE GOD DO YOU RECOGNIZED? The questions is almost a week since and then. Why Jammin? If you are not a false teacher, why you can not able to answer the simple questions of mine? Peace

1 Timothy 1:17 New Living Translation (NLT)
17 All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He is the eternal King, the unseen one who never dies (immortal); he alone is God. Amen.

1 Timothy 2:5
New Living Translation (NLT)
5 For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity—the man Christ Jesus.

The genuine gospel of the apostles: ” Jesus Christ is a man between God and men.

Jammin gospel: ” Jesus Christ is truly God, a Truly God between God and men= Truly God mediating truly God and men.

The genuine gospel of the apostles: ” Truly God is only one and immortal…”

Jammin gospel: ” Truly God with a truly God and died.

So, what is the advice of the apostles if there is a different gospel that they didn't preach Jammin? throw it out to the hell, right or wrong?

[limjunus]

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Quote (limjunus @ Aug. 04 2012,15:20) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 03 2012,19:49) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 03 2012,10:07) ἀπεκρίθη Θωμᾶς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ ὁ κύριος μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου. the greek bible also says that thomas said these words to jesus! in english, and thomas answered and said unto him… kurios mous kai ho theos mou! MY LORD AND MY GOD! but this false teacher said a different story. let me post what limjunus said (limjunus @ Aug. 01 2012,23:57) Thomas, did not address his saying to Jesus, but instead Thomas, is indirectly uttering that words as “MY LORD AND MY GOD! (OMG!) with his extremely sudden emotion………….. tsk tsk tsk.. you are really a false teacher boy  Jammin is trying very hard to prove his stand that Jesus Christ is truly God.  Using and capitalizing the John 20:28 from  his favorite version (NIRV) and avoiding to use the version of New Living Translation. “27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don’t be faithless any longer. Believe!” 28 “My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed. And the God words translation (GW) 27 Then Jesus said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Take your hand, and put it into my side. Stop doubting, and believe.” 28 Thomas responded to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!” And the CEB translation. 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here. Look at my hands. Put your hand into my side. No more disbelief. Believe!” 28 Thomas responded to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!” Jammin avoiding to use the above versions because he could not really prove that Jesus Christ is the Lord and God, in using the Thomas respond to the said event with exclamation remark!!! and Jammin is trying very hard to hide the real facts and issue with confrontation between Jesus and Thomas. I am not the false teacher,.. you are, Mr. Barnes and your wrongful interpretation of the action of Thomas with the event. Sorry Jammin. You are relying not with the Bible true context but only with your own “ego” and misrepresentation. Peace>   im not avoiding boy the NLT. actually, if you post most of the translation of john 20.28 it says that Christ is LORD and God. no matter what version you post, Christ is thomas' LORD and GOD ill give you many versions boy New International Version (©1984) Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” New Living Translation (©2007) “My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed. English Standard Version (©2001) Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” New American Standard Bible (©1995) Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. International Standard Version (©2008) Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) And Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord, and my God.” GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) Thomas responded to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!” King James 2000 Bible (©2003) And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. American King James Version And Thomas answered and said to him, My LORD and my God. American Standard Version Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Douay-Rheims Bible Thomas answered, and said to him: My Lord, and my God. Darby Bible Translation Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God. English Revised Version Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Webster's Bible Translation And Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God. Weymouth New Testament “My Lord and my God!” replied Thomas. World English Bible Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Young's Literal Translation And Thomas answered and said to him, 'My Lord and my God;' ——— see ? no versions that say OH MY GOD! LOL but you can make your own boy to support your illusion! LOL

As what and based with the real context of the Bible regardless of any versions.

The issue is Thomas is not believing that Jesus Christ was already raised from the dead by God, proving that the resurrection is real.

The John 20:28 issue is not to prove that Jesus Christ is the One and only true God. Thomas exclaimed, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!” is as a show of reaction filled with humiliation/ embarrassing/ in the state of shocked and most of all, show of guiltiness.

He has a faulty believe and need to be corrected, that he must believe that Jesus Christ has been raised from the dead by God (Romans 10:9) and not expressing or teaching that Jesus Christ is his LORD and GOD.

That's the truth of the Bible concerning the John 20:28 verse except you have another gospel Jammin?

Peace.

[limjunus]

I will not deal with Jammin, any more except he will answer the existing questions of mine. He could not find the rightful answers, that's why he just ignore it. How come he has a gut to join with this discussion if he has not fully equip with the truth about God?

Peace>

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