JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
So you say.

[kerwin]

Ed J;

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Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (in the AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.

My God is not the AKJV; and so I know Yahweh keeps his law in his own heart and mind and not in some book wrote to teach us of him.

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Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue (that is English) will he speak to this people.

That would be a tongue other than Hebrew.

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1Cor.14:27 (AKJV) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two(Hebrew, Aramaic), or at the most by three(Greek), and that by course; [and let one (“AKJV Bible”) translate].

Not even close since this is speaking of order in the church and not the speaking of strange languages; even that of angels.  The church is to limit those speaking in tongues to 2 or 3 witnesses and even then they are to have an interpreter.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2012,02:40)

Hi KW, You accept the NIV as a good translation or a humanised version-made for the palates of men?

Nick;

Put your trust in God and not the translators.

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ May 12 2012,02:44)

Hi Kerwin, 1) I don't know, what are they? 2) Have you defined what you are calling a heretic yet? 3) What? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed;

There should be threads on those things; maybe  Nick will draw them up for discussion.

[jammin]

edj

ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 1:14-18

14 Καὶ ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν, καὶ ἐθεασάμεθα τὴν δόξαν αὐτοῦ, δόξαν ὡς μονογενοῦς παρὰ πατρός, πλήρης χάριτος καὶ ἀληθείας· 15 (Ἰωάννης μαρτυρεῖ περὶ αὐτοῦ καὶ κέκραγεν λέγων· Οὗτος ἦν ὃν εἶπον· Ὁ ὀπίσω μου ἐρχόμενος ἔμπροσθέν μου γέγονεν, ὅτι πρῶτός μου ἦν·) 16 ὅτι ἐκ τοῦ πληρώματος αὐτοῦ ἡμεῖς πάντες ἐλάβομεν, καὶ χάριν ἀντὶ χάριτος· 17 ὅτι ὁ νόμος διὰ Μωϋσέως ἐδόθη, ἡ χάρις καὶ ἡ ἀλήθεια διὰ Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ ἐγένετο. 18 θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.

the word (ho logos) is the begotten son of GOD
the son is also GOD by nature.verse 18 says monogenes theos or God the only son

read again this greek bible boy. and i think you need to go to school to study greek boy LOL

[jammin]

the word in john 1.1 is the son of GOD, Christ!

he is GOD by nature! monogenes theos! GOD the only son!

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2012,10:26)

Hi ED, So you say.

Yep

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ May 12 2012,12:29)

Ed J; Quote Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (in the AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever. (1)My God is not the AKJV; and so I know Yahweh keeps his law in his own heart and mind and not in some book wrote to teach us of him. Quote Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue (that is English) will he speak to this people. (2)That would be a tongue other than Hebrew. Quote 1Cor.14:27 (AKJV) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two(Hebrew, Aramaic), or at the most by three(Greek), and that by course; [and let one (“AKJV Bible”) translate]. (2)Not even close since this is speaking of order in the church and not the speaking of strange languages; even that of angels.  The church is to limit those speaking in tongues to 2 or 3 witnesses and even then they are to have an interpreter.

Hi Kerwin,

1) Proof of YHVH's existence certainly is though.
2) English certainly fits the bill.
3) You do not believe Scripture
    is written on more than one level?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ May 12 2012,12:34)

Quote (Ed J @ May 12 2012,02:44) Hi Kerwin, 1) I don't know, what are they? 2) Have you defined what you are calling a heretic yet? 3) What? God bless Ed J Ed; There should be threads on those things; maybe  Nick will draw them up for discussion.

Hi Kerwin,

Will they define what you are calling a heretic?
Wouldn't it be easier for you to just say
what YOU believe a heretic is?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ May 12 2012,06:02)

Does the guilt of the Anglican translators of the AKJV mean the equally heretical translators of NIV are innocent;

Hi Kerwin,

What does this mean?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ May 12 2012,13:53)

edj the word (ho logos) is the begotten son of GOD the son is also GOD by nature.verse 18 says monogenes theos or God the only son read again this greek bible boy. and i think you need to go to school to study greek boy LOL

Hi Jammin, Link) (see logic fallacy #1)

Three big logic fallacies that I see presented here:

1. Opinions: opinions are presented as evidence.
2. Scenarios: scenarios are presented as proof.
3. Consensus: consensus is seen as conformation.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ May 12 2012,13:53)

the word in john 1.1 is the son of GOD, Christ! he is GOD by nature! monogenes theos! GOD the only son!

See my last post.

[kerwin]

Ed J.;

Anyone that adds or subtracts from the message of salvation is a false teacher; a heretic. Those who hold to such teachings are also heretics. The Anglicans are Trinitarians who do not believe in God’s promise of a righteousness like God’s. That alone makes them heretics.

English is one of many non-Hebrew languages. The Word is spoken in many languages.

The Translators of the NIV are a bunch of Trinitarians and possibly Oneness teachers who do not believe God’s promise of being righteous as he is. They are heretics though the king of England does not head up their various organizations. The fact one party is guilty of sin does not mean the other is innocent.

We are taught to test the spirit. That means of everything; whether the version of Scripture we read, the teaching hold to; the way we live; or anything else.

[Ed J]

Hi Kerwin,

Why then would you want to read that corrupt version?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

edj,

read my post.

christ is God the only son
monogenes theos in greek boy

he is the word in john 1.1

study hard LOL

[NickHassan]

Hi Jammin,
God the son?
Another god?

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ May 12 2012,14:08)

Hi Kerwin, Why then would you want to read that corrupt version? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed. J,

You still not understand what Jesus meant when rebuked those who diligently studied Scripture but did not come to him.  If you understood then you would know that the witness serves no purpose but to lead you to God and his righteousness.  Both the NIV and the KJV, though flawed, still serve this purpose because those that seek God will not be led astray.

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ May 12 2012,23:20)

edj, read my post. christ is God the only son monogenes theos in greek boy he is the word in john 1.1 study hard LOL

Hi Jammin,

We all know that “Christ” is: “GOD's only begotten Son”,
and also know that is not what John is saying in John 1:1!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ May 13 2012,06:12)

Quote (Ed J @ May 12 2012,14:08) Hi Kerwin, Why then would you want to read that corrupt version? God bless Ed J Ed. J, (1)You still not understand what Jesus meant when rebuked those who diligently studied Scripture but did not come to him.  (2)If you understood then you would know that the witness serves no purpose but to lead you to God and his righteousness.  Both the NIV and (3)the KJV, though flawed, (3)still serve this purpose because those that seek God will not be led astray.

Hi Kerwin,

1) I do understand what Jesus meant and that
    has NOTHING to do with the point I make.

2) FALSE!    …”The bible” is profitable for doctrine,
                       for reproof, for correction, for
                       instruction in righteousness.              … (the N.I.V.'s corruption is not profitable for doctrine,
                                                                                cannot correct, and is faulty for instruction in righteousness)
3) PROVE IT!    

4) Spin … (see my answer to your point #2)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2012,06:03)

Hi Jammin, God the son? Another god?

the bible says that.
God the only son or the only begotten GOD!

verse 18
monogenes theos
john 1
18 Θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν είς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.

and that only begotten GOD is the WORD (ho logos) in john 1.1
John 1:14

New International Version (NIV)

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

14 Καὶ ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν, καὶ ἐθεασάμεθα τὴν δόξαν αὐτοῦ, δόξαν ὡς μονογενοῦς παρὰ πατρός, πλήρης χάριτος καὶ ἀληθείας.

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