JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[terraricca]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ May 09 2012,11:34)

dido;vise versa

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2012,05:23)

Hi KW, Only God and those He gives authority to can forgive sin and give men a clean conscience. Repentance is the call. The pledges of men do not offer much

Nick;

1 Peter 3:21
King James Version (KJV)

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

or

1 Peter 3:21
New International Version (NIV)

21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[a] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Footnotes:

a}    1 Peter 3:21 Or but an appeal to God for a clear conscience

[kerwin]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ May 08 2012,21:44)

Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2012,19:41) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ May 08 2012,08:52) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 08 2012,13:11) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ May 07 2012,20:07) Mike, Yahshua is a who, but the words that proceed from his mouth most certainly is not a “who”! Agreed, Frank. But John 1:1 and 1:14 speak of the “who”, Yahshua – just like Rev 19:13 does. Mike, Father Yahweh's word is personified just as his wisdom is personified in the female gender. Are we to believe that there was also a “Goddess” with Yahweh also? I think not!   Frank, She would be the mother of both Jesus and John the Baptist; as that is what Jesus called her. kerwin, Father Yahweh's wisdom is also not and actual being. Father Yahweh's wisdom is “the mother of both Jesus and John the Baptist; as that is what Jesus called her.”?

Frank;

I chose to reinforce your point with my response.   I should have directed to Mike.  Jammin did not like that particular point and called it off topic; even though he brought it up originally.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Exactly GOD cleanses the conscience.
Baptism in the name of Jesus is our appeal to God.
Though your sins be as scarlet you shall be white as snow.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ May 08 2012,09:58)

Quote (Ed J @ May 08 2012,21:21) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ May 08 2012,13:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 08 2012,13:49) Frank, What is the point of your long cut and paste job?  And how does it refute the fact that Jesus is the Word in John 1 and Rev 19? Mike, And where in Scripture does it ever say “Yahshua is the word.”? NOWHERE! No-where! it strange ,and yet all apostles knew that Christ was the WORD OF GOD ,and that he was send from heaven and that Mary was a surrogate mother ,but most of you do not believe what you read in scriptures so they are a waist to you

T;

You believe Scripture infers Jesus transformed from a spirit being to human being and translated him into Mary's womb.  I hear no such inferences from Scripture.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2012,06:45)

Hi KW, Exactly GOD cleanses the conscience. Baptism in the name of Jesus is our appeal to God. Though your sins be as scarlet you shall be white as snow.

Nick;

The pledge is to seek God's righteousness and his kingdom; whether John's immersion or Jesus'. Jesus', unlike John's, grants you God's power. Without that power you will fall short of the glory of God.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
We can do nothing.
The Spirit is the source for us in Christ Jesus of everything that is good.
2Peter 1

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ May 09 2012,02:04)

these people does not know how to read their bible LOL they want their man made doctrine to be accpted by men even without biblical facts LOL the word is the son of GOD! John 1:14-18 New Living Translation (NLT) 14 So the Word became human[a] and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son. case closed

Hi Jammin,

Posting corrupted versions of the bible do not prove your point.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

CORRUPTED? lol

THAT IS WRITTEN IN GREEK!

ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 1:14-18

14 και ο λογος σαρξ εγενετο και εσκηνωσεν εν ημιν και εθεασαμεθα την δοξαν αυτου δοξαν ως μονογενους παρα πατρος πληρης χαριτος και αληθειας

15 ιωαννης μαρτυρει περι αυτου και κεκραγεν λεγων ουτος ην ον ειπον ο οπισω μου ερχομενος εμπροσθεν μου γεγονεν οτι πρωτος μου ην

16 και εκ του πληρωματος αυτου ημεις παντες ελαβομεν και χαριν αντι χαριτος

17 οτι ο νομος δια μωσεως εδοθη η χαρις και η αληθεια δια ιησου χριστου εγενετο

18 θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε ο μονογενης υιος ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος εκεινος εξηγησατο

make your own bible mr dream boy! LOL

[jammin]

ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 3:18

1550 Stephanus New Testament (TR1550)

18 ο πιστευων εις αυτον ου κρινεται ο δε μη πιστευων ηδη κεκριται οτι μη πεπιστευκεν εις το ονομα του μονογενους υιου του θεου

John 1:14-18

New International Version (NIV)

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”) 16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[a] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

better luck next time mr dream boy LOL

[Ed J]

Hi Jammin,

The N.I.V. is corrupt as well.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ May 09 2012,18:41)

CORRUPTED? lol THAT IS WRITTEN IN GREEK! ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 1:14-18 14 και ο λογος σαρξ εγενετο και εσκηνωσεν εν ημιν και εθεασαμεθα την δοξαν αυτου δοξαν ως μονογενους παρα πατρος πληρης χαριτος και αληθειας 15 ιωαννης μαρτυρει περι αυτου και κεκραγεν λεγων ουτος ην ον ειπον ο οπισω μου ερχομενος εμπροσθεν μου γεγονεν οτι πρωτος μου ην 16 και εκ του πληρωματος αυτου ημεις παντες ελαβομεν και χαριν αντι χαριτος 17 οτι ο νομος δια μωσεως εδοθη η χαρις και η αληθεια δια ιησου χριστου εγενετο 18 θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε ο μονογενης υιος ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος εκεινος εξηγησατο make your own bible mr dream boy! LOL

Hi Jammin, DO YOU AGREE that 2 Corinthians 5:19 is
explaining the meaning of John 1:14? (also Acts 10:38)

                   “The Word was GOD” (John 1:1)

“God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us
The Word of reconciliation.” (2 Cor 5:19)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ May 09 2012,19:34)

Hi Jammin, The N.I.V. is corrupt as well. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

do you know what is monogenes huios?? LOL

read the context boy LOL

you just pick other verses and connect it to john 1.1 but the truth is, there is no connection with those verses you have given .
2 cor 5.19 has nothing to do with john 1.1 boy

edj, you do not know how to read the bible. why dont you read your comics LOL

[jammin]

john 1.14,18
14 και ο λογος σαρξ εγενετο και εσκηνωσεν εν ημιν και εθεασαμεθα την δοξαν αυτου δοξαν ως μονογενους
18 θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε ο μονογενης υιος ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος εκεινος εξηγησατο

is that a corrupt version too edj? LOL

make your own bible boy! LOL

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ May 09 2012,21:42)

john 1.14,18 14 και ο λογος σαρξ εγενετο και εσκηνωσεν εν ημιν και εθεασαμεθα την δοξαν αυτου δοξαν ως μονογενους 18 θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε ο μονογενης υιος ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος εκεινος εξηγησατο is that a corrupt version too edj? LOL make your own bible boy! LOL

Hi Jammin, “The Word” was first made flesh in Jesus and now in us.

the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com-
pared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)

The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)

1Pet.1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
incorruptible, by “The Word” of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ May 09 2012,21:40)

Quote (Ed J @ May 09 2012,19:38) Hi Jammin, DO YOU AGREE that 2 Corinthians 5:19 is explaining the meaning of John 1:14? (also Acts 10:38)                    “The Word was GOD” (John 1:1) “God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us The Word of reconciliation.” (2 Cor 5:19) God bless Ed J 2 cor 5.19 has nothing to do with john 1.1 boy

Hi Jammin,

But it has everything to do with John 1:14.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Jammin,
Quoting scriptures in greek is no guarantee corruption is excluded.
But modern versions like the NIV do not even attempt to remain true to the manuscripts.

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
The Word of the divine oath is found in the context in heb 7

20 And inasmuch as it was not without an oath 21 (for they indeed became priests without an oath, but He with an oath through the One who said to Him,

“ The Lord has sworn
And will not change His mind,
‘You are a priest forever’”);
22 so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.

23 [h]The former priests, on the one hand, existed in greater numbers because they were prevented by death from continuing, 24 but Jesus, on the other hand, because He continues forever, holds His priesthood permanently. 25 Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

26 For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the Law appoints men as high priests who are weak, but the word of the oath, which came after the Law, appoints a Son, made perfect forever.”

That oath is written in Ps 110 after the Law.
This High Priest ,the Son was made appointed after being perfect by suffering.
When he appeared he entered through the veil of his flesh into heaven with his own blood as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.[heb 9.11-14]

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 10 2012,06:06)

Hi Jammin, Quoting scriptures in greek is no guarantee corruption is excluded. But modern versions like the NIV do not even attempt to remain true to the manuscripts.

Hi Nick,

You are right, there are corrupt Greek texts as well.
But as long as he's quoting from the “Textus Receptus”,
the odds are nearly certain of non-corruption of God's word.
The 'Codex Sinaiticvs' and the 'Codex Vaticanvs' are both corrupt.
The 'Nestle Test', which is a blending of the two, is corrupted as well!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 10 2012,06:18)

Hi ED, The Word of the divine oath is found in the context in heb 7 20 And inasmuch as it was not without an oath 21 (for they indeed became priests without an oath, but He with an oath through the One who said to Him, “ The Lord has sworn And will not change His mind, ‘You are a priest forever’”); 22 so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant. 23 [h]The former priests, on the one hand, existed in greater numbers because they were prevented by death from continuing, 24 but Jesus, on the other hand, because He continues forever, holds His priesthood permanently. 25 Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. 26 For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the Law appoints men as high priests who are weak, but the word of the oath, which came after the Law, appoints a Son, made perfect forever.” That oath is written in Ps 110 after the Law. This High Priest ,the Son was made appointed after being perfect by suffering. When he appeared he entered through the veil of his flesh into heaven with his own blood as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.[heb 9.11-14]

Hi Nick,

After the order of Melchizedek. (Link)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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