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Hi Frank,
Yes Jesus was still of flesh when he was raised.
He was of flesh after the Spirit baptism at the Jordan too.Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ April 23 2012,14:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 23 2012,13:37) Nick, IF and when you are ever born again from above, you will no longer consist of flesh, but be spirit. No will human eyes be able to see you anymore, for you will be like the wind in this respect. (John 3:3-8)
Receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit is not being born again, Nick. Bottom line: If you still consist of flesh, you have not yet been born again from above.
But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit. And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? “See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” They gave him a piece of a broiled fish; and he took it and ate it before them.
The two malakim arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. “My masters,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.” “No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.” But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom–both young and old–surrounded the house.Mike,
Quote Your first premise is faulty, Kerwin. People who have died no longer “exist”, yet they will come back into existence once again in the resurrection Your reasoning:
Premise A: All people that have died the first death stop existing then begin to exist when they are resurrected.
Premise B : Any premise that states otherwise is unsound.
Premise C: My first premise states otherwiseSince all three of these are true my first premise is untrue.
My reasoning:
Premise A: Scripture disagrees with your Premise A; for it is written:
Exodus 3:6
New American Standard Bible (NASB)6 He said also, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are dead and yet Yahweh is called their God. God is the God of those who exist and not of those who do not exist.
Premise B: Scripture cannot be broken.
Premise C: Your understanding of death breaks Scripture.Therefore it is flawed.
Quote Also, since we've discussed that “conceive” refers to a human being beginning to take form within its mother's womb, it truly doesn't prohibit a being from existing in a different form BEFORE he was caused to take form in a human woman's womb. What you state does not follow from your premises. Perhaps, I am missing something. Are you advocating reincarnation?
THE MAN, YAHSHUA
Revised 3/12/12Before his death, Yahshua was referred to as “man,” or “the son of man,” approximately 65 times as recorded in Scripture. He referred to himself as “the son of man.”
Yahshua is also recorded on one occasion in translation of the so-called “New Testament” as referring to himself as “me, a man” (Yahchanan [John] 8:40). Scripture twice declares that FATHER Yahweh is not “a man” (Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuyl 15:29). Not once is it ever recorded in ANY translation of the so-called “New Testament” as Yahshua the SON OF FATHER Yahweh giving reference to himself as “God” or “a god”.
After his resurrection, even after he ascended into heaven, he was referred to as “man,” or “son of man,” more than 30 times. Total equals more than 95 times.
Before His Resurrection
A man among menMatthew
8:20; 9:6; 10:23; 11:19; 12:8,32,40; 13:37,41; 16:13,27,28; 17:9,12,22; 18:11; 20:18,28; 25:13; 26:2,24,24,45Mark
2:10,28; 8;31; 9:9,12,31; 10:33,45; 13:34; 14: 21,21,41Luke
6:5,22; 7:34; 9:22,44,56,58; 11:30; 12:8,10; 17:22; 18:8,31; 19:10; 22:22,48; 24:7John
1:51; 3:13,14; 5:27, 6:7,53,62; 8:28; 12:23,34,34; 13:31Acts
2:22After His Resurrection
And at his second comingDan. 7:13 – A man from heaven
Mt. 19:28 – A man from heaven
Mt. 24:7 – A man from heaven
Mt. 24:30 – A man from heaven
Mt. 24:37 – A man from heaven
Mt. 24:39 – A man from heaven
Mt. 24:44 – A man from heaven
Mt. 25:13 – A man from heaven
Mt. 25:31 – A man from heaven
Mt. 26:64 – A man in heaven
Mk. 8:38 – A man from heaven
Mk. 13:26 – A man from heaven
Mk. 14:62 – A man in heaven
Lk. 9:26 – A man from heaven
Lk. 12:40 – A man from heaven
Lk. 17:24 – A man from heaven
Lk. 17:26 – A man from heaven
Lk. 17:30 – A man from heaven
Lk. 21:27 – A man from heaven
Lk. 21:36 – A man from heaven
Lk. 22:69 – A man in heaven
Jn. 1:51 – A man in heaven
Jn. 3:14 – A man in heaven
Acts 7:56 – A man in heaven
Acts 17:31 – A man in heaven
Rom. 5:15 –
1 Cor. 15:21 –
1 Cor. 15:47 – A man from heaven
1 Tim. 2:5 – A man, Yahshua Messiah
Rev. 1:13 – A man in heaven
Rev. 14:14 – A man in heavenAlso see:
YESHUA THE PERFECT MAN
http://www.amarthenazarene.com/uploads….Man.pdfQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,14:22) Hi Frank,
Yes Jesus was still of flesh when he was raised.
He was of flesh after the Spirit baptism at the Jordan too.
Nick,Yahshua had a different body when he was raised from the dead than the body he had when he was immersed.
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ April 23 2012,09:56) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,14:22) Hi Frank,
Yes Jesus was still of flesh when he was raised.
He was of flesh after the Spirit baptism at the Jordan too.
Nick,Yahshua had a different body when he was raised from the dead than the body he had when he was immersed.
Frank,I have pointed out that the flesh and bone body of both Adam and Eve before their fall was a spiritual body and that “flesh and blood” are an idiom for mortal body and yet some continue to hold to the comfortable teaching they were taught by man.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 23 2012,08:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2012,20:38) Were the apostles born again from above?
I believe some of them have been by now. But no, they were not born from above while they still dwelled on the earth as flesh beings.
Mike,Don't you believe that the apostles were and are in Jesus and God and Jesus and Yahweh was and is in them. If so then you would believe they were born from above while still in their mortal bodies.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,10:09) Hi KW,
You have not shown that at all
except to your own satisfaction..
Nick,Are you going to argue that Adam and Eve were created in a natural body; which is to say mortal?
I have already cited some translations that translate the idiom “flesh and blood” to “mortal body” just like “flesh” is translated “sinful nature” in other instances.
Hi KW,
The only difference is the life time limit imposed on him and his sons.
You have your own mystical language.Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2012,15:05) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ April 23 2012,09:56) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,14:22) Hi Frank,
Yes Jesus was still of flesh when he was raised.
He was of flesh after the Spirit baptism at the Jordan too.
Nick,Yahshua had a different body when he was raised from the dead than the body he had when he was immersed.
Frank,I have pointed out that the flesh and bone body of both Adam and Eve before their fall was a spiritual body and that “flesh and blood” are an idiom for mortal body and yet some continue to hold to the comfortable teaching they were taught by man.
Yes,Adam said:
This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman,' for she was taken out of man.”
Note that there is no blood mentioned here.
Yahshua said:
Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.
Note that there is no blood mentioned here.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,15:40) Hi Frank,
That matters?
Are you not a son of man{ADAM}
Nick,Yes, I am a mortal man, not an immortal man. And ….?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,10:20) Hi KW,
The only difference is the life time limit imposed on him and his sons.
You have your own mystical language.
Nick,You wrote:
Quote The only difference is the life time limit imposed on him and his sons. Who taught you that?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,11:00) Hi KW,
Scripture
Gen 6.3
Nick,That was a few generations down the line from Adam and Eve; but it is when the Spirit of God stopped struggling with the mortal body.
What God told Adam was:
17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’;
Cursed is the ground because of you;
In [f]toil you will eat of it
All the days of your life.
18 “Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you;
And you will eat the [g]plants of the field;
19 By the sweat of your face
You will eat bread,
Till you return to the ground,
Because from it you were taken;
For you are dust,
And to dust you shall return.”f) Genesis 3:17 Or sorrow
g) Genesis 3:18 Lit plantQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,13:30) Hi MB,
The disciples were reborn from above at Pentecost and transformed in the same way as the Master was at the Jordan.That promise remains available.
Hi Nick,Amen!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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