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Quote (terraricca @ April 04 2012,11:24) Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2012,23:00) Pierre, Quote Christ spirit is of Christ, Moses spirit is of Moses
Pierre spirit is of Pierre
Kerwin spirit is of Kerwin
Gods spirit is of God ,
Mike spirit is of Mike
do you understand this
I did not even give a hint that I believed otherwise.
Quote but you can be LIKE Pierre,or Mike or Jesus according to their spirit they have of their own , got it ?
This too I understand though it does not contradict that God took the spirit that continued to be on Mosses and placed it on the seventy elders just as it is written:
Numbers 11
King James Version (KJV)16And the LORD said unto Moses, Gather unto me seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom thou knowest to be the elders of the people, and officers over them; and bring them unto the tabernacle of the congregation, that they may stand there with thee.
17And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone.
KThe spirit that God will take and give to the 70 is not Moses own spirit but the spirit given by God to him,
Moses add to investigate to see if they are the right kind of men,
Then he bring them to God
Pierre,If the Spirit is given to Mosses by God it becomes Mosses' spirit.
The account is a type of things to come.
Hi KW,
No the Spirit of God does not become the spirit of a man.
But the Spirit is given without repentance and abides in a man to raise himQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 05 2012,15:51) Hi KW,
No the Spirit of God does not become the spirit of a man.
But the Spirit is given without repentance and abides in a man to raise him
Nvery good
Quote (kerwin @ April 05 2012,07:41) Quote (jammin @ April 04 2012,20:34) frank, did you find any translation that says in john 1.1 that the word is the father???
edj, nick, kerwin,
have you finished your homework in john 1.1? did you find any translation that says the WORD is the HS in john 1.1
you may ask for help LOL
Jammin,The Word is God means the Word is the Father as God is the Father.
so you cant find any version that says that the Word is the HS??how about you edj and nick???
frank, how about you?? LOL
the WORD is Christ. Christ, the Son of GOD, is GOD by nature.
that's what the bible says.
make your own version dreamer boys LOL
Quote (kerwin @ April 05 2012,08:11) Quote (jammin @ April 04 2012,20:32) Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2012,14:31) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ April 04 2012,08:04) Quote (jammin @ April 04 2012,12:54) really?? LOL
give me any single translation that says in john 1.1 that the word is the father.
i double dare you
you may start searching now LOL
I could also turn the table on you and ask you for a single translation that says in Yahchanan [John] 1:1 that the word is the son.
Frank,Wisdom is said to be the daughter of Christ because Wisdom is a feminine word in Hebrew. Jammin is demonstrating a lack of knowledge as the Word is masculine in Greek.
The English language is not given to such ideas and they translate poorly.
The Word is the Son of God in Ancient Greek; just like Wisdom is the Daughter of God in Hebrew. They are neither in English.
LOLdaughter of GOD. LOL
kerwin you make me laugh. LOL
make your own version! LOL
Jammin,Wisdom is called the sister to the Wise.
Proverbs 7
King James Version (KJV)4Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister; and call understanding thy kinswoman:
She was brought forth when there were no depths, …
Proverbs 8
King James Version (KJV)22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:The Hebrew and Greek language are given to such teachings the to nouns with genders while English is not.
where is your term in proverbs??you said “daughter of GOD”
where can i read that mr. dream boy?
make your own version LOL
you dont understand what wisdom means in prov .
it refers to the attribute of GOD.
prov 8 AMP
30Then I [Wisdom] was [a]beside Him as a master and director of the work; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing before Him always,Footnotes:
1. Proverbs 8:30 See Wisdom here present and involved at creation as an attribute of God.
that's what the bible says.
make your own version LOLQuote (jammin @ April 05 2012,07:12) Quote (kerwin @ April 05 2012,07:41) Quote (jammin @ April 04 2012,20:34) frank, did you find any translation that says in john 1.1 that the word is the father???
edj, nick, kerwin,
have you finished your homework in john 1.1? did you find any translation that says the WORD is the HS in john 1.1
you may ask for help LOL
Jammin,The Word is God means the Word is the Father as God is the Father.
so you cant find any version that says that the Word is the HS??how about you edj and nick???
frank, how about you?? LOL
the WORD is Christ. Christ, the Son of GOD, is GOD by nature.
that's what the bible says.
make your own version dreamer boys LOL
Jammin,'I do not hold that John 1:1 is directly speaking of the Holy Spirit.
I do hold that the Holy Counselor is the Word in it moves and the Word is revealed. That knowledge can be learned in Genesis 1, as Ed points out.
These are self evident truths that expect anyone to know no matter how they choose to interpret John 1:1.
It is like having a debate over whether or not water is wet.
therefore, THE WORD in john 1.1 is not the HS but the son of GOD
thanks kerwin for accepting this truth
the thread can now be locked
Quote (jammin @ April 05 2012,17:24) nick, the SON OF GOD is also involved
Hi Jammin,
Absolutely, the Word made flesh, Jesus Christ.that is correct.
en arke en ho logos. the WORD was with GOD. the word is the son of GOD.
the son of GOD was with GOD.thanks for accepting this truth
Quote (jammin @ April 05 2012,07:18) Quote (kerwin @ April 05 2012,08:11) Quote (jammin @ April 04 2012,20:32) Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2012,14:31) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ April 04 2012,08:04) Quote (jammin @ April 04 2012,12:54) really?? LOL
give me any single translation that says in john 1.1 that the word is the father.
i double dare you
you may start searching now LOL
I could also turn the table on you and ask you for a single translation that says in Yahchanan [John] 1:1 that the word is the son.
Frank,Wisdom is said to be the daughter of Christ because Wisdom is a feminine word in Hebrew. Jammin is demonstrating a lack of knowledge as the Word is masculine in Greek.
The English language is not given to such ideas and they translate poorly.
The Word is the Son of God in Ancient Greek; just like Wisdom is the Daughter of God in Hebrew. They are neither in English.
LOLdaughter of GOD. LOL
kerwin you make me laugh. LOL
make your own version! LOL
Jammin,Wisdom is called the sister to the Wise.
Proverbs 7
King James Version (KJV)4Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister; and call understanding thy kinswoman:
She was brought forth when there were no depths, …
Proverbs 8
King James Version (KJV)22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:The Hebrew and Greek language are given to such teachings the to nouns with genders while English is not.
where is your term in proverbs??you said “daughter of GOD”
where can i read that mr. dream boy?
make your own version LOL
you dont understand what wisdom means in prov .
it refers to the attribute of GOD.
prov 8 AMP
30Then I [Wisdom] was [a]beside Him as a master and director of the work; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing before Him always,Footnotes:
1. Proverbs 8:30 See Wisdom here present and involved at creation as an attribute of God.
that's what the bible says.
make your own version LOL
Jammin,I have trouble believing you do not see that Proverbs 7:4 calls Wisdom a sister, which makes her a daughter of God, and Proverbs 8:23 that she was set up from everlasting, which makes her the firstborn of God.
She is the personification of the Wisdom attribute of God. Both the Hebrew and Greek are given to such personification. Here is information about logos.
Quote Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: logos
Phonetic Spelling: (log'-os)
Short Definition: a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy
Definition: a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy.As you can see Word is a male in the Greek language; just as Wisdom is a female in the Hebrew language. In Greek Word, an aspect of God, is personalized as a male.
there is no daughter of GOD in prov 7.4
the verse means you should treat wisdom like the woman you love.
your lack of knowledge is very visible in this verse. you need to study hard kerwin
Proverbs 7:4
(ERV)
4 Treat wisdom like the woman you love and knowledge like the one dearest to you.that's the true meaning of the verse.
study hard boy LOL
you know what kerwin i think you should plant some trees to help your country. you will do better than reading and giving wrong meanings to the bible. you may start now while the weather is good LOL
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 05 2012,03:51) Hi KW,
No the Spirit of God does not become the spirit of a man.
But the Spirit is given without repentance and abides in a man to raise him
Nick,God gave the land of Israel to the children of Israel and yet it remained his land.
I was speaking of the spirit of prophecy in the same way.
God and Mosses are united in the ways God chooses. Placing “Mosses' (God's) spirit on the 70 united them in the same way. There union was a type of a greater union to come.
Quote (jammin @ April 05 2012,13:00) you know what kerwin i think you should plant some trees to help your country. you will do better than reading and giving wrong meanings to the bible. you may start now while the weather is good LOL
Jammin,Thank you! God said such as you would do the things you do and even worse things because of your unclear conscious.
It is clear that both Ancient Greek and Hebrew are given to personifications because of gender based nouns.
As far as I know there is no real debate about it; whatever the belief is about John 1:1.
Quote (jammin @ April 05 2012,12:55) there is no daughter of GOD in prov 7.4 the verse means you should treat wisdom like the woman you love.
your lack of knowledge is very visible in this verse. you need to study hard kerwin
Proverbs 7:4
(ERV)
4 Treat wisdom like the woman you love and knowledge like the one dearest to you.that's the true meaning of the verse.
study hard boy LOL
Jammin,I know the Easy-to-read version is a poor translation that tries to translate ideas instead of words. I am speaking of both Wisdom an Word as
Quote an imaginary person or creature conceived or figured to represent a thing or abstraction. but God could have have created
Quote the person or thing embodying a quality or the like; an embodiment or incarnation: He is the personification of tact. and he did create Jesus as a real human being to embody his Word.
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