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Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2012,15:16) Pierre, Perhaps I am misunderstanding you as I am speaking of the words “Spirit of Jesus Christ”
Philippians 1:19
New American Standard Bible (NASB)19 for I know that this will turn out for my [a]deliverance through your prayers and the provision of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
Footnotes:
a.Philippians 1:19 Or salvation
b.Philippians 1:19 Lit supplicationPhilippians 1:19
New International Version (NIV)19 for I know that through your prayers and God’s provision of the Spirit of Jesus Christ what has happened to me will turn out for my deliverance.[a]
Footnotes:
a.Philippians 1:19 Or vindication; or salvationPhilippians 1:19
Worldwide English (New Testament) (WE)19Yes, I will keep on being glad about it. I know that you will talk to God about me, and I know that the Spirit of Jesus Christ will help me. So I know that things will work out for me to be free.
Kread what I said to WJ it is scripture that he quoted in Phill 1;19
Quote For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,… Phil 1:19
and add;Whose Spirit does the Bible say we have recieved that crys “Abba Father”?if you receive the spirit of Christ who is it that gives it ,
if you possess it what makes it visible ??
this is what Paul talks about in Phillipian
what WJ try to implant is religion believe
WHO IS THE WORD?
(John 1:1)In John 1:1 the writer is very plain in telling us who the 'word' was. He says the word was God. Now we must find out who God is and we will then know who the word is. Let's see who John says God is. Let's go to v.18 of this same chapter. John tells us that God is the Father, not Jesus the only begotten son. Now if we can believe John that God is the Father let's examine the Scripture back to v.1. We find the word 'God' in v.13 and John said God was the Father. In v.12, we find the word 'God,' and keeping this in context with v. 18, John has said God is the Father, not the son. Now let's go back to v.6. Here we find the word 'God'. Again staying in the context of John 1:18, John has said that God is the Father, not the son.Now let's go to v.2. We find the word 'God' again. Staying in context with John 1:18. John tells us God is the Father, not the son Jesus. Now last of all, let's go to v.1 where we find God two times. Again staying in context with v.18, we find John telling us that God is the Father ,not the son. Since John says God is the Father then the 'word' was God the Father. not Jesus the son. Believest thou this? Since God is made up of His 'word', the 'word' can be with God and be God – not another person. According to John there is only one person mentioned in John 1:1. That one person is God the Father, the Almighty.
In John 1:14, this same 'word' that was God the Father (because the word was in the Father) produced His son Jesus. The 'word' in John 1:14 is not Jesus. The 'word', God the Father, produced Jesus. The word (in God the Father) 'made' flesh or an earthly fleshly tabernacle for Jesus to dwell in. This was not a new thing because the same 'word' in God the Father had produced a fleshly tabernacle for Adam, for Eve, for monkeys, for giraffes, for elephants, and etc. This same thing is shown in 1 Cor. 15:39 where Paul said “all flesh is not the same flesh but there is one kind of flesh for men, another flesh of beats, another of fishes and another of birds. The 'word' with and in God the Father made or produced all of those kinds of flesh and later produced a fleshly body for Jesus.
A deeper understanding of this is that he word or doctrine in God the Father produced the flesh [word or doctrine] in Jesus Christ's mind. We find Jesus' flesh being his word in John 6:51 and 63. We have enclosed an article on John 1:1-18 with lines drawn on it so you can better understand that the 'word' in John 1:1 is God the Father, not Jesus the son.
One other point on John 1:1 is found in John 20:31. “But these are written, that ye might believe Jesus is the Christ, the son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” This is John's reason for writing this whole book of John. His reason was to prove that Jesus was the son of God and not that Jesus was God. One is completely out of context when saying that John 1:1 is saying Jesus was God. That is the opposite in John's purpose for writing this book of John. Let's stay in context throughout this whole book of John by understanding the three reasons that John give for writing this whole book. 1. That Jesus is the Christ. 2. That Jesus is the son of God. 3. That we might have life by believing what he wrote.
Eddie Baker
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Ph # 816 263 9709Yahchanan [John] 1:18 – No man has seen Yahweh at any time; the only begotten son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared [him] (A.K.J.V. – Edited and with Yahweh's Name Restored).
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Father Yahweh's word is just that, Father Yahweh's word. Father Yahweh's word is not a separate being apart from Himself that pre-existed with Him in the beginning and that created the heavens and the earth and all things in them. Yahshua is not his and our Father Yahweh's word, but the spokesman of his and our Father Yahweh's word in this last time period as Hebrews 1:1-2 makes perfectly clear. This is why his name/title is called “The Word of Yahweh” in Revelation. Note that this does not say that Yahshua “IS” or “WAS” the word of Yahweh! Nowhere in Scripture does it ever teach that Yahshua “IS” or “WAS” the word of Yahweh or that Yahshua “IS” “God”!
Many are deceived into believing that the “word” (that has been deliberately CAPITALIZED on and PERSONIFIED in translation) spoken of in Yahchanan [John] 1:1 is literally Father Yahweh's word as a separate being apart from Himself that pre-existed as His son Yahshua. This was done to confuse one into believing in a “Triune God”.
Note John 1:1 in the following translations which does not give personification of Father Yahweh's word as a separate being apart from Himself:
1. “All things were made by it” (Tyndale, 1534)
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2. “The worde … All things were made by the same” (Coverdale, 1535)
3. “All things were made by it and without it nothing was made” (Matthews’ Bible, 1537)
4. “All things were made by it and without it was made nothing that was made” (The Great Bible, 1539)
5. “All things were made by it” (Taverner NT, 1540)
6. “All things were made by it”(Whittingham, 1557)
7. “All things were made by it” (The Geneva Bible, 1560)
8. “All things were made by it” (Bishops’ Bible, 1568)
9. “All things were made by it” (Tomson NT, 1607)
10. “Nor can anything be produced that has been made without it [Reason]” (John LeClerc, 1701)
11. “The word … through the same all things were made” (Mortimer, 1761)
12. “In the beginning was Wisdom … All things were made by it” (Wakefield NT, 1791)
13. “The Word … All things were made by it” (Alexander Campbell, founder of the Church of Christ, 1826)
14. “The Word … All things were formed by it” (Dickinson, A New and Corrected Version of the NT, 1833)
15. “All things were made by it” (Barnard, 1847)
16. “Through it [the logos] everything was done” (Wilson, Emphatic Diaglott, 1864)In the beginning was the LOGOS, and the LOGOS was with GOD, and the LOGOS was God. This was in the Beginning with GOD. Through it every thing was done; and without it not even one thing was done, which has been done.
17. “All things through it arose into being” (Folsom, 1869)
18. “All things were made through it” (Sharpe, Revision of the Authorized English Version, 1898)
19. “All things were made by the Love thought” (Goddard, 1916)
20. “All things came into being in this God-conception and apart from it came not anything into being that came into being” (Overbury, 1925)
21. “All came into being through it” (Knoch, 1926)
22. “The word … the living expression of the Father’s thought” (Blount, Half Hours with John’sGospel, 1930)
23. “The word was god” (C.C. Torrey, The Four Gospels, 1933)
24. “Through the divine reason all things came into being” (Wade, The Documents of the NT Translated, 1934)
25. “Without it nothing created sprang into existence” (Johannes Greber, 1937)
26. “It was in the beginning with God, by its activity all things came into being” (Martin Dibelius, The Message of Jesus Christ, translated by F.C. Grant, 1939)
27. “Through its agency all things came into being and apart from it has not one thing come to be” (William Temple, Archbishop of Canterbury, Readings from St. John’s Gospel, 1939)
28. “The energizing mind was in existence from the very beginning” (Crofts, The Four Gospels, 1949)
29. “First there was the Thought and the Thought was in God … He, him” (Hoare, Translation from the Greek, 1949)
30. “In the beginning God expressed
Himself … That personal expression, that word … He” (J.B. Philips, NT in Modern English, 1958)
31. “All was done through it” (Tomanek, 1958)
32. “The Word was the life principle [in creation]” (William Barclay, NT, 1969)
33. “This same idea was at home with God when life began … He” (Jordan, Cottonpatch Version, 1970)
34. “All things became what they are through the Word” (Dale, NT, 1973)
35. “Within the Word was life” (Edington, 1976)
36. “It was his last werd. Ony it come first” (Gospels in Scouse, 1977)
37. “By it everything had being, and without it nothing had being” (Schonfield, The Original NT, 1985)
38. “All things were made through the Word” (Inclusive Language Lectionary, 1986)
39. “In the beginning was the Plan of Yahweh. All things were done according to it” (Hawkins, Book of Yahweh, 1987)
40. “All things happened through it” (Gaus, Unvarnished NT, 1991)
41. “In the beginning was the divine word and wisdom … everything came to be by means of it” (Robert Miller, The Complete Gospels, Annotated Scholars’ Version, 1992Clearly Yahshua is the spokesman of Father Yahweh's word in this last time period!
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John Chapter One
John 1:1 in the Greek reads “God was the word,” but most if not all English versions read, “the Word was God.” This reverses the phrase, and changes the meaning. To say “God was the word” is not the same as, “the Word was God.”
In the Greek, the letter l in logos is not capitalized, even tho when proper, some Greek words are capitalized. But in English versions, the l is capitalized – improperly. Why? To enhance the doctrine of the Trinity, which gave birth to the theory of the Pre-existence of Yahshua.
In verse 3 & 10, the Greek word dia is translated “through.” Since Scriptures both in the O.T. and the N.T. tell us that Yahweh (the Supreme Being) (1) created all things, (2) with no help from anyone, and (3) that no Deity was with him in the act of creating, then John 1:3 must agree with these Scriptures, especially with those in the O.T. (since the Messiah and the Apostles proved their doctrine by the O.T.). After all, The N.T. depends on the O.T. for its reason to exist. Please see the paper “Who Is the Creator?”
“Through” is not technically a wrong translation of the word dia, if the message of the sentence indicates this. But just as Hebrews 1:1-2, and Col. 1:15-17, the word dia should be translated “on account of,” or “because of.” Reason? The message in the sentence demands this. The word dia is often translated “on account of,” or “because of.”
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Voy
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YAHSHUA: Did He Pre-exist?
An Explanation Of Our Views
By Voy Wilks
10/23/90Following is an excerpt from:
Jesus Did Not Pre-Exist
In The Beginning Was The Word (John 1)
John's Gospel commences with this statement, and goes on to state that this word was with God and was God, and made all things (vv. 1-4). And because the title, Word of God, is applied to the Lord Jesus in Revelation 19:13, it is claimed that these verses in John relate to a pre-existent Christ.
If this were so, however, it would make the Bible appear hopelessly contradictory, for such reference as: “I will be his Father, and He shall be my son,” “I will make him My firstborn,” “Jesus Christ the son of Abraham the son of David” are at variance with the teaching that represents Jesus as already living.
The Greek term translated “word” is logos. It signifies the outward form of inward thought or reason, or the spoken word as illustrative of thought, wisdom and doctrine.
John is teaching that in the very beginning, God's purpose, wisdom or revelation had been in evidence. It was “with God” in that it emanated from him; it “was God” in that it represented Him to mankind [a similar expression is used by Christ in Matthew 26:28: “This is my blood” — that is, this represents my blood. Again in Matthew 13:20: “the same is he” signifies the same, “represents he.” “That rock was Christ” (1 Cor. 10:4), it represented Christ]; and it became the motive power of all that God did, for all was made with it in mind, and it presented the hope of life to mankind (see John 1: 3-4).
What John is stating, therefore, is that in the very beginning there existed the wisdom or purpose of God, and that it was revealed unto men to provide a way of life.
What did it proclaim?
The coming of one who would overcome sin and give reality to the hope of life. The promise of this was stated from the beginning in the Word or Doctrine of God (e.g. Genesis 3:15).
This Word, Wisdom or Doctrine found its reality, its substance, its confirmation (Romans 15:8) in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ; therefore John taught:
“The word was made (Greek-ginomai “became”) flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth” (John 1:14).
The Word was made flesh, or became flesh, as it is expressed in the Greek. The Declaration of Divine wisdom found its substance and reality in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ. Before his advent, it was a mere Word or Promise, but when he became manifested, it became a person.
The person did not exist before the birth of the child Jesus; but the promise and wisdom of God always existed.
That is the teaching of John. It does away with the embarrassment of teaching that an angel became an embryo in the womb of a woman, as demanded by the theory of a pre-existent Jesus.
We acknowledge that “Word” is personalized as “him”, in John 1:4, but that is a common Hebraism found throughout the Bible. Riches, Wisdom, Sin, and other subjects are similarly treated. Sometimes these are used to press the doctrine of pre-existence. For example, on several occasions, Jehovah's Witnesses have drawn attention to such passages as Proverbs 8:22, and applied them to their notion of a pre-existent Jesus. The passage reads:
“The Lord possessed me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old.”
The subject matter of the chapter is wisdom which is personified; but, unfortunately for the doctrine of the preexistent son, it is personified as a woman: “She standeth, she crieth” etc. (Prov. 8:1-3).
JOHN 1:1
Semantics Count
By Sidney HatchWhat does John 1:1 really say? We were discussing the person Yahshua when someone said, “'In the beginning was the word, and the word was with YHWH and the word was YHWH.' There, that proves that Yahshua was YHWH.”
John 1:1 was the Scripture quoted. It is a common assumption that this teaches the deity of Yahshua. Word” in Greek is “logos.” It occurs more than 300 times in the New Testament, and simply means a spoken word, a teaching, a report, etc.
John 1:1 says three things about this “logos,” or spoken word:
(1) It was in the beginning.
(2) It was with YHWH.
(3) It was YHWH.What do these remarkable statements mean?
(1) The phrase, “in the beginning,” tells us immediately that John speaks of the creation; the events described in Genesis 1:1.
(2) The spoken word of YHWH was the great force in those momentous days.
(3) To say that the word was “with YHWH” tells us that it was the spoken word of YHWH himself, not that of another person.
Here John answers the Gnostic idea that YHWH is too aloof and remote to have done the creating himself, and so did the creating through an agent. This [thoroughly Greek] idea * penetrated Christianity with the teaching that the second person of a triune YHWH did the creating. (Colossians 1:16 does not say that Yahshua created all things. It
says that YHWH created all things because of Him and for Him).To say that the spoken word was YHWH, is a Hebraic way of saying that YHWH's word was mighty and powerful. The Greek word “theos” is the equivalent of the Hebrew “elohim,” which means essentially that something is mighty or powerful.
John 1:3 tells us that the world was created by the spoken word: “All things were made by it; and without it was not anything made that was made.” This is confirmed in Psalms 33:6-9, which says YHWH spoke, and it was done, He commanded, and the world stood fast.
Finally, the 14th verse of John 1 tells us this “logos” or spoken word was made flesh, a human being, and dwelt among us. It does not say that YHWH became flesh. It says that YHWH created “flesh.” a human being, who would be His messenger or spokesman.
The purpose of the entire message in John 1:1-18 is to prove that Yahshua was YHWH's Messenger, the final expression of His purpose and will to the world. He [YHWH] was the spoken word … Hebrews 1:1-2 sums it all up when it says in times past YHWH spoke in various and fragmentary ways, especially through the prophets, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son.”
This person (mentioned above) thinks of John 1:1 as though it reads, “In the beginning was Yahshua, and Yahshua was with YHWH, and Yahshua was YHWH.” This is indeed a popular understanding of this verse, and Christian people can ** hardly be blamed , because responsibility rest upon the shoulders of religious professionals who teach this. That, however, is not what it says.
An amplified paraphrase of John 1:1 would be as follows: “YHWH's spoken word was in the beginning at creation. It was His word, not the word of another, and it [His spoken word] was mighty and powerful – sufficiently powerful to create all things.”
* Voy's note:
“Logos”, a Greek word meaning speech , organization, rational order, rational relationship, or rational expression common in Greek philosophical writings” (Encyclopedia. Judaica, article: Logos).
In the “Sixth Letter,” sometime attributed to that Greek philosopher, Plato, “the son of the true god is identified as the divine governor and origin of all things present and future” (Ibid).
Does this sound familiar? It certainly does. This is the Christian view of the Nazarene who died on the tree, being son of the Supreme G-d, he (not his Father) is honored as the Creator.
Just as the early Greek and Gentile Christians retained their pagan doctrines of the immorality of the soul, of the Trinity, of the pagan holidays such as Christmas, Ester, Halloween, and Mat Day; they also retained their belief that it was the “son of the Supreme G-d” who did the actual work in creating the universe. Only one step further brought them to the analogy of identifying Yahshua as this Son who created the heavens and the earth.
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He also told them this parable: “Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit? (Lukyah 6:39; Mattithyah [Matthew]15:13-14).
John 1 Properly Translated by the Late Professor of the Exegesis of Holy Scripture at the University of Oxford
Some people say, “I don't need scholars. I just read my Bible.” This statement contains a hidden fallacy. The Bible you read (unless you are reading the Greek and Hebrew) comes to you via a scholar or scholars who have decided to translate it in a certain way. But you may not know that other equally distinguished linguists and scholars offer a very different understanding.Many think that John 1:1, 2, 14 mean “In the beginning was the Word – that is, the Son of God – and the Son was with God and all things were made by him, the Son…and the Son became flesh.”
But here is what John really intended according to other scholars and based on John's very Jewish background in the Hebrew Bible:
“In the beginning was the purpose, the purpose in the mind of God, the purpose which was God's own being… this purpose took human form in Jesus of Nazareth” (G.B. Caird, New Testament Theology, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1995, p. 332).
This translation avoids the appalling complexities of Trinitarianism, which no one can explain. John did not teach that the Son was alive before his birth. What “preexisted” was a Purpose – God's logos, or Purpose – not the Son. The Son first came into being when he was created as the Second Adam in the womb of his mother Mary – by miracle. He is indeed the promised “seed of the woman.” The Jewish people believed only in preexisting Purposes, not in preexisting Persons. The capital W on Word in your Bible comes to you because of the decision of a scholar, who expects John to teach that the word was a Person preexisting. There is no such capital letter in the Greek text of John – and no need to think of the word as other than a”word/promise/purpose.” Word had occurred 1655 times in the Old Testament and never meant a Person, not once! “As a man thinks, so is he.” “As God thinks and plans, so is He.” Thus “the word was God and all things came into being through the word.”
Following is an emphasized translation done by 'kids in america' (which I have personally edited w/RESTORATION OF NAMES) at:
http://www.city-data.com/forum….-9.html“We declare to you what was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the word of life– this life was revealed, and we have seen it and testify to it, and declare to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us — we declare to you what we have seen and heard so that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His son Yahshua Messiah. We are writing these things so that our joy may be complete. This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that Yahweh is light and in Him there is no darkness at all. ” (1 Yahchanan [John] 1:1-5).
“In the beginning was the word, and the word was with Yahweh, and Yahweh was the word. This was in the beginning with Yahweh. All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being. In it was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light is appearing in the darkness, and the darkness grasped it not. And the word became flesh and tabernacles among us, and we gaze at his esteem, an esteem as of an only-begotten from the Father, full of favor and truth.” (Yahchanan [John] 1:1-5,14).
SOURCEHi Frank
Your source says
“A deeper understanding of this is that he word or doctrine in God the Father produced the flesh [word or doctrine] in Jesus Christ's mind. We find Jesus' flesh being his word in John 6:51 and 63. “Sounds gnostic
Hi T,
Whose Spirit does the Bible say we have recieved that crys “Abba Father”?
THE SPIRIT-OF CHRISTif you receive the spirit of Christ who is it that gives it ,
JESUS THROUGH HIS BROTHERS OR DIRECTLYif you possess it what makes it visible ??
THE POWERS AND FRUIT OF THE SPIRITQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,09:20) Hi Frank
Your source says
“A deeper understanding of this is that he word or doctrine in God the Father produced the flesh [word or doctrine] in Jesus Christ's mind. We find Jesus' flesh being his word in John 6:51 and 63. “Sounds gnostic
Nick,You obviously do not know what you are talking about!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,16:51) Hi T,
Whose Spirit does the Bible say we have recieved that crys “Abba Father”?
THE SPIRIT-OF CHRISTif you receive the spirit of Christ who is it that gives it ,
JESUS THROUGH HIS BROTHERS OR DIRECTLYif you possess it what makes it visible ??
THE POWERS AND FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT
Nif you receive it then you have already produced the fruits of it ,
the spirit of Christ is not a bags of goodies that are hand over to you ,but is a additional blessing to and for what you have already acquired in Gods service
For Yahweh has not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind (2 Timothy 1:7).
This same spirit Father Yahweh gave to His son Yahshua which is “the spirit of Messiah”.
There is one body, and one spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling; … (Ephesians 4:4).
the WORD in john 1.1 is the son of GOD and not the father.
john 114 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
the son of GOD is GOD by nature.
john 1.1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.that's what the bible says.
Hi Jammin,
Indeed by the Anointing of the Spirit the Nazarene became the Christ, the Son of the living God.Quote (jammin @ April 04 2012,12:11) the WORD in john 1.1 is the son of GOD and not the father.
john 114 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
the son of GOD is GOD by nature.
john 1.1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.that's what the bible says.
I myself do not believe such foolishness! I believe that Father Yahweh's word is just that, His word, and that His word is has power, strength or might. I do not believe that Father Yahweh's word is a separate being that exist apart from Him as His son. Yahshua is the spokesman of his and our Father Yahweh's word in this last time period as Hebrews 1:1-2 makes perfectly clear. Nowhere in Scripture does it ever say or teach “the WORD is the son of GOD.”Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ April 04 2012,07:25) Quote (jammin @ April 04 2012,12:11) the WORD in john 1.1 is the son of GOD and not the father.
john 114 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
the son of GOD is GOD by nature.
john 1.1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.that's what the bible says.
I myself do not believe such foolishness! I believe that Father Yahweh's word is just that, His word, and that His word is has power, strength or might. I do not believe that Father Yahweh's word is a separate being that exist apart from Him as His son. Yahshua is the spokesman of his and our Father Yahweh's word in this last time period as Hebrews 1:1-2 makes perfectly clear. Nowhere in Scripture does it ever say or teach “the WORD is the son of GOD.”
Frank4YAHWEH,The Anointed is more than just a spokesman; as I am sure you will agree.
Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2012,12:34) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ April 04 2012,07:25) Quote (jammin @ April 04 2012,12:11) the WORD in john 1.1 is the son of GOD and not the father.
john 114 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
the son of GOD is GOD by nature.
john 1.1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.that's what the bible says.
I myself do not believe such foolishness! I believe that Father Yahweh's word is just that, His word, and that His word is has power, strength or might. I do not believe that Father Yahweh's word is a separate being that exist apart from Him as His son. Yahshua is the spokesman of his and our Father Yahweh's word in this last time period as Hebrews 1:1-2 makes perfectly clear. Nowhere in Scripture does it ever say or teach “the WORD is the son of GOD.”
Frank4YAHWEH,The Anointed is more than just a spokesman; as I am sure you will agree.
Yes, I would agree, but in reference to Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word, he is in fact the spokesman of His word.Quote (jammin @ April 04 2012,12:35) frank, that is what the bible says.
now make your own version LOL
That is how Trinitarian translators translated their so-called “Holy Bible”. They have perverted, twisted and wrested Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word to their own destruction and in turn how many are deceived by these types of translations.Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ April 04 2012,05:44) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,09:20) Hi Frank
Your source says
“A deeper understanding of this is that he word or doctrine in God the Father produced the flesh [word or doctrine] in Jesus Christ's mind. We find Jesus' flesh being his word in John 6:51 and 63. “Sounds gnostic
Nick,You obviously do not know what you are talking about!
Frank,Your source is long and convoluted. It is also technical. See if you can break it down to smaller bites that the non-technical mind can grasp.
Why is the Word Yahweh?
Why is the Word with Yahweh in the beginning?Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ April 04 2012,12:47) Quote (jammin @ April 04 2012,12:35) frank, that is what the bible says.
now make your own version LOL
That is how Trinitarian translators translated their so-called “Holy Bible”. They have perverted, twisted and wrested Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word to their own destruction and in turn how many are deceived by these types of translations.
really??LOL
give me any single translation that says in john 1.1 that the word is the father.
i double dare you
you may start searching now LOL
Quote (jammin @ April 04 2012,12:35) frank, that is what the bible says.
now make your own version LOL
These Trinitarian translators have made their own versions long ago and still to this very time period continue to publish such perverted, twisted and wrested versions in a vain attempt to promote their “Triune God”.really??
LOL
give me any single translation that says in john 1.1 that the word is the father.
i double dare you
you may start searching now LOL
Quote (jammin @ April 04 2012,12:48) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ April 04 2012,12:47) Quote (jammin @ April 04 2012,12:35) frank, that is what the bible says.
now make your own version LOL
That is how Trinitarian translators translated their so-called “Holy Bible”. They have perverted, twisted and wrested Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word to their own destruction and in turn how many are deceived by these types of translations.
really??LOL
give me any single translation that says in john 1.1 that the word is the father.
i double dare you
you may start searching now LOL
Where have I ever said that Scripture says “The word is the Father”? I believe I was more specific in saying that Father Yahweh's word is just that, His word, and that His word is and has strength, power, or might. Figuratively speaking though, I do believe that Father Yahweh's word is in fact He himself just as my word is in fact I myself in this forum that I am posting to.Quote (jammin @ April 04 2012,12:54) really?? LOL
give me any single translation that says in john 1.1 that the word is the father.
i double dare you
you may start searching now LOL
I could also turn the table on you and ask you for a single translation that says in Yahchanan [John] 1:1 that the word is the son.
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