JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2007,07:01)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 29 2007,06:32) Quote (Not3in1 @ May 29 2007,06:21) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 28 2007,18:22) I encourage you to listen to some of these messages with open heart! http://www.eadshome.com/Jesuslessons.htm WJ, I visited this site and have a question: It says that there were many who “saw” the LORD, but who did they really see?  The site says that they didn't really see God because you cannot see God.  So they say it was Jesus…….. Was it Jesus that Adam and Eve saw and spoke with in the garden? not3 The same one who created them! Gen 1: 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 26 And God said, *Let us* make man in *our image, after our likeness*:… 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Man is him and yet man is them. God is him and yet God is us! Hi W, Do we have to read between the lines again to find these 'truths”

NH

LOL.

You read between the lines. I simply quote the scripture!

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2007,07:00)

Hi W, You say “Your teachings go outside of the scriptures more than theirs.” So you do admit these teachings go outside of scripture? Then why do you continue to promote what is false? Do you not fear our awesomely powerful God?

LOL!

They make inference like we all do including you NH about certain scriptures, so why are you pretending here that you dont go outside of scriptures with your inferences?

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
I may have a puny mind but I do recognise that an image of anything is not, by definition, that which it images.

You must find it difficult driving the car if you cannot tell which is another vehicle on the road and which is an image of a vehicle in a mirror.

Indeed the monogenes Son who was with God has his own glory and you need to recognise and respect him as the Son of God.

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 29 2007,07:12)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2007,07:00) Hi W, You say “Your teachings go outside of the scriptures more than theirs.” So you do admit these teachings go outside of scripture? Then why do you continue to promote what is false? Do you not fear our awesomely powerful God? LOL! They make inference like we all do including you NH about certain scriptures, so why are you pretending here that you dont go outside of scriptures with your inferences?

Hi W,
Why do you promote those who rely on inference and put them alongside revealed truth as being of equivalent value?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2007,07:13)

Hi W, I may have a puny mind but I do recognise that an image of anything is not, by definition, that which it images. You must find it difficult driving the car if you cannot tell which is another vehicle on the road and which is an image of a vehicle in a mirror. Indeed the monogenes Son who was with God has his own glory and you need to recognise and respect him as the Son of God.

NH

Yes I see you are showing that you do see Christ as a dead image like a mirror!

Do you think that is what the exact representation of his substance means?

That you are looking in a dead mirror. No NH.

Jesus has substance. An image in a mirror does not!

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2007,07:15)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 29 2007,07:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2007,07:00) Hi W, You say “Your teachings go outside of the scriptures more than theirs.” So you do admit these teachings go outside of scripture? Then why do you continue to promote what is false? Do you not fear our awesomely powerful God? LOL! They make inference like we all do including you NH about certain scriptures, so why are you pretending here that you dont go outside of scriptures with your inferences? Hi W, Why do you promote those who rely on inference and put them alongside revealed truth as being of equivalent value?

NH

Jesus was born again at the Jordan right?

Who promotes inferences and puts trust in them?

At least Trinitarians have scriptures for what we believe.

Where is the scripture for the above and also why did you blot out John 12:41 out of your Bible?

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
You should rather abide in scripture and not listen to strangers who have no knowledge of the way of truth and instead worship greek logic and inference. Neither should you tolerate additions to the scripture as that is how we show our love for these precious words and for the God Who wrote them through men.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2007,07:35)

Hi W, You should rather abide in scripture and not listen to strangers who have no knowledge of the way of truth and instead worship greek logic and inference. Neither should you tolerate additions to the scripture as that is how we show our love for these precious words and for the God Who wrote them through men.

NH

Same back to you!

So tell me how you came to the conclusion that John 12:41 is not found in none of the manuscripts?

So it like John 1:1 is not part of your doctrine right?

[Not3in1]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 29 2007,06:42)

Quote (Not3in1 @ May 29 2007,06:34) WJ, so they saw Jesus? not3 I dont know of a scripture that says they “Saw” God! I know it says they talked to God! They Heard him walking!

Since Jesus is the image of the invisible God [Colossians 1:15], then if anyone at anytime has seen God, then we should expect that they saw the image of the invisible God, the Word, Jesus.
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Above is a quote straight from the website that you offered.

I'll ask my question again: “If” Adam and Eve were able to see God in the garden, would it be Jesus that they saw and talked with and not God, himself? Thanks.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Not3in1 @ May 29 2007,06:33)

Nick, thanks for pointing out that other versions can either justify our claims or they can shut them down.  We see what we want to see, sometimes.  We see what we pray is there…..  I am guilty of this as well.  We all have various glasses that we put on from time to time.  Each version, it seems, has it's own unique set of translators on board.  How else could some scriptures be seen as Jesus is God and others say no such thing?

not3

What scriptures that says Jesus is God and others say no such thing?

Could you give me an example?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Not3in1 @ May 29 2007,07:52)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 29 2007,06:42) Quote (Not3in1 @ May 29 2007,06:34) WJ, so they saw Jesus? not3 I dont know of a scripture that says they “Saw” God! I know it says they talked to God! They Heard him walking! Since Jesus is the image of the invisible God [Colossians 1:15], then if anyone at anytime has seen God, then we should expect that they saw the image of the invisible God, the Word, Jesus. ********************************* Above is a quote straight from the website that you offered. I'll ask my question again:  “If” Adam and Eve were able to see God in the garden, would it be Jesus that they saw and talked with and not God, himself?  Thanks.

not3

“If” they saw God it would be the Word/Yeshua!

God manifest himself by the Word who was with God and was God!

Gen 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness Jn 1:1-3, 14

Since Jesus is the image of the invisible God [Colossians 1:15], then if anyone at anytime has seen God, then we should expect that they saw the image of the invisible God, the Word, Jesus.

Good quote. And true. Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen God!

Who else can say that?

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 29 2007,07:47)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2007,07:35) Hi W, You should rather abide in scripture and not listen to strangers who have no knowledge of the way of truth and instead worship greek logic and inference. Neither should you tolerate additions to the scripture as that is how we show our love for these precious words and for the God Who wrote them through men. NH Same back to you! So tell me how you came to the conclusion that John 12:41 is not found in none of the manuscripts? So it like John 1:1 is not part of your doctrine right?

Hi W,
Jn 12.41 is in all the manuscripts.
But the name of JESUS is not found written there in any of them.
Can you find it for us?

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
You say

“”If” they saw God it would be the Word/Yeshua!”

Is this logic equal to scriptural revelation?

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
You say
” Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen God!”
Not quite.
It says the FATHER
But it is good that you acknowledge that the Father is our God.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2007,08:27)

Hi W, You say ” Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen God!” Not quite. It says the FATHER But it is good that you acknowledge that the Father is our God.

NH

Ah so the Father is not God?

What is the difference?

If you have seen me you have seen the Father?

or

If you have seen me you have seen God?

Is there a difference NH?

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
You seem to often misread things seeing images as realities perhaps?
God is the Father.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2007,08:24)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 29 2007,07:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2007,07:35) Hi W, You should rather abide in scripture and not listen to strangers who have no knowledge of the way of truth and instead worship greek logic and inference. Neither should you tolerate additions to the scripture as that is how we show our love for these precious words and for the God Who wrote them through men. NH Same back to you! So tell me how you came to the conclusion that John 12:41 is not found in none of the manuscripts? So it like John 1:1 is not part of your doctrine right? Hi W, Jn 12.41 is in all the manuscripts. But the name of JESUS is not found written there in any of them. Can you find it for us?

MH

Again you do err, for clearly John the Apostle in the context is speaking of Yeshua and ascribing the fulfillment of Isaiahs prophesy to him.

You have the blinders on again NH.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2007,08:25)

Hi W, You say “”If” they saw God it would be the Word/Yeshua!” Is this logic equal to scriptural revelation?

NH

There you go again. Deny the very words of God before you.

You should cry out to God and ask him to open your eyes to the truth.

Yeshua pre-existed his birth and was seen many times in the Hebrew scriptures. Moses wrote about him.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2007,09:10)

Hi W, You seem to often misread things seeing images as realities perhaps? God is the Father.

Ah so now you say Christ who is the exact representation of his substance is not a reality?

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 29 2007,09:11)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2007,08:24) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 29 2007,07:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2007,07:35) Hi W, You should rather abide in scripture and not listen to strangers who have no knowledge of the way of truth and instead worship greek logic and inference. Neither should you tolerate additions to the scripture as that is how we show our love for these precious words and for the God Who wrote them through men. NH Same back to you! So tell me how you came to the conclusion that John 12:41 is not found in none of the manuscripts? So it like John 1:1 is not part of your doctrine right? Hi W, Jn 12.41 is in all the manuscripts. But the name of JESUS is not found written there in any of them. Can you find it for us? MH Again you do err, for clearly John the Apostle in the context is speaking of Yeshua and ascribing the fulfillment of Isaiahs prophesy to him. You have the blinders on again NH.

Hi W,
It may be obvious to those wearing trinity glasses but nonetheless it is not written as such and we should not use logic and presume truth.

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