JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[NickHassan]

Hi Colter,
Are you in a position to interpret scripture for others?
Where are your witnessing verses?

[terraricca]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,13:47)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 25 2012,04:08) colter Quote Jesus taught a saving gospel 3+ years before voluntarily sharing the death experience with mankind.  Death is a normal part of life, this world was never intended to be our permanent home. The salvation of Jesus' gospel was spiritual, transformational and real. Pauls religion about Jesus as a human sacrifice is theoretical, it leap frogs over the necessary personal transformation required to re-establish relations with God. how do you come to this conclusion any scriptures or it is your own view and were is it written that the earth would become a deserted place is not man the permanent resident of the earth ? Quote The original “good news” of Jesus, the word that they taught and lived, the word that people herd and were saved by, the forgiveness already available was not conditioned on the crass injustice of murdering and innocent man to change the cold heart of a changeless God. would you say that the people were saved by just believing there is a difference between being heeled from sickness and from being crippled ,it is another thing to be save and receive eternal live, Yes Scripture: Luke 9:6 So they set out and went from village to village, proclaiming the good news and healing people everywhere…………………………………………………………………….. ……………………………………………………………………………… ……………………………………………………………………………… ………………………………………………… John 13 Simon Peter asked him, “Lord, where are you going?”   Jesus replied, “Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later.” The death of Jesus as a sacrifice for sins cannot possibly have been the foundation of the good news gospel originally taught and practised, the apostles didn't even know he was leaving. After the ascention, the old good news was replaced by the new gospel of human sacrifice. The cross was now the focus not the original message of repentance and spiritual rebirth. But it was not strange that such a thing could happen, the early believers in Jesus were sacrifice minded Jewish converts, they had spent all their life sacrificing to God. The Pagan world, particularly Mithraism, already had these concepts of savoir sacrifice, blood drinking, 12 apostles etc.

colter

you did not answer all the questions,

you answer what i did not ask .

and WHAT WAS THE GOOD NEWS ??

IN MY UNDERSTANDING THERE WAS NO OLD GOOD NEWS,JUST THE GOOD NEWS ,

[NickHassan]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,06:47)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 25 2012,04:08) colter Quote Jesus taught a saving gospel 3+ years before voluntarily sharing the death experience with mankind.  Death is a normal part of life, this world was never intended to be our permanent home. The salvation of Jesus' gospel was spiritual, transformational and real. Pauls religion about Jesus as a human sacrifice is theoretical, it leap frogs over the necessary personal transformation required to re-establish relations with God. how do you come to this conclusion any scriptures or it is your own view and were is it written that the earth would become a deserted place is not man the permanent resident of the earth ? Quote The original “good news” of Jesus, the word that they taught and lived, the word that people herd and were saved by, the forgiveness already available was not conditioned on the crass injustice of murdering and innocent man to change the cold heart of a changeless God. would you say that the people were saved by just believing there is a difference between being heeled from sickness and from being crippled ,it is another thing to be save and receive eternal live, Yes Scripture: Luke 9:6 So they set out and went from village to village, proclaiming the good news and healing people everywhere…………………………………………………………………….. ……………………………………………………………………………… ……………………………………………………………………………… ………………………………………………… John 13 Simon Peter asked him, “Lord, where are you going?”   Jesus replied, “Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later.” The death of Jesus as a sacrifice for sins cannot possibly have been the foundation of the good news gospel originally taught and practised, the apostles didn't even know he was leaving. After the ascention, the old good news was replaced by the new gospel of human sacrifice. The cross was now the focus not the original message of repentance and spiritual rebirth. But it was not strange that such a thing could happen, the early believers in Jesus were sacrifice minded Jewish converts, they had spent all their life sacrificing to God. The Pagan world, particularly Mithraism, already had these concepts of savoir sacrifice, blood drinking, 12 apostles etc.

Hi Colter ,
So you are now able to judge Peter and Paul and the servants of God.
You must be in a very high place.

[NickHassan]

Hi Colter,
The scriptures are Holy.
But you are only dust.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,07:12)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 25 2012,07:02) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,13:47) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 25 2012,04:08) colter Quote Jesus taught a saving gospel 3+ years before voluntarily sharing the death experience with mankind.  Death is a normal part of life, this world was never intended to be our permanent home. The salvation of Jesus' gospel was spiritual, transformational and real. Pauls religion about Jesus as a human sacrifice is theoretical, it leap frogs over the necessary personal transformation required to re-establish relations with God. how do you come to this conclusion any scriptures or it is your own view and were is it written that the earth would become a deserted place is not man the permanent resident of the earth ? Quote The original “good news” of Jesus, the word that they taught and lived, the word that people herd and were saved by, the forgiveness already available was not conditioned on the crass injustice of murdering and innocent man to change the cold heart of a changeless God. would you say that the people were saved by just believing there is a difference between being heeled from sickness and from being crippled ,it is another thing to be save and receive eternal live, Yes Scripture: Luke 9:6 So they set out and went from village to village, proclaiming the good news and healing people everywhere…………………………………………………………………….. ……………………………………………………………………………… ……………………………………………………………………………… ………………………………………………… John 13 Simon Peter asked him, “Lord, where are you going?”   Jesus replied, “Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later.” The death of Jesus as a sacrifice for sins cannot possibly have been the foundation of the good news gospel originally taught and practised, the apostles didn't even know he was leaving. After the ascention, the old good news was replaced by the new gospel of human sacrifice. The cross was now the focus not the original message of repentance and spiritual rebirth. But it was not strange that such a thing could happen, the early believers in Jesus were sacrifice minded Jewish converts, they had spent all their life sacrificing to God. The Pagan world, particularly Mithraism, already had these concepts of savoir sacrifice, blood drinking, 12 apostles etc. colter you did not answer all the questions, you answer what i did not ask . and WHAT WAS THE GOOD NEWS ?? IN MY UNDERSTANDING THERE WAS NO OLD GOOD NEWS,JUST THE GOOD NEWS , The “good news” was that we are saved by faith, not works or sacrifice. That we are ALL sons and daughters of a loving, forgiving, living God, not just a special race of so called “chosen people”, that ALL the people of earth are brothers and sisters. Jesus liberated believers from the yoke of religion, he freed mankind to live free before God, to seek and to do the will of God, loving and serving one another. * I provided scripture * I didn't say anything about a deserted earth so??? * Jesus taught that we are saved by faith, not human sacrifice. Colter

Hi Colter,
Faith in what?
You deny scripture so what is your foundation?

[NickHassan]

Hi Colter,
You have denied the work of the Spirit teaching through the apostles.
Why attempt to divide the Spirit of Christ?

[NickHassan]

Hi Colter,
I agree absurd human religion has caused many to lose faith in God, His Son and the scriptures.
But that only leaves faith in yourself and your ideas to build on
Such is sand. Deep deep to the rock.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,01:04)

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2012,18:49) For Jesus to say I will raise myself up and then to say “God” raised him up is saing the same thing in different ways. So then at one time, death had mastery over God Himself?

Hi Mike

Why do use the word “himself”?    …is God ever not himself?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Colter,
A new form?

He was raised in the old tattered garb to fulfill the prophecy of Jonah.
His sheep hear his voice in Peter and Paul.
Do you not?

[terraricca]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,14:12)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 25 2012,07:02) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,13:47) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 25 2012,04:08) colter Quote Jesus taught a saving gospel 3+ years before voluntarily sharing the death experience with mankind.  Death is a normal part of life, this world was never intended to be our permanent home. The salvation of Jesus' gospel was spiritual, transformational and real. Pauls religion about Jesus as a human sacrifice is theoretical, it leap frogs over the necessary personal transformation required to re-establish relations with God. how do you come to this conclusion any scriptures or it is your own view and were is it written that the earth would become a deserted place is not man the permanent resident of the earth ? Quote The original “good news” of Jesus, the word that they taught and lived, the word that people herd and were saved by, the forgiveness already available was not conditioned on the crass injustice of murdering and innocent man to change the cold heart of a changeless God. would you say that the people were saved by just believing there is a difference between being heeled from sickness and from being crippled ,it is another thing to be save and receive eternal live, Yes Scripture: Luke 9:6 So they set out and went from village to village, proclaiming the good news and healing people everywhere…………………………………………………………………….. ……………………………………………………………………………… ……………………………………………………………………………… ………………………………………………… John 13 Simon Peter asked him, “Lord, where are you going?”   Jesus replied, “Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later.” The death of Jesus as a sacrifice for sins cannot possibly have been the foundation of the good news gospel originally taught and practised, the apostles didn't even know he was leaving. After the ascention, the old good news was replaced by the new gospel of human sacrifice. The cross was now the focus not the original message of repentance and spiritual rebirth. But it was not strange that such a thing could happen, the early believers in Jesus were sacrifice minded Jewish converts, they had spent all their life sacrificing to God. The Pagan world, particularly Mithraism, already had these concepts of savoir sacrifice, blood drinking, 12 apostles etc. colter you did not answer all the questions, you answer what i did not ask . and WHAT WAS THE GOOD NEWS ?? IN MY UNDERSTANDING THERE WAS NO OLD GOOD NEWS,JUST THE GOOD NEWS , The “good news” was that we are saved by faith, not works or sacrifice. That we are ALL sons and daughters of a loving, forgiving, living God, not just a special race of so called “chosen people”, that ALL the people of earth are brothers and sisters. Jesus liberated believers from the yoke of religion, he freed mankind to live free before God, to seek and to do the will of God, loving and serving one another. * I provided scripture * I didn't say anything about a deserted earth so??? * Jesus taught that we are saved by faith, not human sacrifice. Colter

colter

Quote

The “good news” was that we are saved by faith, not works or sacrifice. That we are ALL sons and daughters of a loving, forgiving, living God, not just a special race of so called “chosen people”, that ALL the people of earth are brothers and sisters. Jesus liberated believers from the yoke of religion, he freed mankind to live free before God, to seek and to do the will of God, loving and serving one another.

Jn 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.
Jn 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever—
Jn 14:17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
Jn 14:18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
Jn 14:19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.
Jn 14:20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
Jn 14:21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”

those scriptures seems not to be agreeing with you,you have to obey first

[Ed J]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,04:08)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,03:58) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 24 2012,10:43) Pauls religion about Jesus as a human sacrifice is theoretical, it leap frogs over the necessary personal transformation required to re-establish relations with God. The original “good news” of Jesus, the word that they taught and lived, the word that people herd and were saved by, the forgiveness already available was not conditioned on the crass injustice of murdering and innocent man to change the cold heart of a changeless God. Jesus himself taught that he would be a sacrifice for many.  So this isn't something Paul “made up”.  Instead, it is the very teaching of Jesus, and prophesied about through God's prophets long before it happened. Colter, God so loved the world that He gave His only Son as a once for all time sacrifice to atone for the sins of mankind. No Mike, you just assume that Jesus taught sacrificial atonement  because you have taken your religion second hand. The Christian religion has been promoting that Pagan compromise for centuries. And Jesus did leave the meaning of his death open to interpretation because a gallon can't fit into a quart. “Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.” Colter

Hi Colter,

What do you say about these verses?…

Matt 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem,
and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

Mark 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders,
and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Colter,

How did Jesus end the old covenant?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,10:31)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,09:35) Hi Colter, A new form? He was raised in the old tattered garb to fulfill the prophecy of Jonah. His sheep hear his voice in Peter and Paul. Do you not? LOL! Know your bible Nick! “There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow.” …..and hey look, there's another being coming down from heaven. I wonder if God created that being then and there for the occasion or if he actually came down from heaven like the Son of God did? LOL! A ventriloquise, now we have the voice going through Peter and Paul. Truth fail! John 14:16-17 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. The spirit is in all sincere truth seekers. Are you a real truth seeker Nick or a doctrine defender? You have to get up really early in the morning to fool me brother.     Colter

Hi Colter,
Yes angels often are seen on earth.

But Jesus Christ was not an angel.

Where did you get the idea the Spirit of God indwells those who have not been reborn from above? When does God enter them??

Another gospel?

[Ed J]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,11:17)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,11:03) Hi Colter, How did Jesus end the old covenant? God bless Ed J The coming of the Son was the fulfilment of the agreement, this event was the hope of Abraham's blind faith-trust in God. For this reason Jesus said “Abraham was glad to see my day” The entire national experience of the Jewish people was in preparation for the coming of the Son, not just for the Israelites but for all of mankind. Colter

Hi Colter,

Are you saying that the “old Covenant” is still in effect?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,11:21)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,11:15) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,10:31) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,09:35) Hi Colter, A new form? He was raised in the old tattered garb to fulfill the prophecy of Jonah. His sheep hear his voice in Peter and Paul. Do you not? LOL! Know your bible Nick! “There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow.” …..and hey look, there's another being coming down from heaven. I wonder if God created that being then and there for the occasion or if he actually came down from heaven like the Son of God did? LOL! A ventriloquise, now we have the voice going through Peter and Paul. Truth fail! John 14:16-17 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. The spirit is in all sincere truth seekers. Are you a real truth seeker Nick or a doctrine defender? You have to get up really early in the morning to fool me brother.     Colter Hi Colter, Yes angels often are seen on earth. But Jesus Christ was not an angel. Where did you get the idea the Spirit of God indwells those who have not been reborn from above? When does God enter them?? Another gospel? It's always been available: Ezekiel 36:27 “And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my judgments, and do them.” After Christ we now have the spirit of the Father and Son combined. Colter

Hi Colter,
Indeed God's plan has always been to create a people of His Spirit and He will.
As you say those reborn in the Spirit can know the Father and the Son.
But they can only fellowship with them if the abide in the teaching of CHRIST.[2jn]

Christ was in Paul and Peter.

Do not judge the Spirit.

[NickHassan]

Hi Colter,
The mission of Jesus was towards the Jewish people, servants of God through obedience to the Law[Mt 15.24]
Much of what he taught was concerning their law which he too was obedient to.

We can learn from what he taught in all things bearing in mind we were never under that Law.
As gentiles outside of the Law we were doomed to perish.

It was left to the apostles to carry the gospel to the gentiles so you need to heed their words.

Obedience to the LAW, now demanding perfection, cannot save you

[Ed J]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,11:52)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,11:27) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,11:17) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,11:03) Hi Colter, How did Jesus end the old covenant? God bless Ed J The coming of the Son was the fulfilment of the agreement, this event was the hope of Abraham's blind faith-trust in God. For this reason Jesus said “Abraham was glad to see my day” The entire national experience of the Jewish people was in preparation for the coming of the Son, not just for the Israelites but for all of mankind. Colter Hi Colter, Are you saying that the “old Covenant” is still in effect? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org No, the Jews lost their way, they rejected their calling, the kingdom of heaven was given to other peoples, the nation of Israel came to an inglorious end. Colter

Hi Colter,

How did Jesus institute the “New Covenant”?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,11:52)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,11:27) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,11:17) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,11:03) Hi Colter, How did Jesus end the old covenant? God bless Ed J The coming of the Son was the fulfilment of the agreement, this event was the hope of Abraham's blind faith-trust in God. For this reason Jesus said “Abraham was glad to see my day” The entire national experience of the Jewish people was in preparation for the coming of the Son, not just for the Israelites but for all of mankind. Colter Hi Colter, Are you saying that the “old Covenant” is still in effect? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org No, the Jews lost their way, they rejected their calling, the kingdom of heaven was given to other peoples, the nation of Israel came to an inglorious end. Colter

Hi Colter,
No God has kept a remnant including Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who will recline with other sons in the kingdom [mt 8.11]

Some too responded to Jesus Christ's teaching and some after he died.

Then it was taken BY THE APOSTLES to the gentiles.

Do you believe in ACTS, or parts of it?

Are any of the works of the Spirit in the disciples truth to you?

[NickHassan]

Hi Colter,
So the OT books are on the fire.
What about the gospels of Matthew, Mark ,Luke and John?

James perhaps the letters or or Hebrews?

[Ed J]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,12:11)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,11:57) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,11:52) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,11:27) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,11:17) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,11:03) Hi Colter, How did Jesus end the old covenant? God bless Ed J The coming of the Son was the fulfilment of the agreement, this event was the hope of Abraham's blind faith-trust in God. For this reason Jesus said “Abraham was glad to see my day” The entire national experience of the Jewish people was in preparation for the coming of the Son, not just for the Israelites but for all of mankind. Colter Hi Colter, Are you saying that the “old Covenant” is still in effect? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org No, the Jews lost their way, they rejected their calling, the kingdom of heaven was given to other peoples, the nation of Israel came to an inglorious end. Colter Hi Colter, How did Jesus institute the “New Covenant”? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org The new covenant was written on our hearts. “The days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will plant the kingdoms of Israel and Judah with the offspring of people and of animals. 28 Just as I watched over them to uproot and tear down, and to overthrow, destroy and bring disaster, so I will watch over them to build and to plant,” declares the LORD. 29 “In those days people will no longer say,   ‘The parents have eaten sour grapes,   and the children’s teeth are set on edge.’ 30 Instead, everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—their own teeth will be set on edge. 31 “The days are coming,” declares the LORD,   “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel   and with the people of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant   I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand   to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant,   though I was a husband to[d] them,[e]”            declares the LORD. 33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel   after that time,” declares the LORD. “I will put my law in their minds   and write it on their hearts. I will be their God,   and they will be my people. 34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,   or say to one another, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know me,   from the least of them to the greatest,”            declares the LORD. “For I will forgive their wickedness   and will remember their sins no more.” Colter

Hi Colter,

How was the “New Covenant” instituted?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Author]

Posts