JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

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  • #281684
    jammin
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    barley ,

    do not explain barley. i want you to read in john 1.1 that john says that the word is message or communication.
    read your illusion in john 1.1

    #281685
    barley
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 01 2012,01:30)
    barley ,

    do not explain barley. i want you to read in john 1.1 that john says that the word is message or communication.
    read your illusion in john 1.1


    Have you ever looked up the word logos in a concordance/lexicon to see what the general usage of that word means?

    We are talking about using language here.  God communicates in several ways, including using language

    What does giraffe mean?   What do you think of when you read giraffe?

    What comes to mind when you read pig?

    Hmm.  Several meanings

    a four legged animal.

    someone that eats too much or sloppily as if a pig. Figurative language

    derogatory slang for a policeman.  Again figurative

    a cartoon character by the name of Porky.

    any others?

    How about bank?

    A place of business where money is kept

    the land along a river edge

    the edge of a pool table.

    or the verb forms of bank.

    pig is primarily used of an hooved four legged animal.

    That does not mean it cannot be used in other ways, including figuratively.

    Logos is the same way, the general meaning, the most basic meaning is “the thoughts behind the words used”

    Look them up.  Quit guessing, quit assuming.

    Do your homework.

    Class dismissed.

    barley

    #281686
    jammin
    Participant

    barley i said do not explain. i do not need your opinion. the word logos has a lot of meanings.
    but in john 1.1 it refers to christ. he was called the word!

    now read your opinion in john 1.1 that says the word is a message or communication.

    do not just talk. i want you to read your opinion in john 1.1

    #281687
    barley
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 01 2012,02:37)
    barley i said do not explain. i do not need your opinion. the word logos has a lot of meanings.
    but in john 1.1 it refers to christ. he was called the word!

    now read your opinion in john 1.1 that says the word is a message or communication.

    do not just talk. i want you to read your opinion in john 1.1


    jammin,

    Why would you think that I would not have done that

    the literal and figurative meanings of logos fit perfectly into John 1:1

    It is you that needs to clear up your one track. or is it three in one track mind?

    Why do you keep jammin the pagan concept of a triune god into scripture?

    go do your homework.

    barley

    #281689
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    There is no life in a plan.
    The LOGOS is of the Spirit of life and power.

    #281693
    barley
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,03:35)
    Hi,
    There is no life in a plan.
    The LOGOS is of the Spirit of life and power.


    Indeed,  God 's plan is  a plan for eternal life for man.

    God's plan for man is life.

    God is life, his plans are life.

    His plans are life to those who believe.

    barley

    #281695
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi B,
    Jesus Christ is life to all who know him.
    The rest is theory.

    #281712
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Feb. 29 2012,17:08)
    kerwin,

    do not explain.
    i need your word in john 1.1

    pls read your illusion in john 1.1

    read to me in john 1.1 that john says that the WORD is what comes out of the mouth of GOD.

    if you cant read that in john 1.1 then better luck next time


    Jammin,

    Your words are meant to be an obstacle as they can be turned on you.

    Where do you get that the Word is a being that preexisted Jesus being conceived in John 1:1?

    #281714
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 29 2012,06:47)
    Hi KW,
    The Word[of God's Spirit] was with God.


    Hi Nick,

    Excellent! :)

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    #281715
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 29 2012,10:02)

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 28 2012,00:59)
    Understand how Prophecy works (spiritual eyes)

            “The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” (Rev 13:8)


    That is a poor, faulty translation of that verse, Ed.  Almost all Bibles now render it correctly as all whose names have not been written from the creation of the world in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain.

    What about Simeon, Ed?  God made him a promise that he would see the Christ.  He saw the 8 day old Jesus and thanked God for keeping His promise.

    How do you explain that?


    Hi Mike,

    I explained it with the verse you clipped fro my quote…

    Rom. 4:17-18 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,)
    before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and
    calleth those things which be not as though they were.
    Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations,
    according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.

    It was at Jordan when Jesus became “The Christ”!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #281783
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 01 2012,05:41)

    Quote (jammin @ Feb. 29 2012,17:08)
    kerwin,

    do not explain.
    i need your word in john 1.1

    pls read your illusion in john 1.1

    read to me in john 1.1 that john says that the WORD is what comes out of the mouth of GOD.

    if you cant read that in john 1.1 then better luck next time


    Jammin,

    Your words are meant to be an obstacle as they can be turned on you.

    Where do you get that the Word is a being that preexisted Jesus being conceived in John 1:1?


    kerwin do not explain.
    read your opinion in john 1.1
    ill wait.

    #281784
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (barley @ Mar. 01 2012,02:59)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 01 2012,02:37)
    barley i said do not explain. i do not need your opinion. the word logos has a lot of meanings.
    but in john 1.1 it refers to christ. he was called the word!

    now read your opinion in john 1.1 that says the word is a message or communication.

    do not just talk. i want you to read your opinion in john 1.1


    jammin,

    Why would you think that I would not have done that

    the literal and figurative meanings of logos fit perfectly into John 1:1

    It is you that needs to clear up your one track. or is it three in one track mind?

    Why do you keep jammin the pagan concept of a triune god into scripture?

    go do your homework.

    barley


    therefore you cant read your illusion in john 1.1
    you are just making stories.

    this is what the bible says

    John 1:1

    Contemporary English Version (CEV)
    John 1
    The Word of Life
    1In the beginning was the one

    who is called the Word.

    The Word was with God

    and was truly God.

    John 1:1-2

    Amplified Bible (AMP)
    John 1
    1IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word ([a]Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.

    2He was present originally with God.

    not a message or communication just like your illusion!

    the next time you say about your illusion, make sure you can read that in the bible

    better luck next time

    #281785
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    The WORD WAS GOD.
    Not a separate being from God but of His Spriit

    #281786
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,10:38)
    Hi Jammin,
    The WORD WAS GOD.
    Not a separate being from God but of His Spriit


    hi nick,
    the WORD refers to Christ. he is GOD!
    the father and the son have the same nature.

    #281787
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 01 2012,06:29)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 29 2012,10:02)

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 28 2012,00:59)
    Understand how Prophecy works (spiritual eyes)

            “The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” (Rev 13:8)


    That is a poor, faulty translation of that verse, Ed.  Almost all Bibles now render it correctly as all whose names have not been written from the creation of the world in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain.

    What about Simeon, Ed?  God made him a promise that he would see the Christ.  He saw the 8 day old Jesus and thanked God for keeping His promise.

    How do you explain that?


    Hi Mike,

    I explained it with the verse you clipped fro my quote…

    Rom. 4:17-18 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,)
    before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and
    calleth those things which be not as though they were.
    Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations,
    according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.

    It was at Jordan when Jesus became “The Christ”!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    you are joking edj

    this is what the bible says

    luke 2
    11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord

    there's no jordan river there.

    your illusion will always be an illusion.
    you cant read in the bible that at the jordan river he became christ.
    GOD did not say you became christ at the jordan river.

    rom 4.17-18 refers to abraham
    Romans 4:17-18

    Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
    17 As the Scriptures say, “I have made you a father of many nations.” [a] This is true before God, the one Abraham believed—the God who gives life to the dead and speaks of things that don’t yet exist as if they are real.

    18 There was no hope that Abraham would have children, but Abraham believed God and continued to hope. And that is why he became the father of many nations. As God told him, “You will have many descendants.”

    better luck next time.

    #281788
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    No he is man born in Bethlehem who was found ready to become the firstborn from the dead and given the Spirit of eternal life and power. He showed God's nature because God was in him and working through him
    [Acts 10.38, 2Cor 5.19]

    He desperately tried to explain to the worldly these things but they did not have spiritual ears and wanted to kill him, and did.

    #281790
    jammin
    Participant

    hi nick,

    John 1:1

    Amplified Bible (AMP)
    John 1
    1IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word ([a]Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.

    that is a word for word in the bible. that is CHRIST!

    christ became flesh!
    in verse 14
    John 1:14

    Amplified Bible (AMP)
    14And the Word (Christ) became flesh (human, incarnate) and tabernacled (fixed His tent of flesh, lived awhile) among us; and we [actually] saw His glory (His honor, His majesty), such glory as an only begotten son receives from his father, full of grace (favor, loving-kindness) and truth.

    when he became flesh, he was given a name JESUS

    Luke 1:31

    New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
    31 You will become pregnant and give birth to a son. You must name him Jesus.

    #281791
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Jesus was conceived and born in Israel
    He became the anointed one, Jesus Christ, by the Holy Spirit at the Jordan.
    Now one with the Spirit of Christ his heritage extends back to being the WORD who is God and with God

    #281792
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,10:52)
    Hi Jammin,
    No he is man born in Bethlehem who was found ready to become the firstborn from the dead and given the Spirit of eternal life and power. He showed God's nature because God was in him and working through him
    [Acts 10.38, 2Cor 5.19]

    He desperately tried to explain to the worldly these things but they did not have spiritual ears and wanted to kill him, and did.


    you said:they did not have spiritual ears and wanted to kill him, and did.

    ——-
    you are one of them
    you can not accept the truth that he is GOD who was manifested in the flesh

    και ομολογουμενως μεγα εστιν το της ευσεβειας μυστηριον θεος εφανερωθη εν σαρκι εδικαιωθη εν πνευματι ωφθη αγγελοις εκηρυχθη εν εθνεσιν επιστευθη εν κοσμω ανεληφθη εν δοξη!

    #281793
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,10:59)
    Hi Jammin,
    Jesus was conceived and born in Israel
    He became the anointed one, Jesus Christ, by the Holy Spirit at the Jordan.
    Now one with the Spirit of Christ his heritage extends back to being the WORD who is God and with God


    therefore you believe that he became christ at the jordan? is that what you mean?
    you cant read that anywhere in the bible.
    it is just your illusion.

    you can not read at the jordan that GOD said you became christ here. you are a joker.

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