JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[davidbfun]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2010,19:04)

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 15 2010,03:03) I also wanted to point out to Ed J. The Word of God is just as much God as God himself. Hi RokkaMan,             “HolySpirit“ = “Father: The Word“  … (Click Here) John 14:24  He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and “The Word” which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I(Jesus) should say, and what I should speak. “The Word” is (אלהים) “GOD” (John 1:1)! Jesus is “A Word”! “The Word” (Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 is the 86th prime meaning [אלהים=86] “GOD” ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 (YHVH=63)!  The “HolySpirit” is “The Word”(of God)!               Hebrew↔Greek             (86)אלהים=ο λογος(86th Prime) (ĔL-ō-Hêêm)God=The Word(Hō Lōgôs) (Lōgôs) [λογος]=373 means “Word”, and 373 is the 74th Prime Number! (Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 means “The Word” and 443 is the 86th Prime Number. (John 1:1) “God Word”=86 and אלהים=86 ĔL-ō-Hêêm both equal 86 and ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 means “YHVH”=63. In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to JOSHUA=74, Messiah=74; also in the following: JESUS=74, Cross=74, Gospel=74, עד=74, and even English=74. Jesus Christ (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically: [Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20). [Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40). This symbol ( > ) means GREATER THAN in mathematics The pieces fit together perfectly: “The Word” (86) > “Word” (74). In English it's comparable to (The LORD JEHOVAH) > (Lord Jesus=74) is the “God Son”=74!                                                           “The Owner” > “Owner “                                                                 JEHOVAH > Jesus                                                                           86 > 74 Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hello Ed,

You're funny.

Why do you refuse to accept that the Holy Spirit in Hebrew where you first see Her is (noun, feminine)?

The Professor

[RokkaMan]

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Hi Rm, If the Word of God is Jesus, which you don't want to assert, he isn't infinite as you state. Jesus was finite and the son of God as well as metaphorically, “the word of God”. The “Word” and “word of God” can refer to two different things. One is a separate individual and the other is God's speech which is more of a metaphor than talking about God's physical words leaving His mouth. The Professor

I never said I didn't assert The Word of God was and is Jesus Christ.

lol, seriously?

I'm the biggest advocate for stating that The Word of God, IS INDEED JESUS CHRIST.

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now here is where you're mixed up.

The Word of God, is a spirit

Jesus Christ, was a man

The human physical person and flesh of Jesus Christ, was indeed finite.

but the Spirit in whom he was, was, is and will always be…infinite.

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Don't confuse the finite body with the infinite eternal spirit.

The both came together to become a human being… in the same way our soul/spirit come together with the dust of the world, to create a human being.

[RokkaMan]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,11:10)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2010,19:04) Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 15 2010,03:03) I also wanted to point out to Ed J. The Word of God is just as much God as God himself. Hi RokkaMan,             “HolySpirit“ = “Father: The Word“  … (Click Here) John 14:24  He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and “The Word” which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I(Jesus) should say, and what I should speak. “The Word” is (אלהים) “GOD” (John 1:1)! Jesus is “A Word”! “The Word” (Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 is the 86th prime meaning [אלהים=86] “GOD” ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 (YHVH=63)!  The “HolySpirit” is “The Word”(of God)!               Hebrew↔Greek             (86)אלהים=ο λογος(86th Prime) (ĔL-ō-Hêêm)God=The Word(Hō Lōgôs) (Lōgôs) [λογος]=373 means “Word”, and 373 is the 74th Prime Number! (Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 means “The Word” and 443 is the 86th Prime Number. (John 1:1) “God Word”=86 and אלהים=86 ĔL-ō-Hêêm both equal 86 and ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 means “YHVH”=63. In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to JOSHUA=74, Messiah=74; also in the following: JESUS=74, Cross=74, Gospel=74, עד=74, and even English=74. Jesus Christ (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically: [Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20). [Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40). This symbol ( > ) means GREATER THAN in mathematics The pieces fit together perfectly: “The Word” (86) > “Word” (74). In English it's comparable to (The LORD JEHOVAH) > (Lord Jesus=74) is the “God Son”=74!                                                           “The Owner” > “Owner “                                                                 JEHOVAH > Jesus                                                                           86 > 74 Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hello Ed, You're funny. Why do you refuse to accept that the Holy Spirit in Hebrew where you first see Her is (noun, feminine)? The Professor

Also I'd like to add…

The Word of God; seperate individual and spoken words of God are not two different things as you claim.

They are one in the same.

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Here's your problem.

You're attributing qualities of man, to God.

Just because the words of a MAN, is an inanimate thing (which law of attractionists beg to differ)

does not mean, The Words of God cannot become a created living being.

———

What is creation anyway?

Do you think creation just spontaneously happened?

God our Father, had creation IN THOUGHT… In MIND, and then……

SPOKE IT INTO EXISTENCE.

—–

We live in the – Universe

Uni – singularity, one, single

Verse – phrase, sentence, uttered or written.

Universe = Single spoken sentence.

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God said, “Let there be”

and we were.

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So for you to think God's spoken word, and The Word of God in whom is an individual are two completely seperate things.

You are sadly mistaken, and far from the truth of God.

Edit

Whatever God speaks, proceeds from life…in which life is God himself.

So whatever God speaks, comes to life and has a life.

If he spoke of himself…he brought himself to life unto to creation.

When he spoke of creation, he brought us to life unto himself.

[RokkaMan]

And that life, that he spoke of himself that was brought to creation… is whom we perceive as The only begotten son of The Father.

Jesus Christ.

[Ed J]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 19 2010,08:12)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,11:10) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2010,19:04) Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 15 2010,03:03) I also wanted to point out to Ed J. The Word of God is just as much God as God himself. Hi RokkaMan,             “HolySpirit“ = “Father: The Word“  … (Click Here) John 14:24  He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and “The Word” which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I(Jesus) should say, and what I should speak. “The Word” is (אלהים) “GOD” (John 1:1)! Jesus is “A Word”! “The Word” (Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 is the 86th prime meaning [אלהים=86] “GOD” ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 (YHVH=63)!  The “HolySpirit” is “The Word”(of God)!               Hebrew↔Greek             (86)אלהים=ο λογος(86th Prime) (ĔL-ō-Hêêm)God=The Word(Hō Lōgôs) (Lōgôs) [λογος]=373 means “Word”, and 373 is the 74th Prime Number! (Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 means “The Word” and 443 is the 86th Prime Number. (John 1:1) “God Word”=86 and אלהים=86 ĔL-ō-Hêêm both equal 86 and ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 means “YHVH”=63. In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to JOSHUA=74, Messiah=74; also in the following: JESUS=74, Cross=74, Gospel=74, עד=74, and even English=74. Jesus Christ (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically: [Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20). [Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40). This symbol ( > ) means GREATER THAN in mathematics The pieces fit together perfectly: “The Word” (86) > “Word” (74). In English it's comparable to (The LORD JEHOVAH) > (Lord Jesus=74) is the “God Son”=74!                                                           “The Owner” > “Owner “                                                                 JEHOVAH > Jesus                                                                           86 > 74 Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hello Ed, You're funny. Why do you refuse to accept that the Holy Spirit in Hebrew where you first see Her is (noun, feminine)? The Professor Also I'd like to add… The Word of God; seperate individual and spoken words of God are not two different things as you claim. They are one in the same. —— Here's your problem. You're attributing qualities of man, to God. Just because the words of a MAN, is an inanimate thing (which law of attractionists beg to differ) does not mean, The Words of God cannot become a created living being. ——— What is creation anyway? Do you think creation just spontaneously happened? God our Father, had creation IN THOUGHT… In MIND, and then…… SPOKE IT INTO EXISTENCE. —– We live in the – Universe Uni – singularity, one, single Verse – phrase, sentence, uttered or written. Universe = Single spoken sentence. ——– God said, “Let there be” and we were. ——- So for you to think God's spoken word, and The Word of God in whom is an individual are two completely seperate things. You are sadly mistaken, and far from the truth of God. Edit Whatever God speaks, proceeds from life…in which life is God himself. So whatever God speaks, comes to life and has a life. If he spoke of himself…he brought himself to life unto to creation. When he spoke of creation, he brought us to life unto himself.

Hi RokkaMan,

You turn you back to FACTS and instead bolster the systems of religion?
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.

Prob.9:7 He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame:
and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot.
Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise
man, and he will love thee. Give instruction to a wise
man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man,
and he will increase in learning.

John 1:1…
In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

          English        ↔    Hebrew   ↔      Greek
“Word of God”(86) = (אלהים](86] = [ο λογος](86)th Prime Hō Lōgôs
    “Word of God”   ↔    “GOD”     ↔  “The Word”

I hope me carefully lining this up for you will help you to see “Bible Truth”!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[RokkaMan]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2010,09:29)

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 19 2010,08:12) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,11:10) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2010,19:04) Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 15 2010,03:03) I also wanted to point out to Ed J. The Word of God is just as much God as God himself. Hi RokkaMan,             “HolySpirit“ = “Father: The Word“  … (Click Here) John 14:24  He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and “The Word” which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I(Jesus) should say, and what I should speak. “The Word” is (אלהים) “GOD” (John 1:1)! Jesus is “A Word”! “The Word” (Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 is the 86th prime meaning [אלהים=86] “GOD” ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 (YHVH=63)!  The “HolySpirit” is “The Word”(of God)!               Hebrew↔Greek             (86)אלהים=ο λογος(86th Prime) (ĔL-ō-Hêêm)God=The Word(Hō Lōgôs) (Lōgôs) [λογος]=373 means “Word”, and 373 is the 74th Prime Number! (Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 means “The Word” and 443 is the 86th Prime Number. (John 1:1) “God Word”=86 and אלהים=86 ĔL-ō-Hêêm both equal 86 and ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 means “YHVH”=63. In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to JOSHUA=74, Messiah=74; also in the following: JESUS=74, Cross=74, Gospel=74, עד=74, and even English=74. Jesus Christ (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically: [Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20). [Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40). This symbol ( > ) means GREATER THAN in mathematics The pieces fit together perfectly: “The Word” (86) > “Word” (74). In English it's comparable to (The LORD JEHOVAH) > (Lord Jesus=74) is the “God Son”=74!                                                           “The Owner” > “Owner “                                                                 JEHOVAH > Jesus                                                                           86 > 74 Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hello Ed, You're funny. Why do you refuse to accept that the Holy Spirit in Hebrew where you first see Her is (noun, feminine)? The Professor Also I'd like to add… The Word of God; seperate individual and spoken words of God are not two different things as you claim. They are one in the same. —— Here's your problem. You're attributing qualities of man, to God. Just because the words of a MAN, is an inanimate thing (which law of attractionists beg to differ) does not mean, The Words of God cannot become a created living being. ——— What is creation anyway? Do you think creation just spontaneously happened? God our Father, had creation IN THOUGHT… In MIND, and then…… SPOKE IT INTO EXISTENCE. —– We live in the – Universe Uni – singularity, one, single Verse – phrase, sentence, uttered or written. Universe = Single spoken sentence. ——– God said, “Let there be” and we were. ——- So for you to think God's spoken word, and The Word of God in whom is an individual are two completely seperate things. You are sadly mistaken, and far from the truth of God. Edit Whatever God speaks, proceeds from life…in which life is God himself. So whatever God speaks, comes to life and has a life. If he spoke of himself…he brought himself to life unto to creation. When he spoke of creation, he brought us to life unto himself. Hi RokkaMan, You turn you back to FACTS and instead bolster the systems of religion? The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate… distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit. Prob.9:7 He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot. Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee. Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning. John 1:1… In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.           English        ↔    Hebrew   ↔      Greek “Word of God”(86) = (אלהים](86] = [ο λογος](86)th Prime Hō Lōgôs     “Word of God”   ↔    “GOD”     ↔  “The Word” I hope me carefully lining this up for you will help you to see “Bible Truth”! Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Your response has no meaning whatsoever to what I had posted above.

To me, you just quoted scripture…almost attributing the wise man to yourself…

that's not fair cause, I want to be the wise man!!!! lol

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and

In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

I completely agree.

I understand it like this….

In the beginning was the reflection.
and the reflection was with God.
and the reflection was God.

in the beginning was the image
and the image was with God.
and the image was God.

In the beginning was the perception (of God)
and the perception (of God) was with God
and the perception was God.

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Makes perfect sense… didn't the guy who wrote John 1… call Jesus God?

[Ed J]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 19 2010,19:58)

Makes perfect sense… didn't the guy who wrote John 1… call Jesus God?

Hi RokkaMan,

The Guy that wrote John 1 called “Jesus”=74 the “Son of God”=74.
John 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Baker]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 14 2010,09:21)

What needs to be understood…is that The Word of God is about God himself. —— When it's said that there is no God before YHVH, it's speaking of every other deity that mankind creates and calls God. Whether it be Satan, Money, Behophet, Baal, Gold Cows, Water, Earth, The Sun, The Moon… whatever… None of those things are truly God…nor ever will be. They all come from God, and are part of creation. The Word of God, however… is God revealing himself to creation. It's clear to understand that what is revealed is the same as the revealer. The only difference is…. what is revealed does not encompass the infinite totality of The Revealer. It is limited to what creation can perceive. If there was a being that could perceive God's totality, that being would be equal to God. but there is no such being except God himself. Not even The Word of God can be equal to the totality of God, because The Word of God is limited to what can be perceived. ———— If at any point something other than God, could perceive the totality of YHVH, only then will The Word of God be equal with God. So yes, The Word of God…is God himself for it has potential to encompass the totality…but it never can and never will therefore, forever being The Son of God.

How can the word “OF” God, be God himself?
Would it not have to say then “God the word”?
The Bible “IS” the word “OF” God because it comes “from” God. God spoke it first, before we got to hear it, but we never heard God speak it. It was written down for us to read it, so we know what God had said.
And that's where Jesus comes in, he is the deliverer of the word “OF” God.

Georg

[RokkaMan]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 20 2010,05:16)

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 14 2010,09:21) What needs to be understood…is that The Word of God is about God himself. —— When it's said that there is no God before YHVH, it's speaking of every other deity that mankind creates and calls God. Whether it be Satan, Money, Behophet, Baal, Gold Cows, Water, Earth, The Sun, The Moon… whatever… None of those things are truly God…nor ever will be. They all come from God, and are part of creation. The Word of God, however… is God revealing himself to creation. It's clear to understand that what is revealed is the same as the revealer. The only difference is…. what is revealed does not encompass the infinite totality of The Revealer. It is limited to what creation can perceive. If there was a being that could perceive God's totality, that being would be equal to God. but there is no such being except God himself. Not even The Word of God can be equal to the totality of God, because The Word of God is limited to what can be perceived. ———— If at any point something other than God, could perceive the totality of YHVH, only then will The Word of God be equal with God. So yes, The Word of God…is God himself for it has potential to encompass the totality…but it never can and never will therefore, forever being The Son of God. How can the word “OF” God, be God himself? Would it not have to say then “God the word”? The Bible “IS” the word “OF” God because it comes “from” God. God spoke it first, before we got to hear it, but we never heard God speak it. It was written down for us to read it, so we know what God had said. And that's where Jesus comes in, he is the deliverer of the word “OF” God. Georg

You're wrong and misunderstood.

The Bible is the written Word of God.

The Word of God is a living breathing being.

He is a spirit that is conscious, just like you and me.

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The things of that spirit were written down on paper, and we behold the book that represents that spirit.

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Wow this is perfect…. revelation as I type.
Great question Baker because now everything can be made clear to people who still don't understand where I come from.

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The Word of God is a spirit.

The bible is physical, written down on paper, expression or revelation of That spirit.

This means that The bible represents everything that is OF the spirit (The Word of God).

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Does this mean The Bible itself is actually The Word of God?

No, because the bible is not a spirit.

Yes, because everything that is written is of the spirit.

This means The Bible is a representation, reflection or manifestation of that spirit.

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The Same with with YHVH and The Word of God.

The Word of God is the reflection, and representation of YHVH the Unknowable.

but we can come to KNOW YHVH through his spirit… in the same way we can come to Know The Word of God through the written Bible.

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YHVH = God source of all things
The Word of God = Perfect reflection and representation of YHVH
The Bible = The reflection and representation of The Word of God.

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Everything that happened in the OT was all leading to Christ…

The manifestation of The Word of God in physical human flesh.

His spirit was represented in written pages.

the same way YHVH is represented in the Spirit of Christ (The Word of God).

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again, The Bible isn't literally The Word of God… it is the written representation of The Word of God.

The Same way

The Word of God, isn't literally YHVH God, he is the perfect representation and reflection of YHVH God

This explains why John 1 says… The Word was God.

it means the same thing when you say…

The Bible is The Word of God.

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It isn't the same literally, but it is the same for each completely represents it's predecessor.

Does this clarify where i'm coming from?

[RokkaMan]

Another example would be.

Pick up your bible and say, ” This is God”

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Would that be a sin, or would you feel confident in saying that?

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I'm sure EVERY CHRISTIAN could comfortably pick up their bible and say, ” This is God”

because it's to be understood that The Bible itself ISN”T GOD…but you know everything in it is FROM GOD therefore IS GOD.

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The same with The Word of God…

He is God in the same representative way…but it is to be understood that The Word of God comes FROM God and is not literally HIM.

[Ed J]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 20 2010,05:16)

How can the word “OF” God, be God himself? Would it not have to say then “God the word”? The Bible “IS” the word “OF” God because it comes “from” God. God spoke it first, before we got to hear it, but we never heard God speak it. It was written down for us to read it, so we know what God had said. And that's where Jesus comes in, he is the deliverer of the word “OF” God. Georg

Hi Georg,

Neither the Hebrew Masoretic Texts nor the Greek
language altogether have a word for “OF” in them!
So all you're doing is trying to do is 'spin' the meanings
of Scriptures to match your own understanding of them!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 20 2010,08:53)

Wow this is perfect…. revelation as I type. Great question Baker because now everything can be made clear to people who still don't understand where I come from. ———– The Word of God is a spirit. The bible is physical, written down on paper, expression or revelation of That spirit. This means that The bible represents everything that is OF the spirit (The Word of God).

Hi RokkaMan,

You're so close to getting this right.
The Word of God is THE “Holyspirit”!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[davidbfun]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 19 2010,16:12)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,11:10) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2010,19:04) Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 15 2010,03:03) I also wanted to point out to Ed J. The Word of God is just as much God as God himself. Hi RokkaMan,             “HolySpirit“ = “Father: The Word“  … (Click Here) John 14:24  He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and “The Word” which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I(Jesus) should say, and what I should speak. “The Word” is (אלהים) “GOD” (John 1:1)! Jesus is “A Word”! “The Word” (Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 is the 86th prime meaning [אלהים=86] “GOD” ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 (YHVH=63)!  The “HolySpirit” is “The Word”(of God)!               Hebrew↔Greek             (86)אלהים=ο λογος(86th Prime) (ĔL-ō-Hêêm)God=The Word(Hō Lōgôs) (Lōgôs) [λογος]=373 means “Word”, and 373 is the 74th Prime Number! (Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 means “The Word” and 443 is the 86th Prime Number. (John 1:1) “God Word”=86 and אלהים=86 ĔL-ō-Hêêm both equal 86 and ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 means “YHVH”=63. In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to JOSHUA=74, Messiah=74; also in the following: JESUS=74, Cross=74, Gospel=74, עד=74, and even English=74. Jesus Christ (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically: [Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20). [Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40). This symbol ( > ) means GREATER THAN in mathematics The pieces fit together perfectly: “The Word” (86) > “Word” (74). In English it's comparable to (The LORD JEHOVAH) > (Lord Jesus=74) is the “God Son”=74!                                                           “The Owner” > “Owner “                                                                 JEHOVAH > Jesus                                                                           86 > 74 Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hello Ed, You're funny. Why do you refuse to accept that the Holy Spirit in Hebrew where you first see Her is (noun, feminine)? The Professor Also I'd like to add… The Word of God; seperate individual and spoken words of God are not two different things as you claim. They are one in the same. —— Here's your problem. You're attributing qualities of man, to God. Just because the words of a MAN, is an inanimate thing (which law of attractionists beg to differ) does not mean, The Words of God cannot become a created living being. ——— What is creation anyway? Do you think creation just spontaneously happened? God our Father, had creation IN THOUGHT… In MIND, and then…… SPOKE IT INTO EXISTENCE. —– We live in the – Universe Uni – singularity, one, single Verse – phrase, sentence, uttered or written. Universe = Single spoken sentence. ——– God said, “Let there be” and we were. ——- So for you to think God's spoken word, and The Word of God in whom is an individual are two completely seperate things. You are sadly mistaken, and far from the truth of God. Edit Whatever God speaks, proceeds from life…in which life is God himself. So whatever God speaks, comes to life and has a life. If he spoke of himself…he brought himself to life unto to creation. When he spoke of creation, he brought us to life unto himself.

RM,

There are two “titles” “Word” and “Word of God” which refers to Jesus.

Then there is the literal word of God coming from God's mouth.

Obviously the word coming out of God's mouth is God's.

Problem is when you want to make Jesus = God.

You haven't and won't find any Scripture saying this, especially coming out of Jesus' mouth.

The Professor

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 22 2010,06:56)

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 19 2010,16:12) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,11:10) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2010,19:04) Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 15 2010,03:03) I also wanted to point out to Ed J. The Word of God is just as much God as God himself. Hi RokkaMan,             “HolySpirit“ = “Father: The Word“  … (Click Here) John 14:24  He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and “The Word” which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I(Jesus) should say, and what I should speak. “The Word” is (אלהים) “GOD” (John 1:1)! Jesus is “A Word”! “The Word” (Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 is the 86th prime meaning [אלהים=86] “GOD” ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 (YHVH=63)!  The “HolySpirit” is “The Word”(of God)!               Hebrew↔Greek             (86)אלהים=ο λογος(86th Prime) (ĔL-ō-Hêêm)God=The Word(Hō Lōgôs) (Lōgôs) [λογος]=373 means “Word”, and 373 is the 74th Prime Number! (Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 means “The Word” and 443 is the 86th Prime Number. (John 1:1) “God Word”=86 and אלהים=86 ĔL-ō-Hêêm both equal 86 and ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 means “YHVH”=63. In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to JOSHUA=74, Messiah=74; also in the following: JESUS=74, Cross=74, Gospel=74, עד=74, and even English=74. Jesus Christ (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically: [Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20). [Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40). This symbol ( > ) means GREATER THAN in mathematics The pieces fit together perfectly: “The Word” (86) > “Word” (74). In English it's comparable to (The LORD JEHOVAH) > (Lord Jesus=74) is the “God Son”=74!                                                           “The Owner” > “Owner “                                                                 JEHOVAH > Jesus                                                                           86 > 74 Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hello Ed, You're funny. Why do you refuse to accept that the Holy Spirit in Hebrew where you first see Her is (noun, feminine)? The Professor Also I'd like to add… The Word of God; seperate individual and spoken words of God are not two different things as you claim. They are one in the same. —— Here's your problem. You're attributing qualities of man, to God. Just because the words of a MAN, is an inanimate thing (which law of attractionists beg to differ) does not mean, The Words of God cannot become a created living being. ——— What is creation anyway? Do you think creation just spontaneously happened? God our Father, had creation IN THOUGHT… In MIND, and then…… SPOKE IT INTO EXISTENCE. —– We live in the – Universe Uni – singularity, one, single Verse – phrase, sentence, uttered or written. Universe = Single spoken sentence. ——– God said, “Let there be” and we were. ——- So for you to think God's spoken word, and The Word of God in whom is an individual are two completely seperate things. You are sadly mistaken, and far from the truth of God. Edit Whatever God speaks, proceeds from life…in which life is God himself. So whatever God speaks, comes to life and has a life. If he spoke of himself…he brought himself to life unto to creation. When he spoke of creation, he brought us to life unto himself. RM, There are two “titles” “Word” and “Word of God” which refers to Jesus. Then there is the literal word of God coming from God's mouth. Obviously the word coming out of God's mouth is God's. Problem is when you want to make Jesus = God. You haven't and won't find any Scripture saying this, especially coming out of Jesus' mouth. The Professor

Hi DBF,

'The problem' originates when 'you' try to make Jesus (falsely) “The Word”!

                        Did Jesus multiply?
Acts 12:24 …”The word” of God grew and multiplied.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[davidbfun]

Act 12:24 But the word of the Lord (κύριος kyrios) continued to grow and to be multiplied.

God = theos   Lord = Kyrios

Kyrios is used, thus, showing again it is not one of the titles used by Jesus…and a lack of understanding of what IS WRITTEN.

John 1:1 The Word was WITH God. (θεός theos)

John 1:14 The Word became flesh.

You need to be blocked.  I quote Scripture, you in essence called me a “liar” when you say I am falsely making a claim that is written in the Bible and then you do nothing of the sort to prove that Jesus is not the Word being referred to in John 1.

Ed, this isn't the first time that you have said things like this to me.  I've tried to ignor it.  However, I think I am going to do what Irene said and stop responding to you as should the others that are fed up.

I know that this can't stop you from posting nonsensical quotes, but maybe it will tell you that others are tired of it.

You insert Scripture but apparently have no idead of what it is talking about or you just want to insert something…and this is getting old.

For example in your quote you ask, “Did Jesus multiply?”  If you know that Acts 12:24 is not talking about Jesus, why would you on earth ask this question?

John 1:1 uses θεός theos as  God.  So, you pull up a quote, Acts 12:24, that isn't even the same…..and then try to compare.

Pro 8:13 “The fear of the LORD is to hate evil; Pride and arrogance and the evil way And the perverted mouth, I hate.

The Professor

[RokkaMan]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2010,07:23)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 22 2010,06:56) Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 19 2010,16:12) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,11:10) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2010,19:04) Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 15 2010,03:03) I also wanted to point out to Ed J. The Word of God is just as much God as God himself. Hi RokkaMan,             “HolySpirit“ = “Father: The Word“  … (Click Here) John 14:24  He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and “The Word” which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I(Jesus) should say, and what I should speak. “The Word” is (אלהים) “GOD” (John 1:1)! Jesus is “A Word”! “The Word” (Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 is the 86th prime meaning [אלהים=86] “GOD” ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 (YHVH=63)!  The “HolySpirit” is “The Word”(of God)!               Hebrew↔Greek             (86)אלהים=ο λογος(86th Prime) (ĔL-ō-Hêêm)God=The Word(Hō Lōgôs) (Lōgôs) [λογος]=373 means “Word”, and 373 is the 74th Prime Number! (Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 means “The Word” and 443 is the 86th Prime Number. (John 1:1) “God Word”=86 and אלהים=86 ĔL-ō-Hêêm both equal 86 and ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 means “YHVH”=63. In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to JOSHUA=74, Messiah=74; also in the following: JESUS=74, Cross=74, Gospel=74, עד=74, and even English=74. Jesus Christ (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically: [Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20). [Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40). This symbol ( > ) means GREATER THAN in mathematics The pieces fit together perfectly: “The Word” (86) > “Word” (74). In English it's comparable to (The LORD JEHOVAH) > (Lord Jesus=74) is the “God Son”=74!                                                           “The Owner” > “Owner “                                                                 JEHOVAH > Jesus                                                                           86 > 74 Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hello Ed, You're funny. Why do you refuse to accept that the Holy Spirit in Hebrew where you first see Her is (noun, feminine)? The Professor Also I'd like to add… The Word of God; seperate individual and spoken words of God are not two different things as you claim. They are one in the same. —— Here's your problem. You're attributing qualities of man, to God. Just because the words of a MAN, is an inanimate thing (which law of attractionists beg to differ) does not mean, The Words of God cannot become a created living being. ——— What is creation anyway? Do you think creation just spontaneously happened? God our Father, had creation IN THOUGHT… In MIND, and then…… SPOKE IT INTO EXISTENCE. —– We live in the – Universe Uni – singularity, one, single Verse – phrase, sentence, uttered or written. Universe = Single spoken sentence. ——– God said, “Let there be” and we were. ——- So for you to think God's spoken word, and The Word of God in whom is an individual are two completely seperate things. You are sadly mistaken, and far from the truth of God. Edit Whatever God speaks, proceeds from life…in which life is God himself. So whatever God speaks, comes to life and has a life. If he spoke of himself…he brought himself to life unto to creation. When he spoke of creation, he brought us to life unto himself. RM, There are two “titles” “Word” and “Word of God” which refers to Jesus. Then there is the literal word of God coming from God's mouth. Obviously the word coming out of God's mouth is God's. Problem is when you want to make Jesus = God. You haven't and won't find any Scripture saying this, especially coming out of Jesus' mouth. The Professor Hi DBF, 'The problem' originates when 'you' try to make Jesus (falsely) “The Word”!                         Did Jesus multiply? Acts 12:24 …”The word” of God grew and multiplied. Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Yes Jesus grew and multiplied.

——–

Jesus was a human being in the flesh.

The Word of God is his spirit.

——–

For you to questio
n if Jesus grew and multiplied shows a lack of understanding.

The flesh cannot grow and multiply, but the spirit can.

It grows with awareness.

———-

If only 1 person knew of Jesus, then all of a sudden 1 million people knew of him…

he indeed grew and multiplied.

———-

It would be foolish to think his flesh grew and multiplied when the verse attributes to The Spirit.

———

Was that really so hard to understand?

seriously!

[RokkaMan]

Againb,

you guys need to understand it how Nick Hasaan explains it.

———–

The Word of God is spirit.

Jesus Christ is the man (flesh).

———–

We are to understand that before he was manifested as a man, his consciousness existed as The Word of God.

———–

If any bible verse is referring to The Word of God… we are to understand that it is referring to the pre-incarnate Jesus…

or the same spirit that was in Jesus, or Jesus ressurected at the right hand of The Father.

————

Whether I am dead or alive, my spirit doesn't change, even though my body goes to the grave.

————-

Jesus is and was The Word of God before he came to earth and was called Jesus…

so if the bible refers to The Word of God we are to understand who it is (Jesus).

and to more specificially understand it is The Spirit of Jesus and not The Flesh.

——–

you guys have now drifted into rediculous, 5th grader arguements.

when these things are plainly laid out and understood.

———-
O Jesus couldnt have multiplied because the bible says The Spirit Multiplied therefore they aren't the same

that's so stupid to think in that way…

The Word is the spirit
Jesus is the flesh

they are one in the same…

just like you have a spirit, soul and flesh.

If your spirit is lifted, does that mean your physical body comes off the ground? lol no

so why would you make an arguement steered in that direction?

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 22 2010,09:30)

Act 12:24 But the word of the Lord (κύριος kyrios) continued to grow and to be multiplied. God = theos   Lord = Kyrios Kyrios is used, thus, showing again it is not one of the titles used by Jesus…and a lack of understanding of what IS WRITTEN. John 1:1 The Word was WITH God. (θεός theos) John 1:14 The Word became flesh. The Professor

Hi David,

The Word becomes flesh anytime someone is given the HolySpirit! …(Rom.8:29)
John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God:
for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him(Jesus Christ).

Mark.13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought
beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall
be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the HolySpirit.
Luke 12:12 For the HolySpirit shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
Matt.10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 22 2010,09:30)

You need to be blocked.  I quote Scripture, you in essence called me a “liar” when you say I am falsely making a claim that is written in the Bible and then you do nothing of the sort to prove that Jesus is not the Word being referred to in John 1. Ed, this isn't the first time that you have said things like this to me.  I've tried to ignor it.  However, I think I am going to do what Irene said and stop responding to you as should the others that are fed up. I know that this can't stop you from posting nonsensical quotes, but maybe it will tell you that others are tired of it. You insert Scripture but apparently have no idead of what it is talking about or you just want to insert something…and this is getting old. For example in your quote you ask, “Did Jesus multiply?”  If you know that Acts 12:24 is not talking about Jesus, why would you on earth ask this question? John 1:1 uses θεός theos as  God.  So, you pull up a quote, Acts 12:24, that isn't even the same…..and then try to compare. Pro 8:13 “The fear of the LORD is to hate evil; Pride and arrogance and the evil way And the perverted mouth, I hate.   The Professor

Hi David,

You shouldn't let “Bible Truth”=117 up set you! It's unChristian like. (Col.3:8)
The same wording is used in both Acts 12:24 and John 1:1!
         Is this 'your' way of agreeing with me?

Acts 12:24 …”The word” of God grew and multiplied.
Acts 12:24 …”The word”([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) of God grew and multiplied.

John 1:1…
In the beginning was “The Word”,
and “The Word” was with God,
and “The Word” was God.
and “The Word”(ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) was God.

           English        ↔    Hebrew       ↔    Greek
     “Word of God”  ↔      “God”         ↔ “The Word”
“Word of God”(86) =   (אלהים](86]     = [ο λογος](86)th Prime Hō Lōgôs
         YHVH(63)      = ĔL-ō-Hêêm(63) = The Bible(63)    
 Spirit of God(117) = (117)יהוה האלהים = Bible Truth(117)

                             “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter],
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 23 2010,05:37)

Againb, The Word of God is spirit.

Hi RokkaMan,

“The Word” is the “HolySpirit”! (Click Here)

John 1:1…
In the beginning was “The Word”,
and “The Word” was with God,
and “The Word” was God.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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