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JK…………look up the word “BECAME FLESH”. you will find a word (can not (BECOME) flesh). In fact common sense will tell you that> God's (word) CAME TO BE (IN) FLESH, THE FLESH MAN JESUS, JUST AS IT WAS IN THE PROPHETS OF OLD. “FOR GO SPOKE TO US IN TIMES PAST THROPUGH THE PROPHETS HAS IN THESE LATTER DAYS SPOKEN TO US THORUGH A SON. Now what was being spoken to us by the prophets?, the (WORD) of GOD and what was being Spoken to us by Jesus?, the (WORD) of GOD apsolutely (NO) difference it still was GOD'S WORDS that were being spoken.
JK……….as i have told you many times befor dump that trinitarian and preexistence garbage brother.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 19 2010,01:21) JK…………look up the word “BECAME FLESH”. you will find a word (can not (BECOME) flesh). In fact common sense will tell you that> God's (word) CAME TO BE (IN) FLESH, THE FLESH MAN JESUS, JUST AS IT WAS IN THE PROPHETS OF OLD. “FOR GO SPOKE TO US IN TIMES PAST THROPUGH THE PROPHETS HAS IN THESE LATTER DAYS SPOKEN TO US THORUGH A SON. Now what was being spoken to us by the prophets?, the (WORD) of GOD and what was being Spoken to us by Jesus?, the (WORD) of GOD apsolutely (NO) difference it still was GOD'S WORDS that were being spoken. JK……….as i have told you many times befor dump that trinitarian and preexistence garbage brother.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene
Of course a word cannot become flesh. But a person with that name can.KJ
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 18 2010,08:34) WJ………..So you fill free to just change the words written in John 1:1 from the Word “WORD” to Jesus right even though the Apostle John Wrote “WORD” There. But you claim to not have changed the “WORDS” to fit your Trinitarian and Preexistence views, isn't that somewhat of a Joke? 
GeneJohn tells us who the word is in 1 John 1:1-3 and Rev 19:13, and then tells us that he became flesh in John 1:14, but you have chosen to shut your ears and close your eyes to this fact because of your false Unitarian beliefs.
WJ
Quote (martian @ Aug. 18 2010,08:41) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 18 2010,20:10) To all, It is irrelevant if Martin knows Greek. The question is if William Tyndale knew Greek when he chose the translation he did. Martin gave his reasons for preferring Tyndale's translation over John Wycliffe's in this matter. In conclusion if you prefer Wycliffe's then state why instead of making an irrelevant point. I am interested in hearing.
I do know that time has passed since William Tyndale translated scripture and therefore it is quite possible additional manuscripts have been found. In addition experts in Greek may dispute the correct translation.
Thank you and that was my point exactly. A novice student of manuscripts and translations will tell you that an earlier translation should be given more credence then a later one. Couple that with the persecution and squashing being done by the Catholic Church and it does raise the question of the proper translation.
MartianYou mean like you squash the current translation?
This is a circular argument because nobody in the 21st century would squash a new translation.
You and Kerwin have chose to deny that there is far more information and manuscripts available and that if the proper translation of John 1:1 was as Tyndale says then why have all the major translations which were translated by 100s of qualified experts in Koine Greek rejected him and translated it differently?
If you can present some modern proof by credible Greek scholars that his is right then you may have a point, but simply taking one mans opinion and stacking it against the 100s is obviously a biased move on your part especially since you know nothing of the Greek Also to claim that they were all Trinitarians therefore they were all dishonest is would be a false statement.
Even so as I have said, there are plenty of “Unitarians” like yourself, so why hasn't any one come up with a translation you guys can call your own, rather than you guys tearing apart our current translations.
Could it be that a “Unitarian” translation would be shot down by the cream of Greek Scholarship?
I think this is a relevent point regardless of what you and your Unitarian buddy kerwin says.
WJ
WorshippingJesus said:
Quote Even so as I have said, there are plenty of “Unitarians” like yourself, so why hasn't any one come up with a translation you guys can call your own, rather than you guys tearing apart our current translations. Could it be that a “Unitarian” translation would be shot down by the cream of Greek Scholarship?
the Roo
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 19 2010,01:21) JK…………look up the word “BECAME FLESH”. you will find a word (can not (BECOME) flesh). In fact common sense will tell you that> God's (word) CAME TO BE (IN) FLESH, THE FLESH MAN JESUS, JUST AS IT WAS IN THE PROPHETS OF OLD. “FOR GO SPOKE TO US IN TIMES PAST THROPUGH THE PROPHETS HAS IN THESE LATTER DAYS SPOKEN TO US THORUGH A SON. Now what was being spoken to us by the prophets?, the (WORD) of GOD and what was being Spoken to us by Jesus?, the (WORD) of GOD apsolutely (NO) difference it still was GOD'S WORDS that were being spoken. JK……….as i have told you many times befor dump that trinitarian and preexistence garbage brother.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene
Gene! Why is it so hard for you to understand that? In
Rev. 19:13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
verse 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white Horses.
verse 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sword, that with it, He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself with press the wine press of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
verse And on His robe and on His thigh a name written:”
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.”
What other person fits that description of these Scriptures…. No word can become flesh either. This also goes with John 1:1-14…in verse 4 of John 1 it says also, in Him was life and the life was the light of men.
verse 3 says that all things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made. So does the literal word can do all of that? No
Put your pride aside and learn from this and except it…..its the truth…. it has nothing to do with the trinity either…
Peace Irenehi all
i can not understand why it is you do not believe scriptures;God always was no beginning no end,
the first of his creation THE WORD(the communication)because if your alone you do not have to communicate right;this is also Christ Jesus at a lather date,(was Moses not the communication harm of God to the nation of Israel and his brother and pharaon.
SO CHRIST WAS AND IS LIKE ALWAYS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE WAS MADE TROUGH HIM AND SO NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVING GOD AS IT WAS THE CASE IN THE WORD(CHRIST)ON EARTH THE RELATION BECOMES CONNECTED WITH ADAM,BUT IT WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE POSITION OF CHRIST AS FAR AS BEING THE ONLY SON OF GOD.
ANYONE WHO CANNOT RECIEVE THOSE UNDERSTANDINGS, AS IN NO WAY , COME TO THE TRUTH OF GOD.
GOD WORD IS NOT MADE FOR PERSONAL DEBATE BUT TO AQUIRE UNDERSTANDING IN HIS TRUTH.
Pierre
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 19 2010,00:50) Quote (martian @ Aug. 19 2010,00:46) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 19 2010,00:40) KJ………..Do you also think John was so stupid that he forgot how to spell Jesus' name and could only come up with the Word “WORD” there also. Haven't you ever thought if John meant to mean Jesus he would have just wrote Jesus? My how Trinitariand and Preexistences can just force the written text to mean what in fact in not written and so brazen about it they have no shame. 
There is no reason from a language standpoint to infer Jesus in any of the scriptures that are changed from “word” to “Jesus”. Some will say context but that is in reality only derived by reading a preconceived idea into the context. The tendency to use doctrine to define words is so prevelent that even dictionaries will define Jesus as the word though there is no precedent in historical language of the time or liguistics of the text. the Catholics and their present supporters have done a good job of snowing Christians.
Duh, verse 14 says that the Word became flesh and was called the “only Son.” If this was not Jesus then who was it? Again duh!the Roo
Hi Jack,John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words
of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
The Word becomes flesh to anyone given the HolySpirit! …(Rom.8:29)Mark.13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought
beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall
be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the HolySpirit.
Luke 12:12 For the HolySpirit shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
Matt.10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Aug. 19 2010,18:13) hi all i can not understand why it is you do not believe scriptures;God always was no beginning no end,
the first of his creation THE WORD(the communication)because if your alone you do not have to communicate right;this is also Christ Jesus at a lather date,(was Moses not the communication harm of God to the nation of Israel and his brother and pharaon.
SO CHRIST WAS AND IS LIKE ALWAYS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE WAS MADE TROUGH HIM AND SO NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVING GOD AS IT WAS THE CASE IN THE WORD(CHRIST)ON EARTH THE RELATION BECOMES CONNECTED WITH ADAM,BUT IT WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE POSITION OF CHRIST AS FAR AS BEING THE ONLY SON OF GOD.
ANYONE WHO CANNOT RECIEVE THOSE UNDERSTANDINGS, AS IN NO WAY , COME TO THE TRUTH OF GOD.
GOD WORD IS NOT MADE FOR PERSONAL DEBATE BUT TO AQUIRE UNDERSTANDING IN HIS TRUTH.
Pierre
Pierre,You are so right. God's word is not for “personal” debate but to acquire truth and apply it to our daily lives as well as a united group.
I don't understand why they don't want to believe either the Scriptures. All that you said is exactly what the Bible says, so why do they deny one word or another? Just to debate?
the Professor
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 19 2010,12:30) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 19 2010,18:13) hi all i can not understand why it is you do not believe scriptures;God always was no beginning no end,
the first of his creation THE WORD(the communication)because if your alone you do not have to communicate right;this is also Christ Jesus at a lather date,(was Moses not the communication harm of God to the nation of Israel and his brother and pharaon.
SO CHRIST WAS AND IS LIKE ALWAYS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE WAS MADE TROUGH HIM AND SO NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVING GOD AS IT WAS THE CASE IN THE WORD(CHRIST)ON EARTH THE RELATION BECOMES CONNECTED WITH ADAM,BUT IT WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE POSITION OF CHRIST AS FAR AS BEING THE ONLY SON OF GOD.
ANYONE WHO CANNOT RECIEVE THOSE UNDERSTANDINGS, AS IN NO WAY , COME TO THE TRUTH OF GOD.
GOD WORD IS NOT MADE FOR PERSONAL DEBATE BUT TO AQUIRE UNDERSTANDING IN HIS TRUTH.
Pierre
Pierre,You are so right. God's word is not for “personal” debate but to acquire truth and apply it to our daily lives as well as a united group.
I don't understand why they don't want to believe either the Scriptures. All that you said is exactly what the Bible says, so why do they deny one word or another? Just to debate?
the Professor
Hi David,The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.
Like ignoring Hebrews 7:28 to bolster the systems of religion?Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but
“The word“(HolySpirit) of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore.AKJV Bible
LORD of Hosts (Rev.11:15 / Rom.8:29)
…His Hosts: Jesus and ALL of His brethren!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2010,20:14) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 19 2010,12:30) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 19 2010,18:13) hi all i can not understand why it is you do not believe scriptures;God always was no beginning no end,
the first of his creation THE WORD(the communication)because if your alone you do not have to communicate right;this is also Christ Jesus at a lather date,(was Moses not the communication harm of God to the nation of Israel and his brother and pharaon.
SO CHRIST WAS AND IS LIKE ALWAYS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE WAS MADE TROUGH HIM AND SO NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVING GOD AS IT WAS THE CASE IN THE WORD(CHRIST)ON EARTH THE RELATION BECOMES CONNECTED WITH ADAM,BUT IT WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE POSITION OF CHRIST AS FAR AS BEING THE ONLY SON OF GOD.
ANYONE WHO CANNOT RECIEVE THOSE UNDERSTANDINGS, AS IN NO WAY , COME TO THE TRUTH OF GOD.
GOD WORD IS NOT MADE FOR PERSONAL DEBATE BUT TO AQUIRE UNDERSTANDING IN HIS TRUTH.
Pierre
Pierre,You are so right. God's word is not for “personal” debate but to acquire truth and apply it to our daily lives as well as a united group.
I don't understand why they don't want to believe either the Scriptures. All that you said is exactly what the Bible says, so why do they deny one word or another? Just to debate?
the Professor
Hi David,The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.
Like ignoring Hebrews 7:28 to bolster the systems of religion?Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but
“The word“(HolySpirit) of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore.AKJV Bible
LORD of Hosts (Rev.11:15 / Rom.8:29)
…His Hosts: Jesus and ALL of His brethren!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edji do not understand your remark,to Davidfun
it seems you say nothing to say something is it ?
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 19 2010,13:36) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2010,20:14)
Hi David,The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.
Like ignoring Hebrews 7:28 to bolster the systems of religion?Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but
“The word“(HolySpirit) of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore.AKJV Bible
LORD of Hosts (Rev.11:15 / Rom.8:29)
…His Hosts: Jesus and ALL of His brethren!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edji do not understand your remark,to Davidfun
it seems you say nothing to say something is it ?
Pierre
Hi Terraricca,Of course you don't understand…
you keep calling “The Word” (falsely) the Son instead of
rightly calling “God The Father” “The Word!John 1:1…
In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.English ↔ Hebrew ↔ Greek
“Word of God”(86) = (אלהים](86] = [ο λογος](86)th Prime Hō Lōgôs
“Word of God” ↔ “GOD” ↔ “The Word”I hope me carefully lining this up for you will help you to see “Bible Truth”!
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHey Pierre! How can God be with Himself? I am not debating with Ed, but that is to funny, to think that The Word in John 1:1 is God Himself. He also said to me that it is the Holy Spirit in Rev, 19:13-16
Very interesting indeed….and totally wrong….
Peace IreneQuote (terraricca @ Aug. 19 2010,21:36) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2010,20:14) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 19 2010,12:30) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 19 2010,18:13) hi all i can not understand why it is you do not believe scriptures;God always was no beginning no end,
the first of his creation THE WORD(the communication)because if your alone you do not have to communicate right;this is also Christ Jesus at a lather date,(was Moses not the communication harm of God to the nation of Israel and his brother and pharaon.
SO CHRIST WAS AND IS LIKE ALWAYS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE WAS MADE TROUGH HIM AND SO NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVING GOD AS IT WAS THE CASE IN THE WORD(CHRIST)ON EARTH THE RELATION BECOMES CONNECTED WITH ADAM,BUT IT WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE POSITION OF CHRIST AS FAR AS BEING THE ONLY SON OF GOD.
ANYONE WHO CANNOT RECIEVE THOSE UNDERSTANDINGS, AS IN NO WAY , COME TO THE TRUTH OF GOD.
GOD WORD IS NOT MADE FOR PERSONAL DEBATE BUT TO AQUIRE UNDERSTANDING IN HIS TRUTH.
Pierre
Pierre,You are so right. God's word is not for “personal” debate but to acquire truth and apply it to our daily lives as well as a united group.
I don't understand why they don't want to believe either the Scriptures. All that you said is exactly what the Bible says, so why do they deny one word or another? Just to debate?
the Professor
Hi David,The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.
Like ignoring Hebrews 7:28 to bolster the systems of religion?Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but
“The word“(HolySpirit) of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore.AKJV Bible
LORD of Hosts (Rev.11:15 / Rom.8:29)
…His Hosts: Jesus and ALL of His brethren!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edji do not understand your remark,to Davidfun
it seems you say nothing to say something is it ?
Pierre
Pierre,He likes to post things that mean nothing so he can give numbers to prove it is “truth”. But like you said, it means nothing to what the Thread is about.
Keep these with you and hear the wisdom:
Pro 9:7 He who corrects a scoffer gets dishonor for himself, And he who reproves a wicked man gets insults for himself.
Pro 9:8 Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you, Reprove a wise man and he will love you.
Pierre, you are right, even though you may be limited in English you have understanding of what the Bible is saying. The “Word” is Jesus. Don't let others say otherwise.
v14-17 explains it. v2 says that “HE” was WITH God.
Jhn 1:2 He was in the beginning WITH God.
This shows TWO people: He; God
Jhn 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
From 1:1 and 1:2 Word = He = became flesh
He = begotten from the FatherWord is not Father.
Pierre, you'll notice that Ed will post something that has nothing to do with what we are talking about or the Thread, ignore them and don't respond like Prov 9:7 & 8 say above.
Other people here won't post Scripture either showing where their ideas come from. They will call you names…or say that your ideas are stupid; but they won't prove you wrong with Scriptures.
Maybe these will help you, too, Pierre:
Pro 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; Fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Pro 8:13 “The fear of the LORD is to hate evil; Pride and
arrogance and the evil way And the perverted mouth, I hate.Pro 26:4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Or you will also be like him.
Pro 19:1 Better is a poor man who walks in his integrity Than he who is perverse in speech and is a fool.
Keep studying the Bible and loving God,
The Professor
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2010,13:50) Hi Terraricca, Of course you don't understand…
you keep calling “The Word” (falsely) the Son instead of
rightly calling “God The Father” “The Word!John 1:1…
In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.English ↔ Hebrew ↔ Greek
“Word of God”(86) = (אלהים](86] = [ο λογος](86)th Prime Hō Lōgôs
“Word of God” ↔ “GOD” ↔ “The Word”I hope me carefully lining this up for you will help you to see “Bible Truth”!
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi David,The AKJV Bible English translation is indeed correct!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2010,10:42) Hi Jack, John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words
of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
The Word becomes flesh to anyone given the HolySpirit! …(Rom.8:29)Mark.13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought
beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall
be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the HolySpirit.
Luke 12:12 For the HolySpirit shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
Matt.10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi David,This Post is for you as well.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (davidbfun @ Aug. 19 2010,21:26) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 19 2010,21:36) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2010,20:14) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 19 2010,12:30) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 19 2010,18:13) hi all i can not understand why it is you do not believe scriptures;God always was no beginning no end,
the first of his creation THE WORD(the communication)because if your alone you do not have to communicate right;this is also Christ Jesus at a lather date,(was Moses not the communication harm of God to the nation of Israel and his brother and pharaon.
SO CHRIST WAS AND IS LIKE ALWAYS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE WAS MADE TROUGH HIM AND SO NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVING GOD AS IT WAS THE CASE IN THE WORD(CHRIST)ON EARTH THE RELATION BECOMES CONNECTED WITH ADAM,BUT IT WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE POSITION OF CHRIST AS FAR AS BEING THE ONLY SON OF GOD.
ANYONE WHO CANNOT RECIEVE THOSE UNDERSTANDINGS, AS IN NO WAY , COME TO THE TRUTH OF GOD.
GOD WORD IS NOT MADE FOR PERSONAL DEBATE BUT TO AQUIRE UNDERSTANDING IN HIS TRUTH.
Pierre
Pierre,You are so right. God's word is not for “personal” debate but to acquire truth and apply it to our daily lives as well as a united group.
I don't understand why they don't want to believe either the Scriptures. All that you said is exactly what the Bible says, so why do they deny one word or another? Just to debate?
the Professor
Hi David,The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.
Like ignoring Hebrews 7:28 to bolster the systems of religion?Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but
“The word“(HolySpirit) of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore.AKJV Bible
LORD of Hosts (Rev.11:15 / Rom.8:29)
…His Hosts: Jesus and ALL of His brethren!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edji do not understand your remark,to Davidfun
it seems you say nothing to say something is it ?
Pierre
Pierre,He likes to post things that mean nothing so he can give numbers to prove it is “truth”. But like you said, it means nothing to what the Thread is about.
Keep these with you and hear the wisdom:
Pro 9:7 He who corrects a scoffer gets dishonor for himself, And he who reproves a wicked man gets insults for himself.
Pro 9:8 Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you, Reprove a wise man and he will love you.
Pierre, you are right, even though you may be limited in English you have understanding of what the Bible is saying. The “Word” is Jesus. Don't let others say otherwise.
v14-17 explains it. v2 says that “HE” was WITH God.
Jhn 1:2 He was in the beginning WITH God.
This shows TWO people: He; God
Jhn 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
From 1:1 and 1:2 Word = He = became flesh
He = begotten from the FatherWord is not Father.
Pierre, you'll notice that Ed will post something that has nothing to do with what we are talking about or the Thread, ignore them and don't respond like Prov 9:7 & 8 say above.
Other people here won't post Scripture either showing where their ideas come from. They will call you names…or say that your ideas are stupid; but they won't prove you wrong with Scriptures.
Maybe these will help you, too, Pierre:
Pro 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; Fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Pro 8:13 “The fear of the LORD is to hate evil; Pride and
arrogance and the evil way And the perverted mouth, I hate.Pro 26:4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Or you will also be like him.
Pro 19:1 Better is a poor man who walks in his integrity Than he who is perverse in speech and is a fool.
Keep studying the Bible and loving God,
The Professor
hi Davidfunthanks for all the good advice in those scriptures,it was refreshing to read them again,
i know EDJ is a lost cause he is full of is own thoughts and ways learned from men,he will get a man's reward.
Pierre
Martain,
In Romans 3:13 we are told that those that either have not entered or do live according to the covenant of the spirit of righteousness are spoken of in scripture with the words:
Romans 3:13(NIV) reads:
Quote Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”These words are true as they are corrupt or bias blinds them to the error of their ways. Sometimes these ignorant or corrupt individuals are translators of scriptures and/or other times just those who interpret them. We should always test what we hear, see, and choose to believe to make sure it is truly from God.
If we hunger and thirst for righteousness we will hear God and be able to determine what is from God and what is not but if we do not then we will be blind for the truth will be hidden from us.
I find this discussion unimportant because I listen to God and God tells me that Jesus is our King because he is the one of us human beings that God chose to rule over all of heaven and earth. It is important that we believe Jesus is tempted just as we are since it is a foundation stone of our faith that God will enable us to overcome the world. If you interpret any part of scripture in a way that destroys that foundation stone then you are working at the behest of the evil one.
I have referred to a neuter as a “he” instead of an “it” many times in my life and I knew what I was speaking of. I have also called a male “it”. The fault in John 1 comes if one assumes the “he” is Jesus.
A more legitimate question “is does the context support the conclusion the “he” or “it” in John 1 refer to Jesus? If it does then a second question is whether or not that is the only possible person, place, or thing it could be referring to?
The overriding question is still whether your chosen interpretation is consistent with the true message of Jesus the Anointed or if it instead harms that teaching?
Quote (Baker @ Aug. 19 2010,21:24) Hey Pierre! How can God be with Himself? I am not debating with Ed, but that is to funny, to think that The Word in John 1:1 is God Himself. He also said to me that it is the Holy Spirit in Rev, 19:13-16
Very interesting indeed….and totally wrong….
Peace Irene
hi Irenethank s yea i know the man,and his ways ,he is so lost ,to do what he does ,God must pay him in full as he lives on but only until the end.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 19 2010,15:39) hi Davidfun i know EDJ is a lost cause he is full of is own thoughts and ways learned from men,he will get a man's reward.
Pierre
Hi Terraricca,Matt.7:1-2 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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