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Quote (kerwin @ June 08 2012,13:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2012,01:31) Hi KW,
The lies you claim are just disagreements with your dogma.
Nick;I have prayed; I have looked into these things; and it is clear that the flesh that is given life by the Spirit is not the same as the flesh that is given life by blood.
The flesh of Adam was cursed but that curse will be removed in Jesus Christ; who has become a curse for us.
Kwitch is the flesh that is given life
???I know that the spirit in the flesh received the truth of life ,but flesh
?Quote (terraricca @ June 08 2012,02:17) Quote (kerwin @ June 08 2012,13:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2012,04:01) Hi KW,
God anointed Jesus of Nazareth and he went about doing good and healing…Acts 10
Nick;Does Jesus have the power to heal his flesh if he chooses?
Kwhy
T;It is my answer to Nick's pondering about Jesus' rent and tattered flesh.
Nick, Wakeup, Mike, and Terraricca,
Here are two passages.
Mark 13:20
King James Version (KJV)20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
and
1 Corinthians 15:50
King James Version (KJV)50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
According to the letter of these passages flesh will be saved but not flesh and blood.
If these are idioms then the mortal body will perish but the life will be saved.
The first clearly opposes and the second does not support the Gnostic teaching that the spirit self must be liberated from the flesh.
The only way to support that Gnostic teaching is to be inconsistent in interpretation. If you choose to interpret Scripture inconsistently then why?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2012,03:15) Hi KW,
Would you add in that he healed his flesh?
Nick;Have you considered the possibility that the translators interpreted words to the effect he did not?
Whether or not he did he chose to do what he did for his own righteous reasons.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2012,03:40) Hi KW,
Nobody doubts your determination to be right.
Nick;Scripture does infer that some flesh will be saved when Yawheh cuts time short. Do you disagree with it.
Quote (kerwin @ June 07 2012,13:32) Mike; Are you now meaning to claim that John the Baptist will not inherit the kingdom?
On earth, John the Baptist had “born of a woman” status, meaning that he was flesh; because flesh gives birth to flesh, right? Jesus was saying that among those of flesh, none is greater than John – but the least of those in the Kingdom of heaven (those who are NOT of flesh) is greater than even the greatest flesh being.When John inherits God's Kingdom (if he hasn't already done so), he will no longer be a person whose status is “born of a woman”. Instead, he will then be “born again from above of water and spirit”.
Quote (kerwin @ June 07 2012,13:32) My point that when Scripture declares flesh is saved from the Great Flood; flesh is indeed saved. You are claiming that flesh is not saved in the last days even though Scripture states it is.
No I'm not claiming that at all, Kerwin. But what YOU'RE claiming is that since some flesh will be saved in the last days, it means that those flesh ones will have inherited God's Kingdom IN their flesh state. But scripture says no such thing. In fact, Paul was very clear that flesh cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.For example, YES, flesh was saved during the flood. But does that mean Noah and his sons had entered the Kingdom of God in their flesh state when the waters subsided? Nope.
So why would you think those alive in the flesh at the end, have already inherited God's Kingdom in that flesh state? Even if those still alive were all to inherit the Kingdom of God, it doesn't mean they will do so while still flesh, right?
I assume that those will be some of the ones Paul said would be changed – even though they didn't sleep (die). Remember that not all will sleep, but ALL will be CHANGED. And why is that? Because “flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God”.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 06 2012,20:45) Mike B. Some of us,alive at the coming wil not experience death,but will be change in a twinkle.
wakeup.
Agreed.Quote (kerwin @ June 07 2012,13:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2012,08:17) 2 Kings 6:17
And Elisha prayed, “O LORD, open his eyes so he may see.” Then the LORD opened the servant’s eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.
To all;Did the horses and chariots of fire materialize or were they they there already and God opened the king's eyes to see them?
They were there. Just like Balaam's angel was there and able to be seen by the donkey before God opened Balaam's eyes to see him.Quote (kerwin @ June 08 2012,15:24) Nick, Wake Up, Mike, and Terraria, Here are two passages.
Mark 13:20
King James Version (KJV)20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
and
1 Corinthians 15:50
King James Version (KJV)50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
According to the letter of these passages flesh will be saved but not flesh and blood.
If these are idioms then the mortal body will perish but the life will be saved.
The first clearly opposes and the second does not support the Gnostic teaching that the spirit self must be liberated from the flesh.
The only way to support that Gnostic teaching is to be inconsistent in interpretation. If you choose to interpret Scripture inconsistently then why?
Ksorry but the expression FLESH in scriptures means our live in the world as it stands condemned by the sin of Adam,
it got nothing to do with your connection to flesh and blood,even though it mean the same thing
your application for Mark 13;20 is talking about one thing while Paul in Cor;15;50 talks about some thing else ,
Quote (kerwin @ June 08 2012,15:24) Nick, Wake Up, Mike, and Terraria, Here are two passages.
Mark 13:20
King James Version (KJV)20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
and
1 Corinthians 15:50
King James Version (KJV)50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
According to the letter of these passages flesh will be saved but not flesh and blood.
If these are idioms then the mortal body will perish but the life will be saved.
The first clearly opposes and the second does not support the Gnostic teaching that the spirit self must be liberated from the flesh.
The only way to support that Gnostic teaching is to be inconsistent in interpretation. If you choose to interpret Scripture inconsistently then why?
Ksorry but the expression FLESH in scriptures means our live in the world as it stands condemned by the sin of Adam,
it got nothing to do with your connection to flesh and blood,even though it mean the same thing
your application for Mark 13;20 is talking about one thing while Paul in Cor;15;50 talks about some thing else ,
Jesus was talking about the survivers in Jerusalem ,in Mk13
while Paul talks about the resurrection of the flesh body and going to heaven .
Quote (kerwin @ June 08 2012,08:24) Nick, Wakeup, Mike, and Terraricca, Here are two passages.
Mark 13:20
King James Version (KJV)20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
and
1 Corinthians 15:50
King James Version (KJV)50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
According to the letter of these passages flesh will be saved but not flesh and blood.
If these are idioms then the mortal body will perish but the life will be saved.
The first clearly opposes and the second does not support the Gnostic teaching that the spirit self must be liberated from the flesh.
The only way to support that Gnostic teaching is to be inconsistent in interpretation. If you choose to interpret Scripture inconsistently then why?
Kerwin.Angels dont have lungs to breath oxygen,do they?
The word was MADE FLESH: from spirit to flesh; not from flesh to flesh.
The word was not flesh,made flesh.
In flesh is corruption,even with spirit blood flowing in the vains. ( this doctrine is out of the bott.pit.).You quoted Jesus saying; no flesh shall be saved, so what?
What he said simply means,if the war carries on ,no human will survive: animals included.Gen.6:13. And God said unto Noah,the end of ALL FLESH is come before me.—–(end of all living things).
No flesh shall be saved.(end of all living things;no survivers.)
wakeup.
Wakeup,
Kerwin is pointing out that, because God stops those last days short, flesh WILL be saved.
I don't yet know how he's connecting the existence of flesh beings with his claim that those flesh beings have inherited the Kingdom of God.
I'll have to wait for a response to my last post to him.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 07 2012,18:04) The word was MADE FLESH: from spirit to flesh; not from flesh to flesh.
The word was not flesh,made flesh.
Btw,These are very simple yet brilliant points, Wakeup.
“Not from flesh to flesh”…………. which leaves what other option?
And not “flesh”, but “made flesh”.
Mike;
Quote On earth, John the Baptist had “born of a woman” status, meaning that he was flesh; because flesh gives birth to flesh, right? Jesus was saying that among those of flesh, none is greater than John – but the least of those in the Kingdom of heaven (those who are NOT of flesh) is greater than even the greatest flesh being. When John inherits God's Kingdom (if he hasn't already done so), he will no longer be a person whose status is “born of a woman”. Instead, he will then be “born again from above of water and spirit”.
Your explanation is not simple, nor does it make sense as Jesus is born of women according to Scripture; which would make John the Baptist greater than he was while on Earth.
As for the kingdom as he was speaking of it consider this passage:
Luke 16:16
King James Version (KJV)
16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.And this passage:
Matthew 13:47
King James Version (KJV)
47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:And
Matthew 13
King James Version (KJV)31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.Quote No I'm not claiming that at all, Kerwin. But what YOU'RE claiming is that since some flesh will be saved in the last days, it means that those flesh ones will have inherited God's Kingdom IN their flesh state. But scripture says no such thing. In fact, Paul was very clear that flesh cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. You have some weird interpretations as unlike what you claim; flesh cannot be saved by turning it into something else. I realized that you have been indoctrinating to believe that no flesh will be saved by those whom repeat the Gnostic teaching that the spirit man is liberated from flawed flesh, but that is not what Paul teaches.
Quote So why would you think those alive in the flesh at the end, have already inherited God's Kingdom in that flesh state? Even if those still alive were all to inherit the Kingdom of God, it doesn't mean they will do so while still flesh, right? I assume that those will be some of the ones Paul said would be changed – even though they didn't sleep (die). Remember that not all will sleep, but ALL will be CHANGED. And why is that? Because “flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God”.
Flesh made live by blood will be changed into flesh made live by the Spirit of God.
Flesh and Spirit are what inherits the kingdom as none can inherit without the Spirit for the Spirit of God frees the creation from corruption.
T;
Quote sorry but the expression FLESH in scriptures means our live in the world as it stands condemned by the sin of Adam, So you claim flesh is an idiom while flesh and blood is not. In doing so you appear to cherry picking Scriptures by calling those that fit you preconceived notions as idioms, idioms while denying those that do not fit your preconceived notions as idioms are idioms. In this way Satan whispers his manipulation of Scripture into your mind.
Where in Scripture do you find that Spirit quickened flesh does not enter the kingdom or is not saved?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2012,06:38) Hi KW,
Flights of determined fancy loosely based on scripture.
Who is your Lord?
Nick;Scripture explicitly speaks of the Spirit quickened mortal body; are you accusing it of a flight of fancy?
If not then you must admit there is a Spirit quickened mortal body.
As for the blood quickened flesh; it is written:
Genesis 9:4
King James Version (KJV)4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
and
Leviticus 17:11
King James Version (KJV)11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
There is no flight of fancy there either.
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