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Hi All
Over 150 scriptures that prove Jesus is God to us! He is the source of all things!
Jesus is not just an agent of the Father like Moses and the rest for the scriptures teach us that Jesus is also the source of all things to us.The scriptures tell us “Jesus has all authority and Power” (Math 28:18) and that “Jesus upholds all things by the word of his power” (Heb 1:3) and that “by him (Jesus) all things consist”, (Col 1:17) and that “all things come to us from Jesus hands” (John 3:5 & John 16:15).
The scriptures tell us Jesus is the “source of eternal life” (John 1:3-5, John 3:15, John 6:63, John 6:54, John 10:28, John 14:6, John 17:2, 1 John 1:1-3, Acts 3:14, Rom 8:2, Rom 8:10, 1 Cor 8:6, 2 Tim 1:10).
The scriptures tell us Jesus is the “source of our faith” (Heb 12:2, 1 Cor 1:24, 1 Cor 1:30,)
The scriptures tell us that Jesus is the “source of our wisdom, knowledge and truth” (John 14:6, Col 2:3, 2 Peter 3:18,
The scriptures tell us Jesus is the “source of our riches” (2 Cor 8:9, Heb 11:26)
The scriptures tell us Jesus is the “source of our power” (Rom 1:16, 1 Cor 1:18, 1 Cor 1:24, 1 Cor 5:4, Rev 2:26)
The scriptures tell us Jesus is the “source of our righteousness” (Rom 5:17, Rom 8:10, 1 Cor 1:30, 10:4, 2 Cor 5:21, 1 Peter 2:24, 2 Peter 1:1)
The scriptures tell us Jesus is the “source of our salvation” (Rom 1:16, Phil 1:19, 1 Thess 5:9, 2 Tim 2:10, 2 Tim 3:15, Heb 9:28, Tit 2:13, 14, Phil 3:21)
The scriptures tell us Jesus is the “source of strength” (Matt 11:27-30, John 15:5, Eph 6:10, 1 Tim 1:12, 2 Tim 2:1, Phil 4:13, 2 Tim 4:17)
The scriptures tell us Jesus is the “source of our image” (Gen 1:26, 27, Rom 8:29, Phil 3:21, 2 Cor 3:18, 2 Cor 4:4)
The scriptures tell us Jesus is the “source from which we receive the Spirit of God” (Matt 3:11, John 1:33, John 3:34, John 4:13, 14, John 7:37-39, John 15:26, John 20:22, Rom 8:9, 10, 2 Cor 3:17, Gal 3:14, Gal 4:6, 1 Peter 1:11, Phil 1:19 Rev 22:1)
The scriptures tell us Jesus is the “source of our victory” (Rom 5:17-21, 1 Cor 15:57, 1 John 4:4, 1 John 5:5, Rev 2:7, Rev 12:11,
The scriptures tell us Jesus is the “source of our hope, grace, mercy, and peace” (John 6:33, Rom 1:7, Rom 16:20, 1 Cor 1:3, 2 Cor 1:2, Col 1:27, Gal 1:3, Eph 1:2, Phil 1:2, Col 1:2, 1 Thess 1:1, 2 Thess 1:2, 1 Tim 1:2, 2 Tim 1:2, Titus 1:4, Plm 1:3, 2 John 1:3, Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:2, 2 Peter 3:13,)
The scriptures tell us Jesus is the “source of our healing” (Isa 53:5, Matt 4:23, Matt 8:7, Matt 9:22, Matt 15:28, Mark 6:56, Matt 9:35, Matt 12:15, Matt 14:14, Matt 14:36, Matt 15:30, Luke 7:3, Luke 9:42, Luke 13:14, Luke 22:51, John 5:6-13, John 7:23, Acts 3:14-16, Acts 10:38, 1 Peter 2:24,)
The scriptures tell us Jesus is the “source of our Gospel and preaching” (Mark 1:1, Acts 5:42, Acts 17:3, Rom 1:16, Rom 15:19, Rom 15:29, 1 Cor 9:12, 1 Cor 9:18, 2 Cor 2:12, 2 Cor 3:3, 2 Cor 4:4, 5, 2 Cor 9:13, 2 Cor 10:14, Gal 1:7, Phil 1:27, Col 1:27, 28, 1 Thess 3:2, 2 Thess 1:8,
The scriptures tell us Jesus is the “source for our forgiveness of sins against God” (Matt 9:6, Mark 2:5-10, Rom 1:16, 1 John 1:7,)
So in other words when you say “Jesus is not the source” then you are denying the 150+ scriptures above.
In essence your teaching does not lead men to Jesus but to the Father even though you cannot have the Father without Jesus or the Holy Spirit.
The scriptures tell us that at this time Jesus is not a servant whom the Father uses but in fact he has not yet subjected the Kingdom or himself to the Father. (1 Cor 15:28)
If God is the “source” of all things and Jesus is the “source of all things”, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Jesus is God with a big “G” and not a little “god” with a little “g”.
That is why Jesus said “no man can pluck them out of my hand” and “I and the Father are One!” John 10:27-29
How is it that the so-called believers cannot fathom what I just posted?
Blessings!
Keith
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 02 2014,10:10) Hi All The scriptures tell us “Jesus has all authority and Power” (Math 28:18)……….
How is it that the so-called believers cannot fathom what I just posted?
Blessings!
Keith
Matthew 28:18 NET ©
Then Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.”This first scripture you listed speaks of a being who has been GIVEN authority by a DIFFERENT being. Obviously, the one who gave him that authority is the greater being. We know that being as our one true God. And the only Most High God Jehovah indeed GAVE His holy servant Jesus Christ a ton of authority.
But God giving His servant a ton of authority doesn't make the servant become the God who gave him that authority.
If your very first scripture doesn't say what you claimed it did, then should we really bother with the rest of them?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 03 2014,04:22) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 02 2014,10:10) Hi All The scriptures tell us “Jesus has all authority and Power” (Math 28:18)……….
How is it that the so-called believers cannot fathom what I just posted?
Blessings!
Keith
Matthew 28:18 NET ©
Then Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.”This first scripture you listed speaks of a being who has been GIVEN authority by a DIFFERENT being. Obviously, the one who gave him that authority is the greater being. We know that being as our one true God. And the only Most High God Jehovah indeed GAVE His holy servant Jesus Christ a ton of authority.
But God giving His servant a ton of authority doesn't make the servant become the God who gave him that authority.
If your very first scripture doesn't say what you claimed it did, then should we really bother with the rest of them?
True; The Word of God is always in obedience to God.
The Word OF God is God's Word.Jesus is the Word of God in flesh form.
He WAS in spirit form: now back in spirit form.God gave Him both forms.
God did not give Himself to be sacrificed.God will also give His saints a spirit form at the resurrection.
wakeup.
Mike & WJ,
Good points on both sides, “ALL authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” not a “ton” but “ALL”But being given to Him it had to come from the greatest of all the Father.
Wm
There can not be any other source than God himself ,The son his son is only the first of his creation
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 02 2014,12:22) If your very first scripture doesn't say what you claimed it did, then should we really bother with the rest of them? Hi Mike
Why not look at it this way. “If all the other scriptures claim what I am saying then why not try to understand what the first scripture is saying based on all the others?”
But as usual my friend you are practicing “eisegesis” and “selective theology” rather than “exegesis”
So what will you say of the Father when Jesus hands it all back to the Father? Since it is all in Jesus hands now, would Jesus not also be the source of what is given back to the Father? Does this make the Father less than Jesus because he will be given all things?
Then cometh the end, when he (Jesus) shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he (Jesus) shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
The truth of the matter is Matt 28:19 speaks of Jesus “receiving back” the Glory that he had shared with the Father before the world began. John 17:5 Jesus is given what he shared with the Father when he was in the form of God and “emptied himself” and came in the likeness of sinful flesh and condemned sin in the flesh. Phil 2:6-8.
For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
Jesus who was rich became poor for us. When was he ever rich in this world? He left all Glory, Honor, Authority, Power and Riches to come in this world and live as a man who was subject to like passions so that he might redeem us back to himself as the second Adam. In Revelations we see both the Father and the Son together receiving Glory, Honor, Authority, Power and Riches.
Look at the big picture Mike. Please show me how any of these scriptures do not say Jesus is our source and therefore our God. I just showed you how Matt 28:19 fits in the picture.
You yourself have admitted to Jesus being your god, so why do you fight against it?
Mike, just show me how any of those over 150 scriptures do not say Jesus is the source.
You will not find that many scriptures about the Father in the NT. You may think that is horrible to say about the Father, but you do not understand that that is the way the Father would have it.
Face it Mike, the Gospel is about Jesus, in fact Jesus claims the scriptures were written about him. John 5:39, 40.
Notice Jesus says in verse 40, “You will not come to him”. When will you come to him Mike as your God and Savior!
When you understand that the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are One, just as humanity is one, or the number 3 is one, and basically everything in the universe is a compound unity, then you will see that it all makes sense.
I pray for you Mike to truly seek the Lord in this.
Blessings!
Keith
Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 03 2014,20:56) Mike & WJ,
Good points on both sides, “ALL authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” not a “ton” but “ALL”But being given to Him it had to come from the greatest of all the Father.
Wm
Hi WilliamBut when was it given to him? Was not after the days of his flesh?
Did he not share the same Glory, Honor, Power, Authority, and Riches with the Father before the world began?
What did he leave when he was Rich with the Father?
Hope all is well!
Blessings!
Keith
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2014,14:09) Hi WJ,
You have a dogma to protect.
Very unlikely you will let the light in.
Hi NickGood to see you!
“Some things never change, and some things do.”
Quote from the “Matrix”.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 04 2014,15:06) Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 03 2014,20:56) Mike & WJ,
Good points on both sides, “ALL authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” not a “ton” but “ALL”But being given to Him it had to come from the greatest of all the Father.
Wm
Hi WilliamBut when was it given to him? Was not after the days of his flesh?
Did he not share the same Glory, Honor, Power, Authority, and Riches with the Father before the world began?
What did he leave when he was Rich with the Father?
Hope all is well!
Blessings!
Keith
WJ,
All is not well, I'm in daily pain. no health insurance, I've lost my house, can't find a job, as well as a number of other issues but it has not destroyed me. I'm still convinced that God loves me (even-though I don't understand what I'm suppose to do). Its one of those times that tests your faith but I guess that is what makes it faith I still trust in God. Sorry about rambling on its been a rough day.As to my belief, it is that no matter when Jesus was given authority it means there was a time He did not have it but someone greater gave it to him. Hence I believe the Father was the source, however I do believe it was all part of the Fathers plan that Jesus, operating as a manifestation of the Father, at the proper time would humble Himself and come declaring the Father and sharing His love. He would then give Him all authority and power to the Fathers own glory,
Glad your back, I missed you – Wm
Hi WorshippingJesus.
You are so close,and yet so far.
1.God gave His son,not himself.
2.God Is His father,not Himself.
3.God was not made flesh,but the Word was.
4.God did not die,but His son died.
5.God does not hand over His kingdom to Himself.
6.God is not coming;but the Word of God is coming.
7.No man has heard God's voice,but His son.
8.Jesus is the image of God,not God the image of God.
9.Jesus is the mediator,not God. Mediator=one in between.In the beginning was the Word; NOT God,for God has no beginning.
In the *beginning* God brought forth His Word to do all creation. *Before* creation, the Word was *IN* God.*God had not spoken*.The Word had been given a form;
when brought forth.
Just like us; when the Word is in us,we also will be given a form in the resurrection.
We are waiting for the Word of God to come; not waiting for God to come. God will only come to earth;after the earth in made new.wakeup.
Hi Keith,
I actually agree with most of what you wrote in that last post to me. I disagree with your conclusion that those things mean we have a Triune God, and Jesus is one of the persons in that God.
Jesus is indeed the IMMEDIATE source for much of what we have, and will have. But he is not the ULTIMATE source of those things.
For example, Jesus is indeed the immediate source of our salvation. But our God and his God – the one who sent Jesus to be that immediate source – remains the ULTIMATE source of our salvation.
Jehovah sacrificed an unblemished lamb on our behalf. Jesus wasn't the one who sacrificed the lamb to atone for our sins. He was the lamb that God sacrificed for us.
John 6:57 NIV
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.6:57 is a great scripture to show “immediate” versus “ultimate”.
The one who was sent to us and did wonderful things is great. The one who SENT that one to us in the first place is even greater.
The one we live because of is great. The one that one lives because of is even greater.
See? Jesus is the immediate source of our everlasting life……. but only because that role, power and authority was GIVEN to him by HIS source of everlasting life. The one who GAVE that authority to Jesus is his and our God, Jehovah – and He is therefore the ULTIMATE source of, not only our everlasting life, but also of Jesus' everlasting life.
I agree.
God is in control of His Word.
God is the source of all things.
In Him are all things good.
I AM THAT I AM.wakeup.
Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 04 2014,14:57) WJ,
All is not well, I'm in daily pain. no health insurance, I've lost my house, can't find a job, as well as a number of other issues but it has not destroyed me. I'm still convinced that God loves me (even-though I don't understand what I'm suppose to do). Its one of those times that tests your faith but I guess that is what makes it faith I still trust in God. Sorry about rambling on its been a rough day.
Hi Wm,I meant to say something to you yesterday, but then got distracted.
I am truly sorry to hear how rough you're having it right now. Jesus told us that there will be (not “might be”) trials and tribulations in this life. But take heart, because Jesus overcame this world, and with faith, you will too.
Jehovah, you can do all things. There is nothing too hard for you. Our brother Wm is hurting right now, and is in a tough place. If it seems good in your eyes, please shine some heavenly light on him at this time, and ease his suffering. Give him a sign to let him know that you are still in control, and have his best interests in mind. Please help him, God, in the way you think best for him.
I ask in the name of your holy servant Jesus Christ, our Savior.
Amen.
Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 07 2014,11:26) Thank you Mike
Seekingtruth.I believe that there are 1.5 million jobless in your country.
Maybe more.
You are a believer seeking the truth,and God sees that.
With the Word of God in you,you can renounce any spiri that is not of God to be gone.Gods spirit is not of sufferings and pain.
It can also be that God is working on your faith.
All is for the good of the spirit.God chastises his children because he loves them.
So be cheerful and thank him,He knows your limits,
and wont go beyond that.May God bless you,and take care of your needs.
Come ye heavily laden and I will give you rest.
My yoke is easy.Stay strong brother.
wakeup.
Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 04 2014,15:57) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 04 2014,15:06) Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 03 2014,20:56) Mike & WJ,
Good points on both sides, “ALL authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” not a “ton” but “ALL”But being given to Him it had to come from the greatest of all the Father.
Wm
Hi WilliamBut when was it given to him? Was not after the days of his flesh?
Did he not share the same Glory, Honor, Power, Authority, and Riches with the Father before the world began?
What did he leave when he was Rich with the Father?
Hope all is well!
Blessings!
Keith
WJ,
All is not well, I'm in daily pain. no health insurance, I've lost my house, can't find a job, as well as a number of other issues but it has not destroyed me. I'm still convinced that God loves me (even-though I don't understand what I'm suppose to do). Its one of those times that tests your faith but I guess that is what makes it faith I still trust in God. Sorry about rambling on its been a rough day.As to my belief, it is that no matter when Jesus was given authority it means there was a time He did not have it but someone greater gave it to him. Hence I believe the Father was the source, however I do believe it was all part of the Fathers plan that Jesus, operating as a manifestation of the Father, at the proper time would humble Himself and come declaring the Father and sharing His love. He would then give Him all authority and power to the Fathers own glory,
Glad your back, I missed you – Wm
Hi WilliamSorry to hear that you are going through so much.
Sometimes just speaking words doesn't seem enough. I don't want my response to be just a pat answer in this time of yours. It is easy to just say we understand but yet we aren't walking in your shoes. All we really have is the Lord and his word.
Remember Job was not understood by his friends. Also remember that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren somewhere. 1 Peter 5:9
Jesus said in the world we would have tribulation but to be of good cheer because he has overcome the world. John 16:33
I am also in a lot of pain and sometimes question God why. Often I am reminded that the sufferings of this present life are not worthy to be compared to the Glory that shall be revealed in us. Rom 8:18
My prayer for you is that our Lord will comfort you and keep you through his Grace and Peace. May his Glory shine around about you and protect you from all harm and that his healing hand will permeate your complete being, Body, Soul and Spirit.
Love in Christ.
Jesus truly is precious. 1 Peter 2:4-7
Blessings! Keith
Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 05 2014,02:57) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 04 2014,15:06) Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 03 2014,20:56) Mike & WJ,
Good points on both sides, “ALL authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” not a “ton” but “ALL”But being given to Him it had to come from the greatest of all the Father.
Wm
Hi WilliamBut when was it given to him? Was not after the days of his flesh?
Did he not share the same Glory, Honor, Power, Authority, and Riches with the Father before the world began?
What did he leave when he was Rich with the Father?
Hope all is well!
Blessings!
Keith
WJ,
All is not well, I'm in daily pain. no health insurance, I've lost my house, can't find a job, as well as a number of other issues but it has not destroyed me. I'm still convinced that God loves me (even-though I don't understand what I'm suppose to do). Its one of those times that tests your faith but I guess that is what makes it faith I still trust in God. Sorry about rambling on its been a rough day.As to my belief, it is that no matter when Jesus was given authority it means there was a time He did not have it but someone greater gave it to him. Hence I believe the Father was the source, however I do believe it was all part of the Fathers plan that Jesus, operating as a manifestation of the Father, at the proper time would humble Himself and come declaring the Father and sharing His love. He would then give Him all authority and power to the Fathers own glory,
Glad your back, I missed you – Wm
hi williamI do understand you ;I when through your description ,and in some way more than once ,it was so bad that I never thought owning a house again ,but I knew in my heart that all the wealth of the earth belongs to God and he can distribute it to whom ever he want ,so I just told my heart this is temporary as God test will pass ,and so in time it did
I now own a little house again but it is all I really need ,no more no less ,this is how the blessing of God works ,I am glad you stick to what is good and trustworthy,no matter what happen you be a winner,this life is all about fighting the good fight the one in Christ for the glory of our father ,take care my friend ;
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