Jesus in the Old Testament

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  • #61740
    Bibliophile
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    Hi Arizona,

    Please tell me, how is it that Jesus fulfilled in every detail over 300 prophetic Hebrew scriptures?
    For example, is it possible for one to prophesy where he would be born, especially since there were 2 different Bethlehems?

    :D

    #61753
    Artizan007
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    Which 300 prophecies? – give me 10 to start.

    #61756
    Bibliophile
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    Hi,

    Getting late but I will get back with you on this. Promise! :)

    #61855
    Not3in1
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    In my opinion, Jesus is the combination of God and Mary (he is the Son of Man and the Son of God). Therefore, “JESUS” did not exist in the OT because he wasn't even born yet!

    There are prophecies concerning the Messiah to come, but we will not find any words of Jesus, or acts of Jesus in the OT. Those who are in the know – if they are there, please produce them. I will catch-up on this thread in case the evidence has already been given. Thanks.

    #61865
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi not3,
    I cannot believe you seem to think
    that every human person, as Jesus was,
    does not exist as an individual
    but as a composite of their parents!!

    #61887
    Bibliophile
    Participant

    Dear Artizan,

    Here are some of the prophecies fulfilled in Jesus Christ.  :D

    HOW THE MESSIAH FULFILLED BIBLE PROPHECY

    Prophecy        Matters Foretold               Fulfillment Stated

                       Prophecies in Psalms

    Psalm 2:1, 2    Rulers act against anointed    Matthew 27:1, 2

    Psalm 2:7       Jehovah declares Jesus “Son”   Romans 1:4

    Psalm 16:10     Raised before corruption       Acts 2:24, 27

    Psalm 22:1      Forsaken to enemies by God     Matthew 27:46

    Psalm 22:7, 8   Jesus reviled while on stake   Matthew 27:39-43

    Psalm 22:16     Impaled by hands and feet      John 20:25

    Psalm 22:18     Lots cast for his garments     Matthew 27:35

    Psalm 27:12     False witnesses against him    Matthew 26:59-61

    Psalm 34:20     None of Jesus’ bones broken    John 19:33, 36

    Psalm 41:9      Unfaithful apostle betrays     John 13:18, 21-30

    Psalm 69:4      Jesus hated without a cause    John 15:24, 25

    Psalm 69:9      Zealous for Jehovah’s house    John 2:13-17

    Psalm 69:21     Given wine drugged with myrrh  Mark 15:23, 36

    Psalm 78:2      Jesus speaks in illustrations  Matthew 13:34, 35

    Psalm 118:22    Rejected, but sure foundation  Matthew 21:42-44

                       Prophecy of Isaiah

    Isaiah 7:14     Jesus born of a virgin         Matthew 1:23-25

    Isaiah 9:1, 2   Light in Naphtali, Zebulun     Matthew 4:13-16

    Isaiah 9:7      Descendant, heir of David      Matthew 1:1, 6-17

    Isaiah 40:3     John the Baptist prepares way  Matthew 3:1-3

    Isaiah 42:1-4   Does not wrangle in streets    Matthew 12:14-21

    Isaiah 53:1, 2  Jews do not put faith in him   John 12:37, 38

    Isaiah 53:4     Carries sicknesses of mankind  Matthew 8:16, 17

    Isaiah 53:7     Silent before his accusers     Matthew 27:11-14

    Isaiah 53:9     Burial place with the rich     Matthew 27:57-60

    Isaiah 53:11    Bears the errors of many       Matthew 20:28

    Isaiah 53:12    Counted with transgressors     Luke 22:36, 37, 52

    Isaiah 61:1, 2  Spirit-anointed to preach      Luke 4:16-21

                      Other Prophecies

    Genesis 49:10   Ruler out of tribe of Judah    Luke 3:23-33

    Jeremiah 31:15  Babes killed after birth       Matthew 2:16-18

    Daniel 9:25     Appears at end of “69 weeks”   Luke 3:1, 21, 22

    Daniel 9:26, 27 Cut off after 3-1/2 years      John 19:14-16

    Hosea 11:1      Called out of refuge in Egypt  Matthew 2:14, 15

    Jonah 1:17      Resurrected on third day       Acts 10:40, 41

    Micah 5:2       Born in Bethlehem of Judah     Matthew 2:1-6

    Zechariah 9:9   Enters city on colt of ass     Matthew 21:7-11

    Zechariah 11:12 Betrayed for 30 silver pieces  Matthew 26:15

    Zechariah 12:10 Pierced while on stake         John 19:34

    Zechariah 13:7  Shepherd struck, flock scatter Matthew 26:31, 56

    :D

    #62276
    Cult Buster
    Participant

    Yes Jesus Jehovah God was prophesised in the Old Testament.

    Mic 5:2  But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting

    (Psa 33:6)
    – – “A Prayer of Moses, the man of God. O Jehovah, You have been our dwelling-place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You had formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting You are God. ”

    #62321
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2007,11:42)
    Hi not3,
    I cannot believe you seem to think
    that every human person, as Jesus was,
    does not exist as an individual
    but as a composite of their parents!!


    Nick, you crack me up! You are a Doctor, are you not? Do you not know the process of conception and what takes place? You have many children, do you not? Tell me that your children are not the combination of you and your wife? Tell me that they are not individuals in their own right?

    Just because your personal theology demands that conception take on a different process…..doesn't mean that it is so! Every human being (which you say Jesus is), goes through THE SAME conception process. Why should Jesus be any different, huh? You contend for Jesus to be “puny man” but then you deny him his simple conception and birth. I just don't follow you, although God knows I have tried.

    #62322
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Bibli,

    Excellent homework and post – thank you!

    #62327
    kejonn
    Participant

    Quote (Cult Buster @ July 30 2007,06:36)
    Yes Jesus Jehovah God was prophesised in the Old Testament.

    Mic 5:2  But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting

    (Psa 33:6)
    – – “A Prayer of Moses, the man of God. O Jehovah, You have been our dwelling-place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You had formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting You are God. ”


    CB,

    I'm curious…do you believe in the Trinity or are you a modalist? The reason I ask is that your posts often take on more of a modalist theme than a Trinitarian one.

    For instance, you often say Jesus=Jehovah. What about the Holy Spirit? What about the Father? And now you say “Jesus Jehovah God”.

    I think you support the Trinity but only in name. Your posts definitely reflect more of a modalist flare IMO.

    #62328
    kejonn
    Participant

    CB,

    Also, from Wikipedia

    Both Michael Servetus and Emanuel Swedenborg have been seen as a proponents of Modalism, however, neither describes God as appearing in three modes. Both describe God as the One Divine Person, Jesus Christ, who has a Divine Soul of Love, Divine Mind of Truth, and Divine Body of Activity. Jesus, through a process of uniting his human form to the Divine, became entirely One with His Divine Soul from the Father to the point of having no distinction of personality.

    See what I mean? Most of your posts do this: they say that God IS Jesus. I rarely see you mention the Father at all.

    #63480
    kejonn
    Participant

    Quote (epistemaniac @ April 16 2007,13:27)
    ps… Jesus is here called “Lord of Hosts”…

    “LORD OF HOSTS
    A name or title of God frequently used in the Old Testament, always translated “Yahweh of Hosts” (‏יְהוָֹה צְבַאוֹת‎, Yehōwāh çebhāʾōth) in the American Standard Revised Version, since Yehweh, never ʾǍdhōnāy, is used in this phrase. Evidently the meaning of the title is that all created agencies and forces are under the leadership or dominion of Yahweh, who made and maintains them (Genesis 2:1; Isaiah 45:12). It is used to express Yahweh's great power.
    —International Standard Bible Encyclopedia

    consider:

    Jesus is sovereign and absolute Lord of all
    but this is true only of God

    Jesus is called “Lord of Hosts”
    but this is true only of God


    Where is Yeshua called “YHWH of hosts”? Special pleading. No proof whatsoever

    Quote
    conclusion: Jesus must be God or the Bible flatly contradicts itself; therefore the Trinity is the only way to reconcile what would otherwise be irreconcilable contradictions..

    blessings,
    Ken


    what contradictions do you speak of? Those created to support a dogma? Since Yeshua is never called “YHWH of hosts” then there is no contradiction to deal with.

    Where do you folks come up with this stuff?

    #63556
    TimothyVI
    Participant

    Keep at it kejonn, I like your logic.

    Tim

    #63717
    Oxy
    Participant

    Jesus was in the beginning and often visited Old Testament characters, although He wasn't called Jesus then. He was called the Word of God.

    1Ki 12:22 But the Word of God came to Shemaiah the man of God, saying,
    1Ki 12:23 Speak to Rehoboam the son of Solomon, king of Judah, and to all the house of Judah and Benjamin, and to the rest of the people, saying,

    1Ch 17:3 And it happened the same night the Word of God came to Nathan, saying,
    1Ch 17:4 Go and tell David My servant, So says Jehovah, You shall not build Me a house to dwell in.

    There are many such examples. Check out my page http://www.all4god.net/word_of_god.htm

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