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Irene said to Rokkaman:
Quote Who told you that Jesus is the one who forgives our Sins?
Not so. He is our Mediator to go through Him to the Father and He is who forgives our Sins.Acts 5:31:
Quote 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree. 31 Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and FORGIVENESS OF SINS. There it is! This clearly says that Christ as seated at God's right hand both gives repentance and Himself forgives sins. This definitely proves that at the Father's right hand Jesus is equal with the Father. Makes you wonder if the anti-trinitarians have a different Bible than the rest of us.
thinker
Amen TheThinker, plus this is a lame subject that we should not have to go over with anti-trinitarians.
It is littered through out the bible that Jesus was able to forgive sins. How else is he our mediator? What was his blood for?
He claimed it himself, and many times did the jews want to murder him for it.
That's why I didn't spend much time with Irene debating it, it's rediculous to think otherwise.
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One thing I do not like tho, is this us against them mentality…
Anti-trinitarian vs trinitarian.
Please don't forget we are all children under the same God, and we are brothers and sisters in christ.
Our views of christ and God may vary but we are all under the same law and covenant.
It is peculiar that God is not The God of confusion, yet in his book we find unrefutable evidence or should I say contradictions that can be reconciled with trinitarism, yet through anti-trinitarism the oness of God seems to be under attack.
This is a very difficult subject and I wish we could treat each others with a little more respect, and realize we are all brothers and sisters under christ. (Myself included)
Rokkaman said:
Quote Amen TheThinker, plus this is a lame subject that we should not have to go over with anti-trinitarians. It is littered through out the bible that Jesus was able to forgive sins. How else is he our mediator? What was his blood for?
He claimed it himself, and many times did the jews want to murder him for it.
That's why I didn't spend much time with Irene debating it, it's rediculous to think otherwise.
Rokkaman,
Yes bro! We should not need to prove to anti-trinitarians that Christ is Savior. When Irene left the Catholic church shew threw out the baby with the bathwater. Acts 5:31 clearly states that Christ is at the Father's right hand as “Savior” giving the forgiveness of sins. THIS IS BASIC CHRISTIANITY! That Jesus is at the Father's right hand dispensing salvation and giving His people eternal life is as basic as you can get.Jesus said,
Quote My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. (John 10:27-28) Peter said that Jesus gives repentance and forgiveness of sins. Jesus said “I give eternal life.” Irene has repeatedly said that she has been on this earth a long time as if this necessarily makes her wise. But even a young person has the common sense to know that after you wash the baby you throw out only the dirty water and keep the baby.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 15 2009,11:51) Irene said to Rokkaman: Quote Who told you that Jesus is the one who forgives our Sins?
Not so. He is our Mediator to go through Him to the Father and He is who forgives our Sins.Acts 5:31:
Quote 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree. 31 Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and FORGIVENESS OF SINS. There it is! This clearly says that Christ as seated at God's right hand both gives repentance and Himself forgives sins. This definitely proves that at the Father's right hand Jesus is equal with the Father. Makes you wonder if the anti-trinitarians have a different Bible than the rest of us.
thinker
Greetings Thinker….. We sin against God ( The Father )and in the fathers mercy he gave his son for the forgiveness of sins and through Jesus' sacrafice in his name we are able to petition the Father for the forgiveness of our sins…Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 16 2009,01:41) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 15 2009,11:51) Irene said to Rokkaman: Quote Who told you that Jesus is the one who forgives our Sins?
Not so. He is our Mediator to go through Him to the Father and He is who forgives our Sins.Acts 5:31:
Quote 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree. 31 Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and FORGIVENESS OF SINS. There it is! This clearly says that Christ as seated at God's right hand both gives repentance and Himself forgives sins. This definitely proves that at the Father's right hand Jesus is equal with the Father. Makes you wonder if the anti-trinitarians have a different Bible than the rest of us.
thinker
Greetings Thinker….. We sin against God ( The Father )and in the fathers mercy he gave his son for the forgiveness of sins and through Jesus' sacrafice in his name we are able to petition the Father for the forgiveness of our sins…
But Jesus still forgives sins. Peter was clear.thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 16 2009,02:58) Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 16 2009,01:41) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 15 2009,11:51) Irene said to Rokkaman: Quote Who told you that Jesus is the one who forgives our Sins?
Not so. He is our Mediator to go through Him to the Father and He is who forgives our Sins.Acts 5:31:
Quote 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree. 31 Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and FORGIVENESS OF SINS. There it is! This clearly says that Christ as seated at God's right hand both gives repentance and Himself forgives sins. This definitely proves that at the Father's right hand Jesus is equal with the Father. Makes you wonder if the anti-trinitarians have a different Bible than the rest of us.
thinker
Greetings Thinker….. We sin against God ( The Father )and in the fathers mercy he gave his son for the forgiveness of sins and through Jesus' sacrafice in his name we are able to petition the Father for the forgiveness of our sins…
But Jesus still forgives sins. Peter was clear.thinker
It was his sacrafice that affords us the opportunity to go before the Father in his name…for the forgiveness of sins and repentance…Theodorej said:
Quote It was his sacrafice that affords us the opportunity to go before the Father in his name…for the forgiveness of sins and repentance…
Peter said that at the Father's right hand Jesus Himself forgives sins. Jesus said that at the Father's right hand He has “ALL authority.” This includes the authority to forgive sins or it is not ALL authority.Peter said:
Quote Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. (Acts 5:31) I suggest you post your objection to Peter himself. I think he is registered on Heaven Net.
thinker
Of course he did. God gave him all authority in Heaven and on Earth. He will keep this authority until Judgement Day is over and then he will turn the authority back over to God the Father.
eveh and Nick……..your both right , isn't it amazing how the Idolaters can't get it. God was (IN) Christ Jesus, not, (was )Jesus .
peace and love………………gene
Quote (Gene @ Aug. 28 2009,02:56) eveh and Nick……..your both right , isn't it amazing how the Idolaters can't get it. God was (IN) Christ Jesus, not, (was )Jesus . peace and love………………gene
Agreed Gene, God was IN christ and has always and will always be IN christ.Looks like you're a trinitarian after all.
This is the exact definition of The father, The son, and The holy spirit all being one.
The father is present in both…nothing else in creation is made with the father already existing eternal forever in it.
We receive God afterwards, bur Jesus' being always has and will be in God.
Hi R,
So a trinity god being in Christ either means Christ did not exist except as a mannequin or God is FOUR.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 28 2009,07:07) Hi R,
So a trinity god being in Christ either means Christ did not exist except as a mannequin or God is FOUR.
No, God does not exist as a trinity.
God manifests himself to creation as a trinity…maybe this is why there is so much confusion.God is one being and one God.
The trinity helps us understand how he reaches out to us.
The Son, is God's word made flesh…
The Holy Spirit, is God's wisdom that dwells inside of us when we receive Jesus.The Father is the unknowable architect of all things.
When we sin, we offend The Father.
The Son came to reconcile us to the father, and the Holy Spirit comes after to guide us and reveal truth to us on our journey back to The Father.
The Son began as God's actual word…when God said…
Let There Be
That was Jesus he was uttering.
Jesus is The Word…and communication of God.
This piece of God became flesh and was given it's own identity.
God's communication is not like our communication.
He is not too little to give his voice it's own identity and call him Jesus and his son.
What is communication anyway?
Communication whther written or Oral, is expressing yourself to something other than yourself.
So when God communicates, he does so to creation.
That communication's Identity is Jesus Christ…that is why christ eventually entered this world, and joined mankind.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 28 2009,07:24) Hi R,
So Jesus lied when he said he is the son of God.
you prefer him to be God?
His own father?
No, Jesus is rightfully The Son of God.
The trinity doesn't say he is God The Father, it says he's God The Son…they are different in manifestation, but same in being.It is only 1 God….The unknowable Father, but The Father manifested his voice/word as His Son who was made flesh.
So his son is equally God, but he is not God The Father. He is The Son.
The son of a human is a human, the son of a monkey is a monkey…so The Son of God is going to be a God as well…in which Jesus is…just not a seperate God…he comes FROM God The Father
Hi R,
Yes tradition says that but scripture does not.
Which will you choose if you have one teacher?Are you not a son of God?
Does that make you GOD TOO?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 28 2009,07:34) Hi R,
Yes tradition says that but scripture does not.
Which will you choose if you have one teacher?Are you not a son of God?
Does that make you GOD TOO?
I am not The Son of God in the way Jesus was.Jesus was The Only Begotten Son of God.
I am the Adopted Son of God, through faith.
R……….I definitely am (NOT) a Trinitarian if you had read almost any of my posts you would have Known that. Because GOD who is Spirit was in Jesus , does (NOT) make Jesus a GOD. He is a Son of GOD the same way all Sons of GOD are. He was (NOT) the GOD that was in HIM. GOD is A SPIRIT Jesus said Jesus is a MAN, GOD said He is (NOT) a man the He should repent or a (son of man) that he should lie. All trinitarians are deluded in their minds and are not able to understand the truth because of the delusion GOD has sent to the, READ 2Ths 2. Turning Jesus into A GOD is creating the MAN of SIN spoken of there. Read it and think about what is said there.
peace and love………………………gene
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