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There is only a first and a second coming;not more.
Jesus first coming is his birth.
And his second coming is in revelation 19.
There is no third coming.Some say the second coming is at pantecost; well this does not make sense,because the apostles were given the Holy spirit to teach and spread the word.They will not be resurrected and are not,because they have along way to go to do the preaching.Where is common sense.
How can the judgement be before the gospel has been preached in all the world, as Jesus said in matt.24:14. the preaching first; then THE END SHALL COME.
Some say that Jesus came in ad 70.
Here again; how is that so, when Jesus said; unless he comes,no flesh will be saved.Men could not destroy the earth in 70 ad. they were using bows and arrows. That was NOT the second coming because, every eye shall see him,and the earth shall reel to and fro, and hailstones; fire and men will hide under the rocks,and there will be darkness.AND THIS DID NOT HAPPEN IN 70AD.
Those are the signs of the second coming.
After THE DESTRUCTION OF BABYLON THE GREAT, comes the setting up of the kingdom in israel.
and 1000yrs later the judgement of SATAN,and he will be cast in the fire; WHERE THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET *WERE* *WERE CAST IN THE FIRE, A 1000YRS previously.And the falling away in the LAST DAYS has to come first.
Then the SON of perdition will be revealed; then the second coming, then he will be destroyed,by Christ himself.CAST IN THE FIRE.But satan will be spared. What for? Rev19:20. only the beast and the false prophet will be cast in the fire.
But satan will be locked up.Satan will not be locked up BEFORE the coming,as some suggested he would be. Who is going to lock him up,for he wont give in without a fight.HE WILL BE LOCKED UP AT THE COMING.
So he is still roaming free untill the coming.
Strange doctrines, not inspired by the scriptures will not work in the end, they will get bogged down in the mire.Dont let anyone confuse you with those strange words such as premill; amill; postmill. this is the sign of confusion. The sign of being lost.
wakeup.
Quote Some say the second coming is at pantecost; well this does not make sense,because the apostles were given the Holy spirit to teach and spread the word.They will not be resurrected and are not,because they have along way to go to do the preaching.Where is common sense. Brother Wakeup,
Can you explain what you are saying in this paragraph?
Thanks
bro. MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ Jan. 09 2013,08:52) Quote Some say the second coming is at pantecost; well this does not make sense,because the apostles were given the Holy spirit to teach and spread the word.They will not be resurrected and are not,because they have along way to go to do the preaching.Where is common sense. Brother Wakeup,
Can you explain what you are saying in this paragraph?
Thanks
bro. Marlin
Marlin1.Some believe that the FIRST resurrection was Jesus.(only).
And the SECOND resurrection is at his coming.(second coming).Therefore no more resurrection after the second coming.Jesus was the first resurrected,this is true,but that is not all of the first resurrection,because his brothers will
follow at a latter time.
His brothers will also be resurrected at the coming,and a kingdom set up.
THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.HERE IS THE RESTING PERIOD FOR A 1000YRS.
TEACHING THE JEWS;AND IN TURN THE JEWS TEACHING THE GENTILES OUTSIDE, MANY WILL COME AND ACCEPT THE LORD.THEN THE RELEASING OF SATAN,AND THE GATHERING OF GOG AND MAGOG.When satan is no more,then the resurrection of all people of the past, present, and future, and religions.
They will be judged by the books. The sheep will be on the right and the goats on the left.(rev.20:11—15).
THIS IS THE SECOND RESURRECTION.All the sheep will have a new body by now,and all the bad is no more. But the earth is still full of rubble,and temples,and pyramids,and the cities under ground and under the seas.
And the sun has been worshipped by men ,and the moon and all the planets.
Therefore they have to by cleansed, by melting.(2 Pet.3:10.11).
Then the new heavens and and a new earth created.Only now will Gods tabernacle come to earth,Holy jerusalem will be on earth,and God himself also. God will be all in all,and we can see him face to face.(rev.22:4).
wakeup.
Brother Wakeup,
I 1st need to back up to this.
you said, Some say the second coming is at pantecost; well this does not make sense,
1) because the apostles were given the Holy spirit to teach and spread the word.
2) They will not be resurrected and are not,because they have along way to go to do the preaching.
Please explain 1 and 2?
My thoughts
There were 120 in the upper room that received the Holy Ghost. And have been thousands upon thousands that have received the Holy Ghost since then.
Do you Disagree?God Bless
bro. MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ Jan. 08 2013,15:52) Quote Some say the second coming is at pantecost; well this does not make sense,because the apostles were given the Holy spirit to teach and spread the word.They will not be resurrected and are not,because they have along way to go to do the preaching.Where is common sense. Brother Wakeup,
Can you explain what you are saying in this paragraph?
Thanks
bro. Marlin
Marlin,I believe Wakeup is talking about Ed J, who insists that Jesus' second coming was at Pentecost – despite all the scriptural teachings to the contrary – some of which Wakeup listed in his OP.
Quote (Marlin1 @ Jan. 09 2013,11:11) Brother Wakeup, I 1st need to back up to this.
you said, Some say the second coming is at pantecost; well this does not make sense,
1) because the apostles were given the Holy spirit to teach and spread the word.
2) They will not be resurrected and are not,because they have along way to go to do the preaching.
Please explain 1 and 2?
My thoughts
There were 120 in the upper room that received the Holy Ghost. And have been thousands upon thousands that have received the Holy Ghost since then.
Do you Disagree?God Bless
bro. Marlin
Marlin1.The receiving of the Holy spirit is not the resurrection.
In the resurrection one will be given a glorified body.Matthew 22:30 For in the *RESURRECTION* they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but ARE AS THE ANGELS of God in heaven.
Pantecost is NOT the RESURRECTION.
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 09 2013,11:27) Marlin, I believe Wakeup is talking about Ed J, who insists that Jesus' second coming was at Pentecost – despite all the scriptural teachings to the contrary – some of which Wakeup listed in his OP.
What teachings to the contrary?Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 09 2013,21:49) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 09 2013,11:27) Marlin, I believe Wakeup is talking about Ed J, who insists that Jesus' second coming was at Pentecost – despite all the scriptural teachings to the contrary – some of which Wakeup listed in his OP.
What teachings to the contrary?
EdJ.You had too much VODKA.
wakeup.
Quote The receiving of the Holy spirit is not the resurrection.
In the resurrection one will be given a glorified body.Matthew 22:30 For in the *RESURRECTION* they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but ARE AS THE ANGELS of God in heaven.
Pantecost is NOT the RESURRECTION.
wakeup.
In this my brother we agree.
The 1st resurrection started with Jesus and will end at Armageddon.
You didn't answer either of my questions though.
God Bless
bro. MarlinQuote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2013,03:26) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 09 2013,21:49) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 09 2013,11:27) Marlin, I believe Wakeup is talking about Ed J, who insists that Jesus' second coming was at Pentecost – despite all the scriptural teachings to the contrary – some of which Wakeup listed in his OP.
What teachings to the contrary?
EdJ.You had too much VODKA.
wakeup.
There are none.Nice Brother Gene,
1 Cor 13:4-8
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails……..This is Agape (God's Love)
This is not MAN'S type of Love as most have, this is GOD'S own LOVE in man.And without it.
I COR 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not Love, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not Love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not Love, it profiteth me nothing.This is a man without God's Love (Agape), He may still be nice and he may still love his friends and neighbors with man's TYPE of love.
God Bless
bro. MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ Jan. 09 2013,11:11) Brother Wakeup, I 1st need to back up to this.
you said, Some say the second coming is at pantecost; well this does not make sense,
1) because the apostles were given the Holy spirit to teach and spread the word.
2) They will not be resurrected and are not,because they have along way to go to do the preaching.
Please explain 1 and 2?
My thoughts
There were 120 in the upper room that received the Holy Ghost. And have been thousands upon thousands that have received the Holy Ghost since then.
Do you Disagree?God Bless
bro. Marlin
Marlin.1. Jesus promised the apostles the Holy spirit as soon as he has gone up,and that happened at pantecost,the Holy spirit was sent. So they can understand what they are preaching.
2.The apostles were not resurrected at pantecost,how can they?
They have a long way to go to do the preaching.Their resurrection happened after john wrote the book of revelation. They were sitting before the throne witnessing the opening of the 6 seals. They are 12 of the 24 elders.The other 12 must be the old prophets.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 09 2013,10:48) Quote (Marlin1 @ Jan. 09 2013,08:52) Quote Some say the second coming is at pantecost; well this does not make sense,because the apostles were given the Holy spirit to teach and spread the word.They will not be resurrected and are not,because they have along way to go to do the preaching.Where is common sense. Brother Wakeup,
Can you explain what you are saying in this paragraph?
Thanks
bro. Marlin
Marlin1.Some believe that the FIRST resurrection was Jesus.(only).
And the SECOND resurrection is at his coming.(second coming).Therefore no more resurrection after the second coming.Jesus was the first resurrected,this is true,but that is not all of the first resurrection,because his brothers will
follow at a latter time.
His brothers will also be resurrected at the coming,and a kingdom set up.
THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.HERE IS THE RESTING PERIOD FOR A 1000YRS.
TEACHING THE JEWS;AND IN TURN THE JEWS TEACHING THE GENTILES OUTSIDE, MANY WILL COME AND ACCEPT THE LORD.THEN THE RELEASING OF SATAN,AND THE GATHERING OF GOG AND MAGOG.When satan is no more,then the resurrection of all people of the past, present, and future, and religions.
They will be judged by the books. The sheep will be on the right and the goats on the left.(rev.20:11—15).
THIS IS THE SECOND RESURRECTION.All the sheep will have a new body by now,and all the bad is no more. But the earth is still full of rubble,and temples,and pyramids,and the cities under ground and under the seas.
And the sun has been worshipped by men ,and the moon and all the planets.
Therefore they have to by cleansed, by melting.(2 Pet.3:10.11).
Then the new heavens and and a new earth created.Only now will Gods tabernacle come to earth,Holy jerusalem will be on earth,and God himself also. God will be all in all,and we can see him face to face.(rev.22:4).
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The scripture makes it quite clear what is meant by the first resurrection:
Quote Rev 20:4 ¶ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. [
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Jan. 27 2013,12:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 09 2013,10:48) Quote (Marlin1 @ Jan. 09 2013,08:52) Quote Some say the second coming is at pantecost; well this does not make sense,because the apostles were given the Holy spirit to teach and spread the word.They will not be resurrected and are not,because they have along way to go to do the preaching.Where is common sense. Brother Wakeup,
Can you explain what you are saying in this paragraph?
Thanks
bro. Marlin
Marlin1.Some believe that the FIRST resurrection was Jesus.(only).
And the SECOND resurrection is at his coming.(second coming).Therefore no more resurrection after the second coming.Jesus was the first resurrected,this is true,but that is not all of the first resurrection,because his brothers will
follow at a latter time.
His brothers will also be resurrected at the coming,and a kingdom set up.
THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.HERE IS THE RESTING PERIOD FOR A 1000YRS.
TEACHING THE JEWS;AND IN TURN THE JEWS TEACHING THE GENTILES OUTSIDE, MANY WILL COME AND ACCEPT THE LORD.THEN THE RELEASING OF SATAN,AND THE GATHERING OF GOG AND MAGOG.When satan is no more,then the resurrection of all people of the past, present, and future, and religions.
They will be judged by the books. The sheep will be on the right and the goats on the left.(rev.20:11—15).
THIS IS THE SECOND RESURRECTION.All the sheep will have a new body by now,and all the bad is no more. But the earth is still full of rubble,and temples,and pyramids,and the cities under ground and under the seas.
And the sun has been worshipped by men ,and the moon and all the planets.
Therefore they have to by cleansed, by melting.(2 Pet.3:10.11).
Then the new heavens and and a new earth created.Only now will Gods tabernacle come to earth,Holy jerusalem will be on earth,and God himself also. God will be all in all,and we can see him face to face.(rev.22:4).
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The scripture makes it quite clear what is meant by the first resurrection:
Quote Rev 20:4 ¶ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. [
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Thats it;our reward is everlasting life.
Some say that has pappened 2000yrs ago.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 27 2013,23:31) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 27 2013,12:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 09 2013,10:48) Quote (Marlin1 @ Jan. 09 2013,08:52) Quote Some say the second coming is at pantecost; well this does not make sense,because the apostles were given the Holy spirit to teach and spread the word.They will not be resurrected and are not,because they have along way to go to do the preaching.Where is common sense. Brother Wakeup,
Can you explain what you are saying in this paragraph?
Thanks
bro. Marlin
Marlin1.Some believe that the FIRST resurrection was Jesus.(only).
And the SECOND resurrection is at his coming.(second coming).Therefore no more resurrection after the second coming.Jesus was the first resurrected,this is true,but that is not all of the first resurrection,because his brothers will
follow at a latter time.
His brothers will also be resurrected at the coming,and a kingdom set up.
THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.HERE IS THE RESTING PERIOD FOR A 1000YRS.
TEACHING THE JEWS;AND IN TURN THE JEWS TEACHING THE GENTILES OUTSIDE, MANY WILL COME AND ACCEPT THE LORD.THEN THE RELEASING OF SATAN,AND THE GATHERING OF GOG AND MAGOG.When satan is no more,then the resurrection of all people of the past, present, and future, and religions.
They will be judged by the books. The sheep will be on the right and the goats on the left.(rev.20:11—15).
THIS IS THE SECOND RESURRECTION.All the sheep will have a new body by now,and all the bad is no more. But the earth is still full of rubble,and temples,and pyramids,and the cities under ground and under the seas.
And the sun has been worshipped by men ,and the moon and all the planets.
Therefore they have to by cleansed, by melting.(2 Pet.3:10.11).
Then the new heavens and and a new earth created.Only now will Gods tabernacle come to earth,Holy jerusalem will be on earth,and God himself also. God will be all in all,and we can see him face to face.(rev.22:4).
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The scripture makes it quite clear what is meant by the first resurrection:
Quote Rev 20:4 ¶ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. [
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Thats it;our reward is everlasting life.
Some say that has pappened 2000yrs ago.
wakeup.
wupdon't be like those Jews that were at the front of the PROMISED LAND ,but did not wanted to do anything for it ,
God show them that it had to be conquered and fought for ,but that HE WOULD BE THERE FOR THEM ,BUT MANY DID NOT TRUST GOD ,what a shame
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 28 2013,04:31) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 27 2013,12:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 09 2013,10:48) Quote (Marlin1 @ Jan. 09 2013,08:52) Quote Some say the second coming is at pantecost; well this does not make sense,because the apostles were given the Holy spirit to teach and spread the word.They will not be resurrected and are not,because they have along way to go to do the preaching.Where is common sense. Brother Wakeup,
Can you explain what you are saying in this paragraph?
Thanks
bro. Marlin
Marlin1.Some believe that the FIRST resurrection was Jesus.(only).
And the SECOND resurrection is at his coming.(second coming).Therefore no more resurrection after the second coming.Jesus was the first resurrected,this is true,but that is not all of the first resurrection,because his brothers will
follow at a latter time.
His brothers will also be resurrected at the coming,and a kingdom set up.
THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.HERE IS THE RESTING PERIOD FOR A 1000YRS.
TEACHING THE JEWS;AND IN TURN THE JEWS TEACHING THE GENTILES OUTSIDE, MANY WILL COME AND ACCEPT THE LORD.THEN THE RELEASING OF SATAN,AND THE GATHERING OF GOG AND MAGOG.When satan is no more,then the resurrection of all people of the past, present, and future, and religions.
They will be judged by the books. The sheep will be on the right and the goats on the left.(rev.20:11—15).
THIS IS THE SECOND RESURRECTION.All the sheep will have a new body by now,and all the bad is no more. But the earth is still full of rubble,and temples,and pyramids,and the cities under ground and under the seas.
And the sun has been worshipped by men ,and the moon and all the planets.
Therefore they have to by cleansed, by melting.(2 Pet.3:10.11).
Then the new heavens and and a new earth created.Only now will Gods tabernacle come to earth,Holy jerusalem will be on earth,and God himself also. God will be all in all,and we can see him face to face.(rev.22:4).
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The scripture makes it quite clear what is meant by the first resurrection:
Quote Rev 20:4 ¶ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. [
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Thats it;our reward is everlasting life.
Some say that has pappened 2000yrs ago.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The important thing is what God says, and according to the Word of God this has not happened yet. I believe that there were some in the days of the Apostle Paul who were teaching that the resurrection had already happened.
Quote 14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty.
The first resurrection will be at the 2nd coming.
The rest of the dead stay in the grave; this is the first resurrection. Blessed is he that had part in the first resurrection.A second resurrection is coming when *ALL* the dead will be resurrected.
wakeup.
Hi WU,
You say
“2.The apostles were not resurrected at pantecost,how can they?
They have a long way to go to do the preaching.Their resurrection happened after john wrote the book of revelation. They were sitting before the throne witnessing the opening of the 6 seals. They are 12 of the 24 elders.The other 12 must be the old prophets.”
The apostles in heaven??
Any evidence John was seeing himself?
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