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Quote (david @ Dec. 23 2010,16:59) Quote Hi David, I NEVER said you lied!
I only said (based on the FACTS) that you didn't tell “The Truth”!
–ed.
Well, you have accused me of “the essense of telling lies,” whatever that means.
That sounds a lot like you are saying I am lying yet you can point to absolutely no sentence that is a lie.
Hi David,I asked you for “The Truth” with regard to this question…
Is it not true that your organization has taught YOU(david)
that current non-members of your organization are not Christians?
You did NOT give me “The Truth” in regard to this question; did you, David?Dirtyknections gave me “The Truth” on Page 65,
and betweenChristendomAndJWs gave me “The Truth” on Page 70.
But you refused to give me “The Truth” of what your 'visible' organization teaches!Here is a “Bible Parable” (for you) showing what you gave to me instead…
Luke 11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he
give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
I asked for “The Truth”, and you did NOT give me “The Truth”; did you?So then I asked you a question with regards to this…
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 05 2010,20:17) Here is what the watchtower society says…
Watchtower publication: May 15, 2009 Pages 4-5…'It is the course of discretion to guard our lips when in the presence of wicked people.
When confronted by ridicules in our ministry, silence may well be the proper response…''A person of “broad discernment” does not betray a confidence. (Prov.11:12)'
A true Christian will not divulge confidential matters through unguarded speech.
Christian elders must be particularly circumspect in this regard
so as to retain the trust of members of the congregation.',The question being: Do you David take this to mean that it is OK to lie?
I have been waiting patiently for 'your' answer to my current question.Quote (david @ Dec. 23 2010,17:08) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 23 2010,16:53) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 22 2010,15:29) Quote (david @ Dec. 22 2010,15:21) Ed, You do realize that lying is when you say something false that you know is wrong.
Hi David,What do you call it when a person's response leads someone
away from “The Truth” of (the essence) to which they inquire?
bump for David
But I did not do that Ed.
Hi David,No? Then what do you call this…
Quote (david @ Nov. 05 2010,18:36) Quote Hi David,
Is it not true that your organization teaches that non-members are non-Christians?Answer: We believe exactly what the earliest Christians believed, that we belong to the true religion.
Were they wrong? Would you ask the same of them? And now for the kicker: Would they believe in your number conspiracy?Nope.
Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (Baker @ Dec. 17 2010,04:39) Ed! let me tell you something. This is Irene not Georg. The JW have come to our door for several years. Georg likes to discuss Scriptures and so He has left them in many times. You are wrong when you say that they are not Christians. That is self righteous talking…. They have false doctrines just like any other organized religion. But with most I agree. The believe in the new covenant, and so do I They believe in the preexisting of Jesus, and so do I. They do not believe in the trinity, neither do I….Those are important doctrines to me and too them. And they have never told us that we are not Christians….
Nobody likes your numbers, yet you put them there any opportunity you have……Peace Irene
Just because they havent said to your face that they dont believe you are not Christians…doesnt mean they think you are…You could agree with EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF DOCTRINE that David and the JW org believe….but if you are not a JW…then they DO NOT CONSIDER YOU A CHRISTIAN…period point blank…if ANY JW tells you different from that..they are LYING…but dont be alarmed by that…remember..the ORG teaches its ok to lie to people like you and I
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 22 2010,14:06) Quote (betweenchristendomandjws @ Dec. 22 2010,20:51) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 22 2010,03:56) Hi Between, Are you saying 'they' would disapprove?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Yes, i'm saying they'll disapprove, it's hardly a Dfing act though. I'm interested in knowing how your going to use my response to accuse my brothers, should be interesting.
Betno it is a control thing.
Pierre
Yep…thats what cults do
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 31 2010,16:27) DK………….Right on brother. Hope all is well with you and yours. peace and love…………………………….gene
Hi Bro Gene,Everything is great…I refuse to complain…lol
I see you are still fighting the fine fight
DK……….Ya I'm getting to be a seasoned warrior it appears.:) specially with this bunch of hard heads here
I am glad you have brought out so much about the JW Org. Brother I totally agree with you on that.peace and love to you and yours DK……………………………..gene
Quote (dirtyknections @ Dec. 31 2010,16:19) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 22 2010,14:06) Quote (betweenchristendomandjws @ Dec. 22 2010,20:51) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 22 2010,03:56) Hi Between, Are you saying 'they' would disapprove?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Yes, i'm saying they'll disapprove, it's hardly a Dfing act though. I'm interested in knowing how your going to use my response to accuse my brothers, should be interesting.
Betno it is a control thing.
Pierre
Yep…thats what cults do
According to the dictionary your in a cult to
To All! There are those that think that the JW are lying about who are Christians and who are not, the next time I will point blank ask them what they think…..But I agree what the dictionary says. The Catholic Church therefore being the biggest cults of all….Tell you the truth I would not join any organized religion any more, mainly because of their doctrines,. Most don't understand the new covenant…..
Peace and Love IreneDavid,
Hebrews does not state Jesus ever had equal rank to angels. It does state he was created equal in rank to men who are a litttle lower than the angels in rank and later raised higher than both angels and men.
I am not sure rank is the correct term as there are many ranks in each “rank” I refer to except for Jesus' as there is only one king of everything.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 08 2011,21:03) David, Hebrews does not state Jesus ever had equal rank to angels. It does state he was created equal in rank to men who are a litttle lower than the angels in rank and later raised higher than both angels and men.
I am not sure rank is the correct term as there are many ranks in each “rank” I refer to except for Jesus' as there is only one king of everything.
Right one king of all and one god of all. Why you think he's prophesied to be a prince? Isaiah 9:6Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 16 2010,16:07) Hi David, I asked you this question three times so far,
and your answers have been clear as MUD!
You have now dodged it three times total.For the record will you actually answer the question…
Is it not true that your organization has taught YOU(david)
that current non-members of your organization are not Christians?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdDoes it really matter to you what the JWs believe, or teach, or is it just a chance to pick on some one because your question was not answered to your satisfaction.
Do you argue with those who believe in the trinity?
Do you believe in a literal “hell”, or argue with them who do?
I can't even begin to mention all the things you have wrong in your teaching, and when did you EVER answer my questions? did you not ALWAYS ignore them, or changed the subject?
You should be the last to be so persistent in your demand for an answer.
What you're trying to do is make your self look good at the expense of another.
I can tell you this, the JWs have more understanding of scripture than you.Georg
Hi Georg,
Your a little late in joining in on this question.
David has finally said that he refuses to answer this.
Others associated with their group have answered though.
But I wanted to hear what David said with regards to this question.
This thread is about Jehovah's witnesses; I hope this clarifies things for you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2011,03:34) Hi Georg, Your a little late in joining in on this question.
David has finally said that he refuses to answer this.
Others associated with their group have answered though.
But I wanted to hear what David said with regards to this question.
This thread is about Jehovah's witnesses; I hope this clarifies things for you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
First; there was nothing to clarify.
Second; it doesn't change what I said.Georg
Quote Hi David, Is it not true that your organization has taught YOU(david)
that current non-members of your organization are not Christians?Ed J
Quote (Baker @ Jan. 08 2011,18:39) To All! There are those that think that the JW are lying about who are Christians and who are not, the next time I will point blank ask them what they think…
Peace and Love Irene
Hi David,Now Irene is going to ask your visible organization's members the question I have asked you!
You have indeed helped me to establish “The Truth”! …And I thank you for this!Hopefully they will read carefully our discourse (on Pages 65-77), so
she can properly evaluate the responses of your visible organization!Eph.5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest
by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.Again: Thank you(David) for helping me to establish “The Truth”! (Eph.5:13)
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Ps.45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)PS> Indeed: A Christian is one who follows Jesus Christ! (Mark 9:38-40)
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2011,15:16) Quote Hi David, Is it not true that your organization has taught YOU(david)
that current non-members of your organization are not Christians?Ed J
Quote (Baker @ Jan. 08 2011,18:39) To All! There are those that think that the JW are lying about who are Christians and who are not, the next time I will point blank ask them what they think…
Peace and Love Irene
Hi David,Now Irene is going to ask your visible organization's members the question I have asked you!
You have indeed helped me to establish “The Truth”! …And I thank you for this!Hopefully they will read carefully our discourse (on Pages 65-77), so
she can properly evaluate the responses of your visible organization!Eph.5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest
by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.Again: Thank you(David) for helping me to establish “The Truth”! (Eph.5:13)
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Ps.45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)PS> Indeed: A Christian is one who follows Jesus Christ! (Mark 9:38-40)
Yes indeed, you are witnessing to the world.Georg
Quote (Baker @ Jan. 13 2011,17:46) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2011,15:16) Quote Hi David, Is it not true that your organization has taught YOU(david)
that current non-members of your organization are not Christians?Ed J
Quote (Baker @ Jan. 08 2011,18:39) To All! There are those that think that the JW are lying about who are Christians and who are not, the next time I will point blank ask them what they think…
Peace and Love Irene
Hi David,Now Irene is going to ask your visible organization's members the question I have asked you!
You have indeed helped me to establish “The Truth”! …And I thank you for this!Hopefully they will read carefully our discourse (on Pages 65-77), so
she can properly evaluate the responses of your visible organization!Eph.5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest
by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.Again: Thank you(David) for helping me to establish “The Truth”! (Eph.5:13)
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Ps.45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)PS> Indeed: A Christian is one who follows Jesus Christ! (Mark 9:38-40)
Yes indeed, you are witnessing to the world.Georg
Hi Georg,Yes, the Internet does reach a world wide audience! …Thank you!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2011,17:52) Quote (Baker @ Jan. 13 2011,17:46) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2011,15:16) Quote Hi David, Is it not true that your organization has taught YOU(david)
that current non-members of your organization are not Christians?Ed J
Quote (Baker @ Jan. 08 2011,18:39) To All! There are those that think that the JW are lying about who are Christians and who are not, the next time I will point blank ask them what they think…
Peace and Love Irene
Hi David,Now Irene is going to ask your visible organization's members the question I have asked you!
You have indeed helped me to establish “The Truth”! …And I thank you for this!Hopefully they will read carefully our discourse (on Pages 65-77), so
she can properly evaluate the responses of your visible organization!Eph.5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest
by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.Again: Thank you(David) for helping me to establish “The Truth”! (Eph.5:13)
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Ps.45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)PS> Indeed: A Christian is one who follows Jesus Christ! (Mark 9:38-40)
Yes indeed, you are witnessing to the world.Georg
Hi Georg,Yes, the Internet does reach a world wide audience! …Thank you!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ohhh, you're welcome, I'm sure. Georg
all
can anyone know this fellow?
Johannes Greber:Communication With the Spirit World
Ken Raines
Johannes Greber was a Catholic priest turned spiritist who translated the New Testament with the help of God's “spirits.” His experiences with spirits and their communications with him are related in his book, Communication With the Spirit World, published in 1932. This article examines his experiences as described in his book. The purpose is to compare this spiritist with J. F. Rutherford who, the author believes, was himself a spirit medium. Greber was chosen as he is a well known spiritist to those familiar with the Watchtower Society. (The Society's writers quoted favorably from his New Testament translation for nearly twenty years.) Greber's life is typical of spiritists, both in methods of communicating with spirits and in doctrines.
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