Jehovah

[mikeboll64]

Quote (ftk @ Dec. 31 2011,04:22)

Mike I respect you and your knowledge of God. When you say things like…..[See Tim?  We must use our brains in situations like this.]…. it is degrading to me. If possible lets learn together without feeling the need to step on, denounce or degrade the others ideas or abilities. Thanks, much love to you!  TK

Sorry Tim,

I didn't think about how you would take those words when I posted them.  It was not an insult to you, but the acknowledgment that ALL OF US must use our God-given common sense to understand certain scriptures.  There are many scriptures that don't tell us exactly what to think, and we must use our own brains to decipher the true meaning.

If you feel better using “power” instead of “authority”, then go for it.  But understand that the meaning is like “power of attorney”, not “power to leap tall buildings in a single bound”. Also understand that Jesus will rule only in the strength and name of his own God. (Micah 5:4)

Jesus has exactly as much “power” as his ALL -POWERFUL God has given him.  The same goes for every being in existence.

Don't for a second think that Jesus is on an equal playing field with his own God.  God is, was, and always will be the HEAD of the one He anointed as His Christ.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2011,19:34)

Quote (ftk @ Dec. 28 2011,05:31) Certainly no name can describe God most high. And yet God told us through Moses which name to remember Him by from generation to generation. Do you think God mentioned His name as a joke?  Why would God let us know His name if we aren't to use it? Tim, check out this site.  I think you'll find it enlightening.   How about you check it out too, Wakeup.  Perhaps the KJV is trying to gain name recognition for the Jehovah's Witnesses?

Bump for Wakeup…………..

[Wakeup]

Quote (kenrch @ Mar. 16 2007,12:21)

Thanks David, So when the New Testament quoted from the Old Testament the name should be Jehovah.  Is that right?

Hi kenrc.

In rev3:12. Jesus mentions; MY GOD 4x.
In rev19:10.The angel told john,WORSHIP GOD.
In rev22:9.The angel told John,WORSHIP GOD.

The jws are preaching another JESUS.But they(the flock) dont know it;
You tell them,but they will not hear.
You give them scriptures,and they refuse to budge,so strong is the societies hold on them,that even the sriptures they ignore.Jer25:38—For their land is desolate,because of THE FIERCENESS OF THE OPPRESSOR.–

Michael the arch angel is NOT JESUS.
John1:3. without him(the word) was not anything made that was made. That means that michael is made by the WORD.

HOW CAN MICHAEL BE THE WORD?
Oh they say,but,but,but.
There is no buts about it.
The tract society is selling a product,and that product is called by the name Jehovah(one of Gods name)for God is in everything ; he is the, I AM THAT I AM.
Using Gods name as a merchandise is a big no no.

Zeph3:5.The just Lord is in the mids thereof; he will not do iniquity: every morning doth he bring his judgement to light,he faileth not,but the unjust knoweth no shame.

His judgement will come suddenly,like a bridge under high pressure,it will break in an instant.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (david @ June 28 2008,08:29)

Quote What I find wrong is if you judge me if I don't. I rather call Him my Father. The Almighty God. I said before in the preexisting tread that God is a tittle. Jesus too called Him my Father. Hi Irene. Yes, Jesus certainly did call him Father, and rightly so.  He is his Father.  And Jesus is his Son, so we could just call Jesus “Son” if we wanted.  But why don't we? When we're close to someone, we use their name. Jesus often said things like: “I have made your name known to them and will make it known,” and in his model prayer, what did he put before all else?  “Let your name be sanctified.”   Sure, it is really talking about all his name stands for and who he is, but the fact that God himself inspired his name to be recorded thousands and thousands of times more than the title “Father” should tell us something. And yes, you won't find the name Jehovah in the manuscripts we have, but unlike Hebrew those manuscripts didn't last as long, so we don't have ones until a couple hundred years after the originals I believe.  And we know that the Jews developed a superstition involving the pronouncing of God's name.  They misapplied one of the commands.  This, I believe is what lead to the removal of God's name in the Greek manuscripts.  Surely, when they quoted from the Hebrew, they would not have altered the quotes and removed God's name.  There are hundreds of quotes from the Hebrew, many of which contained God's name. Irene, I know you'd rather call him Father, and I call him that too.  But why do you think he inspired his name to be recorded about 7000 times in his book?  To use, or not to use? Quote We are His children so why should we not call Him our Father. Irene, we definitely should, and the Bible writers did too.  But Irene, were they wrong to call him by his name?  And why did they call him by his name so many thousands of times more than by the title Father.?  What do you think? Joel: “it must occur that everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will get away safe;” Acts: (a quote from Joel) “And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.”’ Of course, he is our loving Father, our caregiver, our provider.  And it's great to see him that way.  But he is much more.  He is judge of all.  He is our Creator.  He is the one who causes to become.  Hence, the name, Jehovah.

Hi David.

It seems clear to me that you are of the jws tract society,am I right?

Do you realise that the jws are preaching another Jesus?
They are not preaching the Jesus of the holy bible.
They are preaching Michael the archangel,and called him Jesus.

Can you please respond to this scripture.
John1:3. ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM(thE WORD)
WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE.

All the angels;Michael included was made by the word.
How can Michael be the word?

ALL THINGS= ALL CREATURES AND THE UNIVERSE.(all)

peace.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2012,08:13)

Can you please respond to this scripture. John1:3. ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM(thE WORD) WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE. All the angels;Michael included was made by the word. How can Michael be the word? ALL THINGS= ALL CREATURES AND THE UNIVERSE.(all) peace. wakeup.

Hi Wake-up, excellent point!

That is why “The Word”(which is God's HolySpirit) must be GOD!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Hi Ed,

Don't you believe Jesus is a creation of his God?

[terraricca]

edj

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That is why “The Word”(which is God's HolySpirit) must be GOD!

wrong,the holy spirit is of God not God,

you see ed, when the president of the USA gives orders he sit in his office but it is the men beside him that receive the power to fulfill his will,or words

but what they doing is not from them it is from the president right ,and the spirit (the reason of the action of the will )still the president right ??

it does not matter how many people intervene to perform the will of the president right ?

it will still be the president will and spirit ,

and so it is with God

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 11 2012,11:05)

Hi Ed, Don't you believe Jesus is a creation of his God?

Hi Mike,

No, an offspring.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 11 2012,11:08)

edj Quote That is why “The Word”(which is God's HolySpirit) must be GOD! wrong,the holy spirit is of God not God, you see ed, when the president of the USA gives orders he sit in his office but it is the men beside him that receive the power to fulfill his will,or words but what they doing is not from them it is from the president right ,and the spirit (the reason of the action of the will )still the president right ?? it does not matter how many people intervene to perform the will of the president right ? it will still be the president will and spirit , and so it is with God Pierre

Hi Pierre,

Glad you understand that the Presidents word and will
are the same; thank you for helping me make my point!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2012,18:23)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 11 2012,11:08) edj Quote That is why “The Word”(which is God's HolySpirit) must be GOD! wrong,the holy spirit is of God not God, you see ed, when the president of the USA gives orders he sit in his office but it is the men beside him that receive the power to fulfill his will,or words but what they doing is not from them it is from the president right ,and the spirit (the reason of the action of the will )still the president right ?? it does not matter how many people intervene to perform the will of the president right ? it will still be the president will and spirit , and so it is with God Pierre Hi Pierre, Glad you understand that the Presidents word and will are the same; thank you for helping me make my point! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

If you read my comment ,it clearly shows that it disagree with your view ,read it again and understand ,or what is the name of the one that speaks for the President in the USA ??
he is the president spokesman and so his Christ the spokesman of God and toward all of creation ,your confusion is that you mixing the name of the one that is the spokesman and the will of God to be done ,”THE WORD OF GOD” IS THE SPOKESMAN ,THE WILL OF GOD ARE GODS SPOKEN WORDS,NOT THE SAME THING ,

AND GOD MADE HIM A GOD JUST LIKE HE DID WITH MOSES,

Pierre

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

Are you referring to the Presidents “Press Secretary”?
The President speaks for himself, with of course
the aid of his many speech writers.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,10:51)

Hi Pierre, Are you referring to the Presidents “Press Secretary”? The President speaks for himself, with of course the aid of his many speech writers. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

yes ,but this is just a example

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 12 2012,07:10)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,10:51) Hi Pierre, Are you referring to the Presidents “Press Secretary”? The President speaks for himself, with of course the aid of his many speech writers. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj yes ,but this is just a example Pierre

Hi Pierre,

It is a good example.
The Presidents word and
his will are the same, correct?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,14:22)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 12 2012,07:10) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,10:51) Hi Pierre, Are you referring to the Presidents “Press Secretary”? The President speaks for himself, with of course the aid of his many speech writers. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj yes ,but this is just a example Pierre Hi Pierre, It is a good example. The Presidents word and his will are the same, correct? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

yes but the one(s) that fulfill it are not ,”THE WORD OF GOD “IS NOT GOD SPEAKING and that is what you do not understand ,

John does not talk about the scriptures in John1;1but about the one thay is called “THE WORD OF GOD” big difference

you understand??

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2012,18:18)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 11 2012,11:05) Hi Ed, Don't you believe Jesus is a creation of his God? Hi Mike, No, an offspring. God bless Ed J

Are you both an “offspring” AND a “creation”?

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 12 2012,07:35)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,14:22) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 12 2012,07:10) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,10:51) Hi Pierre, Are you referring to the Presidents “Press Secretary”? The President speaks for himself, with of course the aid of his many speech writers. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj yes ,but this is just a example Pierre Hi Pierre, It is a good example. The Presidents word and his will are the same, correct? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj yes but the one(s) that fulfill it are not ,”THE WORD OF GOD “IS NOT GOD SPEAKING and that is what you do not understand , John does not talk about the scriptures in John1;1but about the one thay is called “THE WORD OF GOD” big difference you understand?? Pierre

Hi Pierre,

You mean like we fulfill God's will and we are not God?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 12 2012,08:48)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2012,18:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 11 2012,11:05) Hi Ed, Don't you believe Jesus is a creation of his God? Hi Mike, No, an offspring. God bless Ed J Are you both an “offspring” AND a “creation”?

Hi Mike,

In that respect I agree.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,17:12)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 12 2012,07:35) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,14:22) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 12 2012,07:10) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,10:51) Hi Pierre, Are you referring to the Presidents “Press Secretary”? The President speaks for himself, with of course the aid of his many speech writers. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj yes ,but this is just a example Pierre Hi Pierre, It is a good example. The Presidents word and his will are the same, correct? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj yes but the one(s) that fulfill it are not ,”THE WORD OF GOD “IS NOT GOD SPEAKING and that is what you do not understand , John does not talk about the scriptures in John1;1but about the one thay is called “THE WORD OF GOD” big difference you understand?? Pierre Hi Pierre, You mean like we fulfill God's will and we are not God? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

yes,that is why  THE WORD OF GOD IS CHRIST ,THE ONE THAT FULFILLS THE WILL OF GOD,

SO THE WORD IS NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT AS YOU LIKE IT TO BE

Pierre

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

         “The Word” was the anointing that Christ had.

The Greek language has past/present combined tenses, modern English does not.
The original texts have many instances where our more modern vernacular lacks
the clarity of single words that contain past, present, or future tenses combined.

That's why YHVH chose 1611 English, because it had combined tenses as well.
Such as, holpen, meetest and saith. Saith means: “is said and says”, meetest
means: “is met, meets, and will meet”, and holpen means: “is helped and will help”.

In modern English, the word “you” lacks exactness of meaning and is rarely used in the AKJV Bible. Modern
usage of the word “you” could mean “an individual”, “a couple of people”, or even “a large group of people”.
1611 lexicon is more precise with words such as “Ye” used for a group and “Thou” for an individual. Also words
like thy, thee, and thine are among many such words used in the AKJV Bible. Without understanding of the originally
written texts, the current reader wanting a modern “word for word” translation is usually ignorant of these “technicalities”.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 15 2012,03:12)

Hi Pierre,          “The Word” was the anointing that Christ had. The Greek language has past/present combined tenses, modern English does not. The original texts have many instances where our more modern vernacular lacks the clarity of single words that contain past, present, or future tenses combined. That's why YHVH chose 1611 English, because it had combined tenses as well. Such as, holpen, meetest and saith. Saith means: “is said and says”, meetest means: “is met, meets, and will meet”, and holpen means: “is helped and will help”. In modern English, the word “you” lacks exactness of meaning and is rarely used in the AKJV Bible. Modern usage of the word “you” could mean “an individual”, “a couple of people”, or even “a large group of people”. 1611 lexicon is more precise with words such as “Ye” used for a group and “Thou” for an individual. Also words like thy, thee, and thine are among many such words used in the AKJV Bible. Without understanding of the originally written texts, the current reader wanting a modern “word for word” translation is usually ignorant of these “technicalities”. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

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“The Word” was the anointing that Christ had.

first you have no scripture for claiming this interpretation,SO IT IS YOUR DECEITFUL NATURE WHO IS SPEAKING,

the fact that this as been debated extremely well and you have not learn nothing ;

this is your and only your false understanding ;

John ,in the gospel and in Revelation shows THAT “THE WORD “IS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD AND IS WITH GOD,BUT NOT GOD IS A GOD BUT NOT THE FATHER,OF WITCH HE IS THE SON,

YOUR BELIEVE IN THE SECOND RETURN OF CHRIST BEING AT THE PENTECOST,AND THE WORD OF GOD BEING THE HOLY SPIRIT ,THOSE ARE NON SCRIPTURAL DOCTRINES ,

YOU HAVE NOW SHOWN THAT YOU HAVE A GOSPEL DIFFERENT OF THE ONE THAT CHRIST AS PREACHED AND THE APOSTLES ,SO YOU ARE A DECEIVER AS WELL,

EDJ YOU ARE SLIPPING AWAY FROM GODS WORD (SCRIPTURES)

Pierre

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