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We can start with the fact that I believe the account of Genesis to be just what it says..a 6 day creation (evening and morning).Ge 1:14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,
Ge 1:15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.
Ge 1:16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
Ge 1:17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth,
Ge 1:18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.
Ge 1:19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.please forgive for the intervention in this ;but i have one question ;how is your believe possible if God only created the 24 hour days including two parts NIGHT /DAY TIME. in the FOURTH DAYS OF CREATION ,SO WHEN IT SAYS THAT THEIR WAS A EVENING AND AN MORNING ” IT CANNOT BE REFER TO A REGULAR DAY OF 24 HOURS AS WE KNOW IT ,BUT MORE AS AN BEGINNING AND AN END TO ONE OF THE PARTS OF GOD'S CREATION ,RIGHT
THIS IS WHAT I HAVE UNDERSTOOD FROM SCRIPTURES ;Please I thank you all for letting me post this ,i am only looking for the answer ,and so you can delete this post as you feel and see fit ,
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We can start with the fact that I believe the account of Genesis to be just what it says..a 6 day creation (evening and morning).Ge 1:14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,
Ge 1:15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.
Ge 1:16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
Ge 1:17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth,
Ge 1:18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.
Ge 1:19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.please forgive for the intervention in this ;but i have one question ;how is your believe possible if God only created the 24 hour days including two parts NIGHT /DAY TIME. in the FOURTH DAYS OF CREATION ,SO WHEN IT SAYS THAT THEIR WAS A EVENING AND AN MORNING ” IT CANNOT BE REFER TO A REGULAR DAY OF 24 HOURS AS WE KNOW IT ,BUT MORE AS AN BEGINNING AND AN END TO ONE OF THE PARTS OF GOD'S CREATION ,RIGHT
THIS IS WHAT I HAVE UNDERSTOOD FROM SCRIPTURES ;Please I thank you all for letting me post this ,i am only looking for the answer ,and so you can delete this post as you feel and see fit ,
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Now consider..
Genesis 6:3
And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.That is 120 years. Now, obviously God is not speaking of a literal 120 years, right? But, if we look at Jubilee years (50), which is the time when the land goes “back to the owner.”
We have a “lease” on our dominion here.So..120 x 50 (Jubilees) = 6000 years
Remember, a day to the Lord is a thousand years and a thousand years are a day.
So, Is God still working now? Yes, according to Jesus.
This means God has not rested yet, right?When will He rest? On the 7th day OR at the end of 6000 years!!
Who will be “working”? Jesus. What will God be doing? Resting. (No, of course He does not need rest, that's just what scripture says He will do)
For how long? 1000 years OR..a day to the Lord!!
Does not the Bible state that Jesus will rule for 1000 years and then turn all things over to God? Yes.
Now, our calender is wrong. It is actually a pagan calender. The Jews use a different calender and their days are evening to morning. Their calender is based on the moon cycle, our's is based on the sun. Their feast days, or should I say God's feast days, are on this cycle, too. Our calender is a Gregorian calender that we can also thank the same council who gave us the “trinity” for creating. We have had about 4000 years before Christ and about 2000 years after Christ entered this world. This means we are VERY close to the end.
Yes, our God is big enough to create everything in 6 literal days. He could have created everything in one nanosecond if He so chose. I believe that the 6 day creation is symbolic of our 6000 year dominion on this earth followed by the 1000 years of “rest.”
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I would like to discuss this subject more deeply with you ,so would you agree to have an one on one discussion in a new topic
if yes ;could t8 please move this quotes in a new topic
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Yes. I will do my best to keep up.
ok, t8 please could make an one on one topic for only both of us ,thank you
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i am just a fishermanwhat I want to discuss first is the seven days of creation ;and i would start with the first ;Genesis 1-1
Ge 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
this is what I have come to understand ; IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATE THE HEAVEN Col 1:15 He(the only begotten son of God ) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation; and it would also after this that the angels were created because they are a part of God's heaven (not the earth heaven)
Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me(his only begotten son ) forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity,
from the beginning, before the world began.
Pr 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
Pr 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.and the earth I BELIEVE THAT WHEN IT SAYS EARTH IT ALSO MEANS ALL ITS ACCESSORIES AND NEEDS TO BE COME IN EXISTENCE,BEING THAT THE EARTH WAS THE ULTIMATE FOCUS OF GOD'S CREATION ;so i have to assume that all planets ,solar ,galaxies ,stars and what not are included within that statement ,(i am still talking about the raw visible base materiel)
so this work is not included in any of the seven days ;so no time or space is given on it ,it as been built OUT OF TIME
Ge 1:2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
now we can look at the first days of creation
Ge 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
Ge 1:4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.
Ge 1:5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.the question here is what IS THE LIGHT
BECAUSE AFTER INSPECTION (VERSE 2) AFTER THE TIME WAS NOW RIGHT ,THIS WAS HOW GOD SAYS HE FOUND THE CONDITION OF THE EARTH IT SELF ; IT APPEARED THAT THEIR WAS NO LIGHT (SPECTRUM) THE LIGHT AS WE KNOW IT TODAY NOT THE CYCLE BUT THE LIGHT IT SELF ,THE LIGHT IS CALLED “DAY” THIS IS FOR THE OBVIOUS REASON WE CAN SEE EVERYTHING ,AND DARKNESS “NIGHT ” ALSO FOR THE OBVIOUS REASON BECAUSE IT CANNOT ALLOW VIEW INTO IT ;BUT AT THIS POINT GOD DO NOT SET A CYCLE TO THAT LIGHT ,BECAUSE AT THIS POINT ,SEE THAT HE DID NOT YET SEPARATE,THE EXPANSE OF THE WATERS WAS NOT YET MADE ,SO THE LIGHT CREATED WAS FOR ALL THE VISIBLE CREATION THAT GOD AD CREATED (THE SPECTRUM OF LIGHT )YOUR TURN
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 30 2013,09:45) what I want to discuss first is the seven days of creation ;and i would start with the first ;Genesis 1-1 Ge 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
this is what I have come to understand ; IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATE THE HEAVEN Col 1:15 He(the only begotten son of God ) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation; and it would also after this that the angels were created because they are a part of God's heaven (not the earth heaven)
Just to let you know, I work 12 hour night shift, and I work a lot. If I do not get back with you right away, that is why. Many mornings I am just to tired after working all night to come on here, but I will post as soon as I can.Now, I will start by saying that I do not believe God “created” Jesus in the beginning. Clearly, the only “begotten” is born not “created.” That being said, I would rather stick to only talking about the 6 days of creation for now, since I am already having a preexistence conversation with Mike and t8. I hope you understand. I do not want to confuse myself with who I told what to. It would lead to a lot of “repeating myself” to the same person, or not telling them something because I thought I already told them. I will, for now, just say we disagree about when Jesus “came into the picture.”
Quote Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me(his only begotten son ) forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity,
from the beginning, before the world began.
Pr 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
Pr 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.Proverbs 8 speaks of “Wisdom.” The Jewish people personify words in writing. All wisdom is FROM God. This is just declaring God's Greatness as He embodies wisdom.
Quote Ge 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. To me (and I by no means claim to have all the answers), this means exactly what it says..
In the beginning (time started)
God (He did it..by Himself)
Created the heaven and earth (not the “completed” heaven and earth, but the structure “base”)Quote and the earth I BELIEVE THAT WHEN IT SAYS EARTH IT ALSO MEANS ALL ITS ACCESSORIES AND NEEDS TO BE COME IN EXISTENCE,BEING THAT THE EARTH WAS THE ULTIMATE FOCUS OF GOD'S CREATION ;so i have to assume that all planets ,solar ,galaxies ,stars and what not are included within that statement ,(i am still talking about the raw visible base materiel) The earth is just that..the earth. Earth was created as a sphere of water. The atmosphere was formed on day 2 and the earth was formed on day 3
The planets (or “roaming stars” as they are also known as), stars, sun, moon, are created on day 4. He then PUT these “bodies” into the heavens.
Quote so this work is not included in any of the seven days ;so no time or space is given on it ,it as been built OUT OF TIME I disagree because Genesis 1:1 STARTS with IN THE BEGINNING. This would BE the start of TIME. God does NOT have a beginning. EVERYTHING ELSE, including angels, are created “in time.” The ONLY timeless being is GOD. That makes sense, right?
Quote Ge 1:2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. now we can look at the first days of creation
Ge 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
Ge 1:4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.
Ge 1:5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.Quote the question here is what IS THE LIGHT BECAUSE AFTER INSPECTION (VERSE 2) AFTER THE TIME WAS NOW RIGHT ,THIS WAS HOW GOD SAYS HE FOUND THE CONDITION OF THE EARTH IT SELF ; IT APPEARED THAT THEIR WAS NO LIGHT (SPECTRUM) THE LIGHT AS WE KNOW IT TODAY NOT THE CYCLE BUT THE LIGHT IT SELF ,THE LIGHT IS CALLED “DAY” THIS IS FOR THE OBVIOUS REASON WE CAN SEE EVERYTHING ,AND DARKNESS “NIGHT ” ALSO FOR THE OBVIOUS REASON BECAUSE IT CANNOT ALLOW VIEW INTO IT ;BUT AT THIS POINT GOD DO NOT SET A CYCLE TO THAT LIGHT ,BECAUSE AT THIS POINT ,SEE THAT HE DID NOT YET SEPARATE,THE EXPANSE OF THE WATERS WAS NOT YET MADE ,SO THE LIGHT CREATED WAS FOR ALL THE VISIBLE CREATION THAT GOD AD CREATED (THE SPECTRUM OF LIGHT )I see it like this. The Bible has many things that have dual meanings..sometimes more. So, I see the light as 1) light and 2) the revealed “Glory of the Lord.”
First let's take the meaning as “light.”
Notice that in the Genesis creation account God created things first in a “rough” or “uncompleted” phase. Then, God “completed” or “shaped” His creation. He COULD have created everything “completed” in one second, but for whatever reason..He didn't.Consider how He created “heaven” and “earth”, but He did not yet fill the heaven with it's heavenly bodies or the earth with land or atmosphere. He did not fill the earth with the animals, fish, or people. He created the “bones” of the earth first then filled it. He created the space of heaven..then filled it. And so, I believe that He created light; and then, He “formed” it into the sun and stars.
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.So, He FIRST created the element of light and formed it later into what He wanted, just like He did with the heaven and earth.
Psalm 74:16
The day is thine, the night also is thine: thou hast prepared the light and the sun.Notice that He lists the “light” and the “sun” as two different things here.
Now..let's consider the light as “God's glory revealed.”
We know that God's glory is described as “light”. What did this “light” do? It divided the “light” from the “darkness”. We know that the Bible says that there “is no darkness in God.” Notice, God only calls the light “good” in Genesis 1:4.1 John 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.2 Corinthia
ns 4:6
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.So, it would appear by this verse that the “light that God commanded to shine out of the darkness” was the same light “that showed the glory of God”!
Psalm 97:6
The heavens declare his righteousness, and all the people see his glory.I believe that this is saying that when we look up into the heavens by day (sun) or night (moon and stars) we SEE His glory. Which is to say..”the LIGHT of His glory” that He used to make the celestial bodies!!
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(so this work is not included in any of the seven days ;so no time or space is given on it ,it as been built OUT OF TIME)I disagree because Genesis 1:1 STARTS with IN THE BEGINNING. This would BE the start of TIME. God does NOT have a beginning. EVERYTHING ELSE, including angels, are created “in time.” The ONLY timeless being is GOD. That makes sense, right?
WHAT I WAS REALLY POINTING OUT is that the beginning means that it was done prior to the beginning of the creation to transforming the earth into a living place for the ultimate creation of man,
Quote First let's take the meaning as “light.”
Notice that in the Genesis creation account God created things first in a “rough” or “uncompleted” phase. Then, God “completed” or “shaped” His creation. He COULD have created everything “completed” in one second, but for whatever reason..He didn't.Consider how He created “heaven” and “earth”, but He did not yet fill the heaven with it's heavenly bodies or the earth with land or atmosphere. He did not fill the earth with the animals, fish, or people. He created the “bones” of the earth first then filled it. He created the space of heaven..then filled it. And so, I believe that He created light; and then, He “formed” it into the sun and stars.
first let separate the lights; two lights are knowed to me in scriptures the physical light and the spiritual light
do you know any other one ?Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 01 2013,05:43) JB Quote Quote
(so this work is not included in any of the seven days ;so no time or space is given on it ,it as been built OUT OF TIME)I disagree because Genesis 1:1 STARTS with IN THE BEGINNING. This would BE the start of TIME. God does NOT have a beginning. EVERYTHING ELSE, including angels, are created “in time.” The ONLY timeless being is GOD. That makes sense, right?
WHAT I WAS REALLY POINTING OUT is that the beginning means that it was done prior to the beginning of the creation to transforming the earth into a living place for the ultimate creation of man,
Quote First let's take the meaning as “light.”
Notice that in the Genesis creation account God created things first in a “rough” or “uncompleted” phase. Then, God “completed” or “shaped” His creation. He COULD have created everything “completed” in one second, but for whatever reason..He didn't.Consider how He created “heaven” and “earth”, but He did not yet fill the heaven with it's heavenly bodies or the earth with land or atmosphere. He did not fill the earth with the animals, fish, or people. He created the “bones” of the earth first then filled it. He created the space of heaven..then filled it. And so, I believe that He created light; and then, He “formed” it into the sun and stars.
first let separate the lights; two lights are knowed to me in scriptures the physical light and the spiritual light
do you know any other one ?
I am not sure I understand exactly what you are saying..In the beginning means..IN THE BEGINNING.
This is the exact moment time STARTED!!
And, the first thing He created was the heaven and earth.
Why do you question a creation in 6 literal days?
Keep in mind that God repeats for us that He did it in 6 days!!
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.Exodus 31:17
It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.Do you question other “6 day” verses?
Exodus 16:26
Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.Do you think God is telling us that we should “gather for millions of years; but on the 300th day we should not?”
This is symbolic of the 6 day creation. Again, God KNOWS the difference between 6 days and 6 billion. Why should we question this? We seem to question it because we “think” we have proof that the earth is older, but this is just lies put out there by satan to get us to doubt God's word!!
Again, please answer..
Why do you question a creation in 6 literal days?
Do you question other “6 day” verses?.
jb
Quote Why do you question a creation in 6 literal days? Keep in mind that God repeats for us that He did it in 6 days!!
I t seems that you said that God created all things in 6 days (24 hour) if this is not true ,I miss understood what you had written ,because to me it only means that God as created all things in six periods in time ,each time composed by the amount of works descripted ,within that time ,
now my understanding in the scriptures of Gene;1;1 ,what says IN THE BEGINNING ” GOD CREATED “THE HEAVEN ” AND THE “EARTH ” MEANS TO ME THAT THIS WAS ACCOMPLISHED PRIOR TO THE FIRST DAY OF CREATION ,described in Gen;1;2-31
so is this what you are agreeing with me on ,???
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 02 2013,02:48) jb Quote Why do you question a creation in 6 literal days? Keep in mind that God repeats for us that He did it in 6 days!!
I t seems that you said that God created all things in 6 days (24 hour) if this is not true ,I miss understood what you had written ,because to me it only means that God as created all things in six periods in time ,each time composed by the amount of works descripted ,within that time ,
now my understanding in the scriptures of Gene;1;1 ,what says IN THE BEGINNING ” GOD CREATED “THE HEAVEN ” AND THE “EARTH ” MEANS TO ME THAT THIS WAS ACCOMPLISHED PRIOR TO THE FIRST DAY OF CREATION ,described in Gen;1;2-31
so is this what you are agreeing with me on ,???
I believe in a 6 day (24 hour) creation.Day 1 ..time, the space of heaven, the void of form earth, and light were created.
I went on to explain that God tells us later on in the Bible that it was “6 days”; so, who are we to question if it was in 6 days or not? If God says that it was 6 days..then I believe that it was created in 6 days!
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.Do you see? GOD says that HE made heaven, earth, the sea, and all that is in them in 6 days..and rested on the seventh. Where does He say “6 periods of time”?
My questions to you are..
1) Why do you question the account in Genesis of a 6 literal day creation?
2) Do you question other “6 day” verses?
bj
Quote I believe in a 6 day (24 hour) creation. prove to me that this is the case with scriptures ,or any other way except ridiculously
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 08 2013,08:26) bj Quote I believe in a 6 day (24 hour) creation. prove to me that this is the case with scriptures ,or any other way except ridiculously
OK..I agree that sometimes “a day” can mean “a period of time” such as “the day of the Lord.”HOWEVER..every time..Again..EVERY TIME the bible uses the word “day” along with “evening” or “morning” it always, ALWAYS means a literal “day.”
And again..God says in Exodus 20:11 that it was 6 days. He doesn't say “a period of time.”
Do you not think God, who created time, can tell time?
Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 08 2013,04:31) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 08 2013,08:26) bj Quote I believe in a 6 day (24 hour) creation. prove to me that this is the case with scriptures ,or any other way except ridiculously
OK..I agree that sometimes “a day” can mean “a period of time” such as “the day of the Lord.”HOWEVER..every time..Again..EVERY TIME the bible uses the word “day” along with “evening” or “morning” it always, ALWAYS means a literal “day.”
And again..God says in Exodus 20:11 that it was 6 days. He doesn't say “a period of time.”
Do you not think God, who created time, can tell time?
JBfirst let it be clear ;start stop = time past
day = time within a defined period like 8 hours shift ,or 10,or 12 ,etc
day for calculation of months ,years ,365 = 1 year –30 days = 1 month ,SPAN OF TIME ,RIGHT
so my day is probably not your day ,right
and we know from scriptures that this is the very truth WITH GOD ,BECAUSE PETER CALL THAT ONE DAY IS LIKE A 1000 YEARS OF US MEN ,
AND THAT IF WE LOOK AT SCRIPTURES WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE EXPRESSIONS GIVEN BY GOD INTO HIS WILL TO DO OR BRING FORTH HIS POWER AND THERMS TO WHAT HAPPEN IN THIS WICKET WORLD AS ALSO DIFFERENT MEANINGS ;LIKE
Ge 6:3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years.” (COMBINATION OF TIME FOR ACTION)
PS 37:10 Yet a little while and the wicked man will be no more;
And you will look carefully for his place and he will not be there.AGAIN THOSE WORDS WERE SAID BY DAVID ,AND YET WE ARE STILL THE WAY IT WAS THEN ; SO AGAIN “WHILE = TIME SPAN OVER TIME “
AGAIN;JER 51:33 For thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel:
“The daughter of Babylon is like a threshing floor
At the time it is stamped firm;
Yet in a little while the time of harvest will come for her.”AND MANY MORE SCRIPTURES LIKE IT ,
1PE 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
here again ;time is used for the activity of judging the nations of men ;and we know it is still going on sins Adam ,
time +/- 6000 years ,
Ge 1:5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
this verse created light “called it A DAY ;IS IT A LIE ? WHAT WOULD YOU CALL IT ,PRIOR TO ITS EXISTENCE,IT WAS NOT THERE ;SO CREATED THEN NAME IT ;
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT “NIGHT WAS ATTACHED TO “DAY” FOR SOME REASON THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND IN SOME WAY ,
MY QUESTION TO YOU IS THIS ;WHY DID GOD CALLED IT ” BY STARTING ” AND THERE WAS “EVENING ” AND THERE WAS MORNING ”
AND NOW WHY DO YOU PUT A TIME ON THIS
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 08 2013,13:36) JB first let it be clear ;start stop = time past
day = time within a defined period like 8 hours shift ,or 10,or 12 ,etc
day for calculation of months ,years ,365 = 1 year –30 days = 1 month ,SPAN OF TIME ,RIGHT
so my day is probably not your day ,right
You did not answer my question yet!!1) WHY do you question the literal 6 day creation, even though God tells us it was 6 days?
2) Do you question other “day” passages? Such as, was Jesus resurrected after THREE days or was it a “period of time”? Will the witnesses prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days OR is this just a “period of time.”
But..on to your questions/comments..
Quote and we know from scriptures that this is the very truth WITH GOD ,BECAUSE PETER CALL THAT ONE DAY IS LIKE A 1000 YEARS OF US MEN , This is only said in the CONTEXT of the end of days. This would fit perfectly with my belief that God has given us 6,000 years to have dominion on this earth. We know He created everything in 6 days..but Peter tells us that when it comes to the end..a day is like a thousand years..AND SO..6,000 years.
Quote AND THAT IF WE LOOK AT SCRIPTURES WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE EXPRESSIONS GIVEN BY GOD INTO HIS WILL TO DO OR BRING FORTH HIS POWER AND THERMS TO WHAT HAPPEN IN THIS WICKET WORLD AS ALSO DIFFERENT MEANINGS ;LIKE Ge 6:3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years.” (COMBINATION OF TIME FOR ACTION)
Again, we KNOW that He did not mean a literal 120 years, BUT if we look at Jubilee years..that would be 6,000 years!!
Quote PS 37:10 Yet a little while and the wicked man will be no more;
And you will look carefully for his place and he will not be there.AGAIN THOSE WORDS WERE SAID BY DAVID ,AND YET WE ARE STILL THE WAY IT WAS THEN ; SO AGAIN “WHILE = TIME SPAN OVER TIME “
YES..he said “a little while”. He did NOT say “and the eve and morning was day 1” now did He? So, we are left comparing apples with oranges.
Quote AGAIN;JER 51:33 For thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel:
“The daughter of Babylon is like a threshing floor
At the time it is stamped firm;
Yet in a little while the time of harvest will come for her.”AND MANY MORE SCRIPTURES LIKE IT ,
We are in complete agreement that God does talk of “time periods” in the Bible; however, that has NOTHING to day with the fact that GOD says that He created everything in 6 days. We have to have some kind of “proof” that it was not in 6 literal days in order to question if God maybe meant it symbolically. Otherwise, let's just take HIS word for it.
Quote 1PE 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? here again ;time is used for the activity of judging the nations of men ;and we know it is still going on sins Adam ,
time +/- 6000 years ,
EXACTLY!!
Quote Ge 1:5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. this verse created light “called it A DAY ;IS IT A LIE ? WHAT WOULD YOU CALL IT ,PRIOR TO ITS EXISTENCE,IT WAS NOT THERE ;SO CREATED THEN NAME IT ;
Yes, He created then named it. What is so hard to believe about that? I did not name my son and then proceed to “make” him; although, I am sure some do, but God could have named then created..what is the point?
Quote IT SEEMS TO ME THAT “NIGHT WAS ATTACHED TO “DAY” FOR SOME REASON THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND IN SOME WAY , MY QUESTION TO YOU IS THIS ;WHY DID GOD CALLED IT ” BY STARTING ” AND THERE WAS “EVENING ” AND THERE WAS MORNING ”
Well, evening STARTS when the sun goes down. Thus, first there was dark then the light. And so, the day starts with darkness and ends with light, just like it is now. We live in “darkness”, but one day we will have eternal light. He knows that it started off “dark” until He created “light.” He was telling us the order of things.
Quote AND NOW WHY DO YOU PUT A TIME ON THIS I do not “put a time on this.” It was God that did!! Does not the day and night run on time? Did I create this? Did I create the day/night cycle? No. God did!! You have to ask God why HE put a time on it, not me!!
Now, I am still wondering exactly WHY you are questioning a 6 day creation. God created everything to have fellowship with MAN. What would be his purpose in taking 6 billion years and then creating man? It just does not make sense. We KNOW, according to genealogy in the Bible, “mankind” has been on earth about 6,000 years. So again, why would God spend 24 billion years creating a world FOR US when He could have done it in a nanosecond?
Jb2u……Just something to think about brother, remember when God told Adam and Eve, in “THE DAY”, you eat (of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil) you shall surely die”> Well they did not Die in that 24 hour period day they ate of it, but they did die withing the 1000 year period, after they ate of it, in fact no man has lived over a thousand years. Just something to think about brother, remember Peter tells us that a thousand years with God is as a Day, and a Day is as a thousand years. One equals the other. Again just something to think about brother.
peace and love to you and your…………………………………….gene
Quote 1) WHY do you question the literal 6 day creation, even though God tells us it was 6 days? 2) Do you question other “day” passages? Such as, was Jesus resurrected after THREE days or was it a “period of time”? Will the witnesses prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days OR is this just a “period of time.”
Ge 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
Ge 1:4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.
Ge 1:5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.day ;2 and three ……………………
Ge 1:14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,
Ge 1:15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.
Ge 1:16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
Ge 1:17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth,
Ge 1:18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.
Ge 1:19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.so the cycle of days on earth of 24 hours was only set in place on the fourth day ,so how could be in place on the first
Quote This is only said in the CONTEXT of the end of days. This would fit perfectly with my belief that God has given us 6,000 years to have dominion on this earth. We know He created everything in 6 days..but Peter tells us that when it comes to the end..a day is like a thousand years..AND SO..6,000 years. this is also the believe of the JW
to my understanding DAY only equaled time ,and not always the same time either
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 20 2013,02:08) Jb2u……Just something to think about brother, remember when God told Adam and Eve, in “THE DAY”, you eat (of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil) you shall surely die”> Well they did not Die in that 24 hour period day they ate of it, but they did die withing the 1000 year period, after they ate of it, in fact no man has lived over a thousand years. Just something to think about brother, remember Peter tells us that a thousand years with God is as a Day, and a Day is as a thousand years. One equals the other. Again just something to think about brother. peace and love to you and your…………………………………….gene
I do not object to this and have used it before.My point is that the scripture terraricca quotes is, in context, about the coming of the Lord.
Now, we can also say that on THE DAY Adam ate of the fruit there was a “spiritual” death. At that moment, his body started dying.
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 20 2013,12:44) Ge 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
Ge 1:4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.
Ge 1:5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.day ;2 and three ……………………
Ge 1:14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,
Ge 1:15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.
Ge 1:16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
Ge 1:17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth,
Ge 1:18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.
Ge 1:19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.so the cycle of days on earth of 24 hours was only set in place on the fourth day ,so how could be in place on the first
Yes..and Genesis STARTS OFF with..”In the BEGINNING”This STARTS time!! God does NOT have a time, for He is timeless. The CLOCK started with..the beginning!!
NOW..right away in Gen 1:3, we see that He created “light.” This light separated the darkness. So, even though it was not yet the sun, we still had light and darkness separated.
Keep in mind, He did not complete the earth complete. He created it without form and void. He did not create the heavens complete. He filled them later. Now, why should we not believe that He created light and then formed it into the sun and stars? It still “fits” with HOW He created everything.
Also..understand, the sun “keeps time” for US!! God does not need the sun to keep time for Him. So, God's “time” can start in darkness, without a sun!!
Also, look at a place like Alaska, where they may have sunlight for 20-24 hours at times. Does not Alaska still have 24 hours in a “day”? The point is GOD created time. He created the 24 hour cycle. If God says that He created everything in 6 days, then WHY should we believe that it was anything less or more than 6 days that were 24 hours each?
Quote Quote This is only said in the CONTEXT of the end of days. This would fit perfectly with my belief that God has given us 6,000 years to have dominion on this earth. We know He created everything in 6 days..but Peter tells us that when it comes to the end..a day is like a thousand years..AND SO..6,000 years. this is also the believe of the JW
Muslims do not believe in a trinity. Catholics believe that Jesus was crucified. Baptists believe that you must believe Jesus died for your sins. Buddhists believe that you should not kill. The point is all religions may be right about something here and there, but I'm not exactly sure what your point is??
However, JW's also believe that Jesus is Michael and that they are the 144,000 sealed Jews. So, they are wrong.
Quote to my understanding DAY only equaled time ,and not always the same time either My friend, yes, a “day” can equal a certain “amount of time”, but again..it can also mean a 24 hour period!!
The question is still WHY would you doubt that GOD created the everything in a “certain amount of time” instead of 6 literal days when He said that He did it in “6 days”. AND THEN, He went on to say I worked 6 days and then rested on the 7th..so SHOULD YOU!!
THAT is our proof. He doesn't tell us to work for “a certain period of time” and then rest..NO NO NO. He tells us that we should do just like Him and work 6 days and then rest. Why is that so hard to understand?
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