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He already states Jehovah gave him a command.

He was also killed with those that worshiped the Baal of Peor.

That is his error and its wages were death.

i REALLY DO suggest that you read the entire story of the events with balaam and Balak , in the bible you have no clue who is who and what .never mind why .

I have read it and already pointed out Balaam treats Jehovah as God. He just had at least two Gods.

Numbers 22:8
King James Version (KJV)

8 And he said unto them, Lodge here this night, and I will bring you word again, as the Lord(Jehovah)? shall speak unto me: and the princes of Moab abode with Balaam.

what is Balaam do for a living

He seemed to have been a priest and a prophet, who chose to serve at least both Jehovah and the Baal of Peor.

NU 22:5 So he sent messengers to Balaam the son of Beor, at Pethor, which is near the River, in the land of the sons of his people, to call him, saying, “Behold, a people came out of Egypt; behold, they cover the surface of the land, and they are living opposite me.
NU 22:7 So the elders of Moab and the elders of Midian departed with the fees for divination in their hand; and they came to Balaam and repeated Balak’s words to him.

so balaam his one of his people I mean from balak and he was a type of medium , and it is God that uses him but not him worshiping the God of his enemy or enemy of his king balak

Balaam consulted Jehovah on what to say though he was enticed to do evil. Even then he did right and blessed Israel.

Balsam is a medium and so consult for a prize,any god

He stated it was Jehovah's word he was bringing.

July 22, 2013 at 6:16 pm#351318

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He already states Jehovah gave him a command.

He was also killed with those that worshiped the Baal of Peor.

That is his error and its wages were death.

i REALLY DO suggest that you read the entire story of the events with balaam and Balak , in the bible you have no clue who is who and what .never mind why .

I have read it and already pointed out Balaam treats Jehovah as God. He just had at least two Gods.

Numbers 22:8
King James Version (KJV)

8 And he said unto them, Lodge here this night, and I will bring you word again, as the Lord(Jehovah)? shall speak unto me: and the princes of Moab abode with Balaam.

what is Balaam do for a living

He seemed to have been a priest and a prophet, who chose to serve at least both Jehovah and the Baal of Peor.

so balaam his one of his people I mean from balak and he was a type of medium , and it is God that uses him but not him worshiping the God of his enemy or enemy of his king balak

Balaam consulted Jehovah on what to say though he was enticed to do evil. Even then he did right and blessed Israel.

He did right

Each time he says a curse God turns it into a blessing,

And last he proposed to corrup the Israelites

He was instructed by a man to curse Israel but his answer was.

Numbers 23:26
King James Version (KJV)

26 But Balaam answered and said unto Balak, Told not I thee, saying, All that the Lord(Jehovah) speaketh, that I must do?

July 22, 2013 at 7:40 pm#351324

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(NIV Perversion) Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering

a true man of truth ,if you where one you would show the KJV side by side with the NIV and show the difference and how it is so in error ,but you did not do that

Hi Pierre,

“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Abstain from all appearance of evil.” (1Thess5:21-22)
(the NIV is the appearance of 'EVIL'!)

GOD said instead to “OFFER” his son as a burnt offering (see Gen.22:2-18),
WHICH ABRAHAM FAITHFULLY DID, did he not? (<– please answer)

(Gen 22:2) “OFFER HIM there for a burnt offering” (AKJV Bible)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

Show the NIV with the KJV and see it

NIV in red
AKJV Bible in blue

I do not see any difference ,OFFERING AND SACRIFICE MEANS THE SAME THING ,OR ARE YOU WILLING TO BRING ALL THE OLD TESTAMENT TO PROVE IT (THE LAW)

Was Isaac Sacrificed? “Yes” or “No“?

EDJ

what is scriptures saying Issac lived longer than his Father Abraham ,right yes so he did not die as an offering,right yes

but the faith of his father was without doubts a strong one ,and he was declared a righteous man

July 22, 2013 at 7:44 pm#351325

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He already states Jehovah gave him a command.

He was also killed with those that worshiped the Baal of Peor.

That is his error and its wages were death.

i REALLY DO suggest that you read the entire story of the events with balaam and Balak , in the bible you have no clue who is who and what .never mind why .

I have read it and already pointed out Balaam treats Jehovah as God. He just had at least two Gods.

Numbers 22:8
King James Version (KJV)

8 And he said unto them, Lodge here this night, and I will bring you word again, as the Lord(Jehovah)? shall speak unto me: and the princes of Moab abode with Balaam.

what is Balaam do for a living

He seemed to have been a priest and a prophet, who chose to serve at least both Jehovah and the Baal of Peor.

so balaam his one of his people I mean from balak and he was a type of medium , and it is God that uses him but not him worshiping the God of his enemy or enemy of his king balak

Balaam consulted Jehovah on what to say though he was enticed to do evil. Even then he did right and blessed Israel.

He did right

Each time he says a curse God turns it into a blessing,

And last he proposed to corrup the Israelites

He was instructed by a man to curse Israel but his answer was.

Numbers 23:26
King James Version (KJV)

26 But Balaam answered and said unto Balak, Told not I thee, saying, All that the Lord(Jehovah) speaketh, that I must do?

he was force to ,he did not do willingly

July 22, 2013 at 8:28 pm#351331

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He was unsteady servant who God warned many times before demanding his life.

July 22, 2013 at 10:20 pm#351336

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Is Jehovah the MOST HIGH “creator and ruler of the universe” – as if there are other creators and rulers of the universe?

huh?

Ed,

In the post following the one I'm addressing, you said: Hi Mike,

“GOD” most certainly DOES MEAN “Creator and ruler of the universe”.

So if “GOD” really means “Creator and ruler of the universe”, then the phrase “Most High GOD” means “Most High Creator and ruler of the universe”, right?

Are you with me so far?

So the dilemma is that Jehovah couldn't be the MOST HIGH creator and ruler of the universe unless there also existed LESS HIGH creators and rulers of the universe.

Now do you understand?

July 22, 2013 at 10:22 pm#351337

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There is no use of “elohim” or “theos” in any scripture that automatically implies “creator of the universe”.

Hi Mike,

Trying to back-translate is where the problem comes in.

That is not only not an answer, but it doesn't even make sense. Give me an example of how I'm “back-translating”.

As for the actual statement I made, why not just show me any scripture where the word “elohim” AUTOMATICALLY IMPLIES “creator of the universe”.

July 22, 2013 at 10:59 pm#351338

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Why would a being who has “special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature” be considered a “false god”?

The Bible call them 'idols':
“For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.” (Psalms 96:5)

The word “idol” is not in Psalm 96:5. The Hebrew word used – “elilim” – means “worthless”, not “idol”. (Job 13:4, Zechariah 11:17)

Besides, we are talking about BEINGS who are called gods, Ed…… as can easily be seen from the words of my question. We are NOT talking about man-made idols. For example, Satan is NOT a man-made idol, is he?

So let's just forget about Molech/Milcom for a minute, and deal only with Satan.

Webster says a god is Any of various beings conceived of as supernatural, immortal, and having special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature.

Does that definition apply to Satan?

1. Jehovah calls him “the god of Ekron”.

2. Paul calls him “the god of this age”.

3. In Job 1, Satan calls down fire from heaven, controls mighty winds, and controls both Sabeans and Chaldeans.

Ed, when Jehovah and Paul call him “god”, do you think they mean “creator and ruler of the universe”? Because if that is what “god” means, then that is what they called Satan, right?

Also, tell me what part of controlling people and nature makes him a “FALSE god”? And more importantly, show me in SCRIPTURE where he is ever called a “FALSE god”.

If you cannot, then you are just making things up…….. which unfortunately is par for the course with you.

July 22, 2013 at 11:37 pm#351342

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GOD said instead to “OFFER” his son as a burnt offering (see Gen.22:2-18),

Genesis 22:13 NIV
Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram caught by its horns. He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son.

AKJV
13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.

Exodus 32:6 NIV
6 So the next day the people rose early and sacrificed burnt offerings and presented fellowship offerings.

AKJV
6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings;

Ed, the word (in the Hifel stem of the Hebrew language) means “to take up”, “set up”, “offer a sacrifice”.

I'd say that “to offer up a sacrifice” means basically the same as “sacrifice”. I mean, look at Exodus 32:6 above. Does it really make a difference that the KJV says “offered burnt offerings” while the NIV says “sacrificed burnt offerings”?

The fact that Abraham was sent to OFFER UP his son as a sacrifice means that Abraham was sent to sacrifice his son.

I don't really see any “perversion” in the NIV translation.

July 22, 2013 at 11:39 pm#351343

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He was unsteady servant who God warned many times before demanding his life.

do you think that without Balak scares from the Israelite s you would have ever heard of Balaam ?

July 22, 2013 at 11:51 pm#351345

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He was unsteady servant who God warned many times before demanding his life.

do you think that without Balak scares from the Israelite s you would have ever heard of Balaam ?

I don't know. I do know he now serves as an example how not to serve God.

July 23, 2013 at 12:49 am#351356

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He was unsteady servant who God warned many times before demanding his life.

do you think that without Balak scares from the Israelite s you would have ever heard of Balaam ?

I don't know. I do know he now serves as an example how not to serve God.

July 23, 2013 at 7:00 am#351375

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(NIV Perversion) Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering

a true man of truth ,if you where one you would show the KJV side by side with the NIV and show the difference and how it is so in error ,but you did not do that

Hi Pierre,

“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Abstain from all appearance of evil.” (1Thess5:21-22)
(the NIV is the appearance of 'EVIL'!)

GOD said instead to “OFFER” his son as a burnt offering (see Gen.22:2-18),
WHICH ABRAHAM FAITHFULLY DID, did he not? (<– please answer)

(Gen 22:2) “OFFER HIM there for a burnt offering” (AKJV Bible)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

Show the NIV with the KJV and see it

NIV in red
AKJV Bible in blue

I do not see any difference ,OFFERING AND SACRIFICE MEANS THE SAME THING ,OR ARE YOU WILLING TO BRING ALL THE OLD TESTAMENT TO PROVE IT (THE LAW)

Was Isaac Sacrificed? “Yes” or “No“?

EDJ

what is scriptures saying Issac lived longer than his Father Abraham ,right yes so he did not die as an offering,right yes

but the faith of his father was without doubts a strong one ,and he was declared a righteous man

Hi Pierre,

Since YOUR answer is “No” – therefore the N.I.V. is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 23, 2013 at 7:08 am#351376

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There is no use of “elohim” or “theos” in any scripture that automatically implies “creator of the universe”.

Hi Mike,

Trying to back-translate is where the problem comes in.

That is not only not an answer, but it doesn't even make sense. Give me an example of how I'm “back-translating”.

As for the actual statement I made, why not just show me any scripture where the word “elohim” AUTOMATICALLY IMPLIES “creator of the universe”.

Hi Mike,

You are trying to apply the English definition of “God” to the Hebrew word “EL-o-heem”.
The words come from different languages and therefore have different meanings.
The Hebrew says “EL-o-heem of “EL-o-heem” – not the English God of gods.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 23, 2013 at 7:13 am#351377

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 23 2013,09:59)

1. Jehovah calls him “the god of Ekron”.

2. Paul calls him “the god of this age”.

(A)Ed, when Jehovah and Paul call him “god”, do you think they mean “creator and ruler of the universe”?

Hi Mike, here are the facts…

1) The Hebrew word “EL-o-heem” is used there, not the English word 'god'.

2) The Greek word “Theos” is used there, not the English word 'god'.

A) That is an example of you trying to back-translate.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 23, 2013 at 7:25 am#351378

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 23 2013,10:37)

I don't really see any “perversion” in the NIV translation.

Hi Mike,

“Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.” (Mt.13:43)
Atheists don't really see any “GOD” either.

All I can do is show you the truth,
I can't make you perceive it.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 23, 2013 at 7:48 am#351381

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 23 2013,10:37)

Quote (Ed J @ July 21 2013,22:36)

GOD said instead to “OFFER” his son as a burnt offering (see Gen.22:2-18),

Genesis 22:13 NIV
Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram caught by its horns. He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son.

Exodus 32:6 NIV
6 So the next day the people rose early and sacrificed burnt offerings and presented fellowship offerings.

AKJV
6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings;

Ed, the word (in the Hifel stem of the Hebrew language) means “to take up”, “set up”, “offer a sacrifice”.

The fact that Abraham was sent to OFFER UP his son as a sacrifice means that Abraham was sent to sacrifice his son.

I don't really see any “perversion” in the NIV translation.

Hi Mike,

That doesn't make 'THE ERROR' in the N.I.V. go away; did you somehow think that it does?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 23, 2013 at 2:31 pm#351398

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(NIV Perversion) Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering

a true man of truth ,if you where one you would show the KJV side by side with the NIV and show the difference and how it is so in error ,but you did not do that

Hi Pierre,

“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Abstain from all appearance of evil.” (1Thess5:21-22)
(the NIV is the appearance of 'EVIL'!)

GOD said instead to “OFFER” his son as a burnt offering (see Gen.22:2-18),
WHICH ABRAHAM FAITHFULLY DID, did he not? (<– please answer)

(Gen 22:2) “OFFER HIM there for a burnt offering” (AKJV Bible)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

Show the NIV with the KJV and see it

NIV in red
AKJV Bible in blue

I do not see any difference ,OFFERING AND SACRIFICE MEANS THE SAME THING ,OR ARE YOU WILLING TO BRING ALL THE OLD TESTAMENT TO PROVE IT (THE LAW)

Was Isaac Sacrificed? “Yes” or “No“?

EDJ

what is scriptures saying Issac lived longer than his Father Abraham ,right yes so he did not die as an offering,right yes

but the faith of his father was without doubts a strong one ,and he was declared a righteous man

Hi Pierre,

Since YOUR answer is “No” – therefore the N.I.V. is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

OK ,BIG MAN,HOW DO YOU COME TO THAT CONCLUSION

AM I WRONG IN THAT ISSAC LIVED AND DID NOT DIE AT THAT TIME AND PLACE ,???

OR ARE YOU GOING TO COME FORWARD WITH AN SPIRITUAL MEANING ,OR ONE OF YOUR OWN

SO LET SEE WHAT YOU GOT MORE IN YOUR “KJV”

July 23, 2013 at 3:47 pm#351404

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Hi Pierre,

God did not tell Abraham to 'sacrifice his son', the N.I.V. got it WRONG!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 23, 2013 at 7:37 pm#351410