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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2013,09:54)

Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,16:01)

Maybe Peter was not referring to the timing of events – “I DON'T KNOW!”

And if he was, then the phrase “ALL THINGS” would be an exaggerated statement, wouldn't it?

It is similar in 1 John 2:20, where believers are said to “know ALL THINGS”.

I only want you to understand that there exist many exaggerated statements in the scriptures.

Hi Mike,

It is not my place to judge what Peter meant.

The bible says all have fallen short of the glory of God,
do you include Jesus as part of “all” in that verse? …I do not.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 15, 2013 at 11:47 pm#350850

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2013,10:03)

Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,16:03)

Hi Mike,

I don't believe it is exaggerated one bit, because there are no other gods.

You mean there are no other ELOHIM, right?

No, I mean there are no other gods.

EL-o-heem” is used for any of the following:

1. GOD
2. Angels
3. Leaders
4. Magistrates

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 15, 2013 at 11:52 pm#350851

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2013,10:12)

Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,16:17)

Hi Mike,

YHVH is over Me and you, but “I” would not call us gods.

I didn't ask for a list of who WASN'T a less high god, Ed. I asked for a list of who WAS one of the less high gods that Jehovah is higher than.

Hi Mike,

Jesus said that applies to us (ref. John 10:34). I do not consider us as gods though.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 15, 2013 at 11:56 pm#350852

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2013,10:16)

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2013,03:22)

1. Was Jehovah every one of the saviors He SENT, Ed? YES or NO?

2. Was our savior Jesus Christ REALLY Jehovah Himself? YES or NO?

Hi Mike,

1) YHVH is “The Savior”, because he used men does not change that.

2) Jesus name means “YA is Salvation” – “YA” is “the Savior”.

Are you unable to answer those simple YES or NO questions with a YES or a NO?

Agendas often prohibit people from answering simple questions with direct and honest answers.

Leave your agendas at the door, Ed. And then see if you're capable of answering those very SIMPLE questions with a direct and honest YES or NO.

Hi Mike,

Your yes/no questions contain 'spin'.
Agendas often prohibit people from understanding answers to not so simple questions.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 15, 2013 at 11:59 pm#350853

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2013,10:21)

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1. Ed, does the word “and” appear in that teaching? In other words, did Moses say they sacrificed to BOTH demons AND TO false gods? YES or NO?

2. Does the word “false” appear anywhere in that teaching? In other words, where are you reading the phrase “FALSE gods”? Because it surely isn't in the Hebrew words Moses wrote, is it? YES or NO?

Hi Mike,

1) History shows that they did both.
2) An 'IDOL' is a false god, do you believe 'idols' are real Gods?

You're still having problems, huh? Here – let me help you some more………….

1. NO Mike, the word “and” is NOT in that verse, but I must ADD it so my agenda is realized.

2. NO Mike, the phrase “false god” is not in that scripture – nor in ANY scripture in the ENTIRE BIBLE. But I have to ADD the word “false” into many scriptures, so my agenda can be realized.

See Ed? That's how questions are answered DIRECTLY and HONESTLY.

Now you give it a try, okay?

Hi Mike,

1) Was Molech a fallen angel or a false god?
2) 'Idols' are indeed false gods, even if you disagree.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 16, 2013 at 12:02 am#350854

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2013,10:24)

Eddy,

I'm done now. Your own words have put the final nail in the coffin of your agenda. Your own words said that angels are indeed real elohim. And your own words INSIST that Jehovah was making an exaggerated statement in Isaiah 45:21, and a few other scriptures.

Of course you'll never admit such a thing, but I don't really care. I have SHOWN it to you, so my job here is done.

Peace and Love to you, my friend………

Hi Mike,

I still love you brother!
Are we still on for tea and crumpets?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 16, 2013 at 12:20 am#350855

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Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,17:44)

The bible says all have fallen short of the glory of God,
do you include Jesus as part of “all” in that verse? …I do not.

Good one. Yet ANOTHER example of an exaggerated statement in the scriptures!

July 16, 2013 at 12:23 am#350856

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Hi Mike,

I don't believe it is exaggerated one bit, because there are no other gods.

You mean there are no other ELOHIM, right?

No, I mean there are no other gods.

Did Jehovah say there were no other GODS, or no other ELOHIM?

Which one Ed?

July 16, 2013 at 12:26 am#350858

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Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,17:52)

Hi Mike,

Jesus said that applies to us (ref. John 10:34).

Jesus referenced Psalm 82, which speaks of the other elohim in the heavenly assembly – the ones Jehovah rules over and passes judgment upon.

You are correct though, that these represent some of the less high gods that Jehovah is the God of. Well done, Ed!

July 16, 2013 at 12:31 am#350859

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1. Was Jehovah every one of the saviors He SENT, Ed? YES or NO?

2. Was our savior Jesus Christ REALLY Jehovah Himself? YES or NO?

Hi Mike,

1) YHVH is “The Savior”, because he used men does not change that.

2) Jesus name means “YA is Salvation” – “YA” is “the Savior”.

Are you unable to answer those simple YES or NO questions with a YES or a NO?

Agendas often prohibit people from answering simple questions with direct and honest answers.

Leave your agendas at the door, Ed. And then see if you're capable of answering those very SIMPLE questions with a direct and honest YES or NO.

Hi Mike,

Your yes/no questions contain 'spin'.
Agendas often prohibit people from understanding answers to not so simple questions.

There is no “spin”, Ed. Just simple honest questions that deserve simple honest answers. Here – I'll let you sneak a peak at my paper, on which I've written the direct and honest answers that you are having a hard time coming up with……………

1. No Mike, Jehovah was not actually any of the saviors He SENT. Therefore, there have been MANY saviors, even though Jehovah exaggeratedly states that He is the ONLY one.

2. No Mike. Jesus Christ was NOT Jehovah – but instead a DIFFERENT savior that Jehovah SENT…………… proving once again that Jehovah was making an exaggerated statement for emphasis in Isaiah 45.

There you go, friend. I'll let you cheat off of my homework this one time, okay?

July 16, 2013 at 12:35 am#350860

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1) Was Molech a fallen angel or a false god?
2) 'Idols' are indeed false gods, even if you disagree.

1. I believe Molech was a demon………. a living breathing entity.

2. Moot, because the word “idol” is not mentioned in Deuteronomy 32:17. Instead, Moses wrote about demons – and called those very demons “gods they knew not”.

July 16, 2013 at 12:37 am#350862

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Are we still on for tea and crumpets?

What are you – a Brit?

How about a burger, fries, apple pie, and a Pepsi?

July 16, 2013 at 1:15 am#350867

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2013,11:23)

Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,17:47)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2013,10:03)

Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,16:03)

Hi Mike,

I don't believe it is exaggerated one bit, because there are no other gods.

You mean there are no other ELOHIM, right?

No, I mean there are no other gods.

Did Jehovah say there were no other GODS, or no other ELOHIM?

Which one Ed?

Hi Mike,

It was written in the Hebrew tongue, not English, so it was written as “EL-o-heem”.

AND when translated forward it means “No other gods”.
Trying to back translate presents all kinds of problems.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 16, 2013 at 1:21 am#350868

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2013,11:31)

1. No Mike, Jehovah was not actually any of the saviors He SENT. Therefore, there have been MANY saviors, even though Jehovah exaggeratedly states that He is the ONLY one.

There you go, friend. I'll let you cheat off of my homework this one time, okay?

Hi Mike,

1) I'd say JEHOVAH deserves to take credit for those he sends.
2) YHVH has wrought our salvation through Jesus Christ our Lord.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 16, 2013 at 1:26 am#350869

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2013,11:35)

Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,17:59)

1) Was Molech a fallen angel or a false god?
2) 'Idols' are indeed false gods, even if you disagree.

1. I believe Molech was a demon………. a living breathing entity.

2. Moot, because the word “idol” is not mentioned in Deuteronomy 32:17. Instead, Moses wrote about demons – and called those very demons “gods they knew not”.

Hi Mike,

1) I too believe the false god 'Molech' was really a fallen Angel. So I kinda think we agree here.
2) 'Idols' are false gods – and since they have not always existed, they can also be called 'new gods'.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 16, 2013 at 1:29 am#350870

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2013,11:37)

Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,18:02)

Are we still on for tea and crumpets?

What are you – a Brit?

How about a burger, fries, apple pie, and a Pepsi?

Hi Mike,

Not a Brit.

OK, but I'll have to skip the Pepsi,
I eliminated “high fructose corn syrup” out of my diet.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 16, 2013 at 3:05 am#350876

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2013,06:37)

Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,18:02)

Are we still on for tea and crumpets?

What are you – a Brit?

How about a burger, fries, apple pie, and a Pepsi?

Mike,

Root beer, Pepsi can dissolve bolts.

July 16, 2013 at 3:08 am#350877

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2013,04:44)

Quote (kerwin @ July 14 2013,21:50)

…you can say they had a different God……

Woo Hoo! It seems like we are finally understanding each other………. almost.

I say that every living thing HAS the exact same God and Creator – Heavenly Father Jehovah.

But many people don't WORSHIP the Heavenly Father Jehovah AS their God.

Mike,

I used “had” to mean the one they worshiped as the Elohim not the one that is the Elohim.

July 16, 2013 at 3:12 am#350878

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Quote (terraricca @ July 16 2013,00:22)

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Quote (terraricca @ July 13 2013,21:28)

Kerwin

true actions according to God's law ARE NOT TRADITIONS

NOW;SINS YOU ARE SO INCLINE TO MAKE A CASE ABOUT THE “EL” OF ABRAHAM AND THE KING OF SODOM SO LET SEE ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES ;

WHICH OF THE TWO HAS GIVEN THE TITHE TO THE HIGH PRIEST OF THE TRUE “EL” THAT CAME TO BOTH OF THEM
1)WAS IT ABRAHAM
2)WAS IT THE KING OF SODOM
3) WAS IT BOTH OF THEM

SO WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER

UNDERSTAND THAT ONLY THE ONE THAT SERVES THE TRUE “EL” WILL PAY THE TITHE NOT THE OTHER THAT AS ANOTHER “EL” TO WHICH HE MAKE OFFERINGS

I answered this and you accused me of twisting your words.

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As far as I know neither Abraham or the King of Sodom are called a priest of El.

why did you not answer my question ,instead of tell things i never said

so answer the question ,and do not tell lies

My answer is none of them as far as I know as I know of no Scripture which either of them were a priest of El.

July 16, 2013 at 3:16 am#350879