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Quote (kerwin @ July 15 2013,09:40) T, As far as I know neither Abraham or the King of Sodom are called a priest of El.
Kyou should read my quotes ,and not twist them ,what is it that make you say things I did not even quote or mention ,???
if it is not the truth then what is it
lies ?Quote (terraricca @ July 13 2013,21:28)
Kerwintrue actions according to God's law ARE NOT TRADITIONS
NOW;SINS YOU ARE SO INCLINE TO MAKE A CASE ABOUT THE “EL” OF ABRAHAM AND THE KING OF SODOM SO LET SEE ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES ;
WHICH OF THE TWO HAS GIVEN THE TITHE TO THE HIGH PRIEST OF THE TRUE “EL” THAT CAME TO BOTH OF THEM
1)WAS IT ABRAHAM
2)WAS IT THE KING OF SODOM
3) WAS IT BOTH OF THEMSO WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER
UNDERSTAND THAT ONLY THE ONE THAT SERVES THE TRUE “EL” WILL PAY THE TITHE NOT THE OTHER THAT AS ANOTHER “EL” TO WHICH HE MAKE OFFERINGS
T,I answered this and you accused me of twisting your words.
Quote (terraricca @ July 15 2013,19:51) Quote (kerwin @ July 15 2013,09:38) T, Quote true actions according to God's law ARE NOT TRADITIONS That is not written
kdid Israel ad to follow the law of God or their own tradition
T,Many followed the traditions of men.
A remnant followed the traditions of God.
The tradition of men that many followed was a mixture of true and false. The true comes from God while the false comes from man. Follow that which is true, not that which is false.Quote (kerwin @ July 15 2013,23:27) Quote (terraricca @ July 13 2013,21:28)
Kerwintrue actions according to God's law ARE NOT TRADITIONS
NOW;SINS YOU ARE SO INCLINE TO MAKE A CASE ABOUT THE “EL” OF ABRAHAM AND THE KING OF SODOM SO LET SEE ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES ;
WHICH OF THE TWO HAS GIVEN THE TITHE TO THE HIGH PRIEST OF THE TRUE “EL” THAT CAME TO BOTH OF THEM
1)WAS IT ABRAHAM
2)WAS IT THE KING OF SODOM
3) WAS IT BOTH OF THEMSO WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER
UNDERSTAND THAT ONLY THE ONE THAT SERVES THE TRUE “EL” WILL PAY THE TITHE NOT THE OTHER THAT AS ANOTHER “EL” TO WHICH HE MAKE OFFERINGS
T,I answered this and you accused me of twisting your words.
KQuote As far as I know neither Abraham or the King of Sodom are called a priest of El. why did you not answer my question ,instead of tell things i never said
so answer the question ,and do not tell lies
Quote (kerwin @ July 15 2013,23:33) Quote (terraricca @ July 15 2013,19:51) Quote (kerwin @ July 15 2013,09:38) T, Quote true actions according to God's law ARE NOT TRADITIONS That is not written
kdid Israel ad to follow the law of God or their own tradition
T,Many followed the traditions of men.
A remnant followed the traditions of God.
The tradition of men that many followed was a mixture of true and false. The true comes from God while the false comes from man. Follow that which is true, not that which is false.
Ksee what you are saying
good and bad is mixed but this would make all things bad .God's law and wisdom of knowledge can not be mixed ,that is the search of the righteous so that he can become holy as God is holy ,(pure in truth)
so tradition mixed or not it still bad and of men ,look all the churches they all have good from the bible but they also have bad things some are worse than others ,Catholics in the front line
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2013,03:00) Quote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,00:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 14 2013,02:48) Quote (Ed J @ July 11 2013,20:42) Apparently Peter says he does “know all things”.
And DID he truly and LITERALLY know ALL things, Ed? YES or NO?
Hi Mike,This question is irrelevant to what we are talking about.
And furthermore it calls for speculation on my part.
Matthew 24:36
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.The question is NOT irrelevant, as it concerns EXACTLY what we are discussing. Nor does the question call for speculation, for the answer is as clear as day in the scripture I quoted above.
So I ask again: Did Jesus LITERALLY know ALL things, Ed? YES or NO?
Hi Mike,That is recorded as happening 54 days after the crucifixion.
Jesus said he did not know the exact time. Perhaps that is
why he said: (but as I said this calls for speculation on my part)“When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord,
wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them,
It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
But ye shall receive power, after that the HolySpirit is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea,
and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.” (Acts 1:6-8 )It is speculation to say what Jesus did and did not know.
Maybe Peter was not referring to the timing of events – “I DON'T KNOW!”God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2013,03:08) Quote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,00:08) Because “there is no God beside me”(Isaiah 45:5) is “an emphatic statement”.
Is the statement you quoted an EXAGGERATED statement, Ed?
Hi Mike,I don't believe it is exaggerated one bit, because there are no other gods.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2013,03:08) And here are the facts once again: 1. You and I agree that angels ARE indeed REAL elohim.
2. Jehovah said “there is no ELOHIM besides me”.
3. Angels DID exist WHEN Jehovah uttered this statement.
So, was Jehovah using an exaggerated statement to EMPHASIZE that there exist no elohim WHO ARE LIKE HIM? Or was He speaking LITERALLY, and therefore LYING due to the fact that angels ARE real elohim and angels DID exist when He said those words?
(4)Which one do you think?
Hi Mike,1) The definition of “EL-o-heem” in Hebrew is used for Angels correct.
Your use of the word 'real' is irrelevant to our discussion.2) “there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.” (Isaiah 45:21) is correctly translated into English.
3) Angels are not gods Mike.
4) Neither, it is you trying to back-translate is where the problem comes in.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,04:03) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2013,03:08) Quote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,00:08) Because “there is no God beside me”(Isaiah 45:5) is “an emphatic statement”.
Is the statement you quoted an EXAGGERATED statement, Ed?
Hi Mike,I don't believe it is exaggerated one bit, because there are no other gods.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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edjI don't believe it is exaggerated one bit, because there are no other gods LIKE JEHOVAH GOD ,FATHER OF CHRIST AND GOD OF ABRAHAM,ISSAC,AND JACOB,AND CHRIST THE ONLY SON OF GOD ,
HUMM,DID THE SCRIPTURES NOT SAY THAT WE ALL ARE GODS AND SONS OF GOD
HUMM.Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2013,03:22) Quote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,00:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 14 2013,02:48) 1. Is your AKJV wrong each time they write “most high God”? YES or NO?
1) No…………
Okay then.1. If the AKJV is CORRECT in translating “most high God”, please identify for me one of the “less high gods” that Jehovah is higher than.
Hi Mike,YHVH is over Me and you, but “I” would not call us gods.
You having power to delete my posts does NOT make you a god.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2013,03:22) Quote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,00:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 14 2013,02:48)
3. Did Jehovah say there were NO saviors besides Him, when you and I both know that He has SENT many other saviors? YES or NO?
3) Since JEHOVAH sent them – JEHOVAH is “The Savior”
So your answer is “YES, Jehovah has SENT OTHER saviors.” ? Great.1. Was Jehovah every one of the saviors He SENT, Ed? YES or NO?
2. Was our savior Jesus Christ REALLY Jehovah Himself? YES or NO?
Hi Mike,1) YHVH is “The Savior”, because he used men does not change that.
What if a predator drone chases away islamic terrorists, who is their savior?2) Jesus name means “YA is Salvation” – “YA” is “the Savior”.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2013,03:22) Quote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,00:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 14 2013,02:48)
5. Are you beginning to understand that “they sacrificed to demons…….. to gods their fathers didn't know” refers to demons who are also called gods? YES or NO?
5) They also sacrificed to false gods, besides devils.
So your answer is “NO, I'm NOT YET understanding this very simple statement.” ? Okay, I can help you out.1. Ed, does the word “and” appear in that teaching? In other words, did Moses say they sacrificed to BOTH demons AND TO false gods? YES or NO?
2. Does the word “false” appear anywhere in that teaching? In other words, where are you reading the phrase “FALSE gods”? Because it surely isn't in the Hebrew words Moses wrote, is it? YES or NO?
Hi Mike,1) History shows that they did both.
2) An 'IDOL' is a false god, do you believe 'idols' are real Gods?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ July 14 2013,21:50) …you can say they had a different God……
Woo Hoo! It seems like we are finally understanding each other………. almost.I say that every living thing HAS the exact same God and Creator – Heavenly Father Jehovah.
But many people don't WORSHIP the Heavenly Father Jehovah AS their God.
Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,16:01) Maybe Peter was not referring to the timing of events – “I DON'T KNOW!”
And if he was, then the phrase “ALL THINGS” would be an exaggerated statement, wouldn't it?It is similar in 1 John 2:20, where believers are said to “know ALL THINGS”.
I only want you to understand that there exist many exaggerated statements in the scriptures.
Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,16:03) Hi Mike, I don't believe it is exaggerated one bit, because there are no other gods.
You mean there are no other ELOHIM, right? Because ELOHIM is the Hebrew word Jehovah said in Isaiah 45:5, right?But wait, that doesn't match your own words that said angels are “real elohim”, does it? Hmmmm…………….. Somebody's confused here. It seems they're speaking out of both sides of their mouth.
And we all know that personal agendas that go against scriptures are the only thing that makes people around here speak out of both sides of their mouth, right?
Ed, check your personal agendas at the door, and start believing what the scriptures actually teach for once, okay?
Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,16:11) 2) “there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.” (Isaiah 45:21) is correctly translated into English.
There was no such thing as “England”, or the “English language” when Jehovah spoke those words, Ed.There was such a thing as the Hebrew word “elohim” though. And Jehovah said there was no ELOHIM besides Him – even though we know angels are elohim, and they existed when Jehovah said those words.
We also know that at the time Jehovah said those words in Isaiah, He had already SENT many saviors to help Israel. Yet He said He is the ONLY savior, didn't He? Hmmmm…………..
Eddy, I'm about done playing around on this now. I already knew going into it that you would just keep denying and denying. But now we've actually gone through enough scriptures for you to KNOW that you're denying.
Of course you'll never admit such a thing, but we both KNOW it, don't we? You are correct that angels are indeed real elohim – just like you said. And that makes the statement, there are no elohim besides me an exaggerated statement, and not a literal one. End of story.
Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,16:17) Hi Mike, YHVH is over Me and you, but “I” would not call us gods.
I didn't ask for a list of who WASN'T a less high god, Ed. I asked for a list of who WAS one of the less high gods that Jehovah is higher than.Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,16:22) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2013,03:22)
1. Was Jehovah every one of the saviors He SENT, Ed? YES or NO?2. Was our savior Jesus Christ REALLY Jehovah Himself? YES or NO?
Hi Mike,1) YHVH is “The Savior”, because he used men does not change that.
2) Jesus name means “YA is Salvation” – “YA” is “the Savior”.
Are you unable to answer those simple YES or NO questions with a YES or a NO?Agendas often prohibit people from answering simple questions with direct and honest answers.
Leave your agendas at the door, Ed. And then see if you're capable of answering those very SIMPLE questions with a direct and honest YES or NO.
Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,16:26) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2013,03:22)
1. Ed, does the word “and” appear in that teaching? In other words, did Moses say they sacrificed to BOTH demons AND TO false gods? YES or NO?2. Does the word “false” appear anywhere in that teaching? In other words, where are you reading the phrase “FALSE gods”? Because it surely isn't in the Hebrew words Moses wrote, is it? YES or NO?
Hi Mike,1) History shows that they did both.
2) An 'IDOL' is a false god, do you believe 'idols' are real Gods?
You're still having problems, huh? Here – let me help you some more………….1. NO Mike, the word “and” is NOT in that verse, but I must ADD it so my agenda is realized.
2. NO Mike, the phrase “false god” is not in that scripture – nor in ANY scripture in the ENTIRE BIBLE. But I have to ADD the word “false” into many scriptures, so my agenda can be realized.
See Ed? That's how questions are answered DIRECTLY and HONESTLY.
Now you give it a try, okay?
Eddy,
I'm done now. Your own words have put the final nail in the coffin of your agenda. Your own words said that angels are indeed real elohim. And your own words INSIST that Jehovah was making an exaggerated statement in Isaiah 45:21, and a few other scriptures.
Of course you'll never admit such a thing, but I don't really care. I have SHOWN it to you, so my job here is done.
Peace and Love to you, my friend………
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