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Quote (kerwin @ July 13 2013,21:08) Quote (terraricca @ July 13 2013,07:50) Quote (kerwin @ July 13 2013,05:36) Quote (terraricca @ July 13 2013,04:39) Quote (kerwin @ July 13 2013,02:57) Mike, So you have no evidence the relationship the El of the Canaanites to the El of Abraham was not like the relationship of the God of the Trinitarians to the God of the Jehovah witnesses and yet you choose to deny that relationship anyways.
Kprove your point by showing scriptures ;and you will see that you have no claim
T,I already have and the only opposition I see is disbelief based on tradition and not Scripture.
kYOU DID NOT SHOW ANY SCRIPTURES ,i did not see them ;and as for Jewish tradition this is what Paul as been fighting against most of his ministry ,all tradition are man made not of God and so cannot be trusted
even Jesus rejected there traditions,
and your EL = god or mighty or might it does not make any difference because it does not differentiate the good from the bad
T,You see what you want to see but you have no evidence that El Abraham to to the King of Sodom is not the same El that the Canaanites believed in though many of them were heretics.
Paul, nor Jesus, did not fight against the true Jewish tradition but against false teachings that even the Jews of this day do not agree with.
Kerwintrue actions according to God's law ARE NOT TRADITIONS
NOW;SINS YOU ARE SO INCLINE TO MAKE A CASE ABOUT THE “EL” OF ABRAHAM AND THE KING OF SODOM SO LET SEE ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES ;
WHICH OF THE TWO HAS GIVEN THE TITHE TO THE HIGH PRIEST OF THE TRUE “EL” THAT CAME TO BOTH OF THEM
1)WAS IT ABRAHAM
2)WAS IT THE KING OF SODOM
3) WAS IT BOTH OF THEMSO WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER
UNDERSTAND THAT ONLY THE ONE THAT SERVES THE TRUE “EL” WILL PAY THE TITHE NOT THE OTHER THAT AS ANOTHER “EL” TO WHICH HE MAKE OFFERINGS
Quote (Ed J @ July 11 2013,20:42) Apparently Peter says he does “know all things”.
And DID he truly and LITERALLY know ALL things, Ed? YES or NO?Quote (Ed J @ July 11 2013,20:42) Are you saying an “emphatic statement” is an 'untrue statement'?
Perhaps I should be saying “exaggerated statement” instead of “emphatic statement”.Here is an example from a website:
An exaggerated statement is used to heighten affect. It is not used to mislead the reader,but to emphasize a point.
Example:
She's said so on several million occasions.I'm using the idea that the goal is to EMPHASIZE a particular idea, and so am calling it an EMPHATIC statement. Perhaps I've been saying it wrong all this time.
Another example would be: You know all things.
And Pierre also listed a good scriptural one: Every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
Here is another scriptural example: Everyone has turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one. (Ps 53:3)
The bolded words are all “emphatic”, or “exaggerated” statements, Ed.
Quote (Ed J @ July 11 2013,20:42) And which question are you saying I have not answered?
1. Is your AKJV wrong each time they write “most high God”? YES or NO?2. Did Jehovah say there were NO elohim besides Him when you and I both know that there WERE? YES or NO?
3. Did Jehovah say there were NO saviors besides Him, when you and I both know that He has SENT many other saviors? YES or NO?
4. You sensibly concluded that the ones who turned water into blood in Egypt were “demonic forces”. Do you agree that these same demons are called “the gods of Egypt” by Moses and Jehovah – among others? YES or NO?
5. Are you beginning to understand that “they sacrificed to demons…….. to gods their fathers didn't know” refers to demons who are also called gods? YES or NO?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 14 2013,02:48) Quote (Ed J @ July 11 2013,20:42) Apparently Peter says he does “know all things”.
And DID he truly and LITERALLY know ALL things, Ed? YES or NO?
Hi Mike,This question is irrelevant to what we are talking about.
And furthermore it calls for speculation on my part.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 14 2013,02:48) Quote (Ed J @ July 11 2013,20:42) Are you saying an “emphatic statement” is an 'untrue statement'?
Perhaps I should be saying “exaggerated statement” instead of “emphatic statement”.
Hi Mike,emphatic (Adjective): Showing or giving emphasis; expressing something forcibly and clearly.
I'm glad that you are now beginning to realize (by back-peddling) that “an emphatic statement” is
different than the meaning you are ascribing to it. What you mean is “an exaggerated statement”.Because “there is no God beside me”(Isaiah 45:5) is “an emphatic statement”.
It is expressed forcibly and clearly expressed – that is to everybody except maybe YOU.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 14 2013,02:48) The bolded words are all “emphatic”, or “exaggerated” statements, Ed.
“An emphatic statement” IS NOT “an exaggerated statement”!(see my last post)
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 14 2013,02:48) 1. Is your AKJV wrong each time they write “most high God”? YES or NO? 2. Did Jehovah say there were NO elohim besides Him when you and I both know that there WERE? YES or NO?
3. Did Jehovah say there were NO saviors besides Him, when you and I both know that He has SENT many other saviors? YES or NO?
4. You sensibly concluded that the ones who turned water into blood in Egypt were “demonic forces”. Do you agree that these same demons are called “the gods of Egypt” by Moses and Jehovah – among others? YES or NO?
5. Are you beginning to understand that “they sacrificed to demons…….. to gods their fathers didn't know” refers to demons who are also called gods? YES or NO?
Hi Mike,1) No, it your understanding that is lacking. We have been through this MANY times now; you are stuck in JW philosophy.
2) EL-o-heem defines in English as any one of the following: (depending on the context)
1. GOD
2. Angels
3. Leaders
4. Magistrates3) Since JEHOVAH sent them – JEHOVAH is “The Savior”(=117)
4) Yep. There are many that are called gods, but to us(maybe not you though) there is but one God, the Father!
5) They also sacrificed to false gods, besides devils.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,12:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 14 2013,02:48) 1. Is your AKJV wrong each time they write “most high God”? YES or NO? 2. Did Jehovah say there were NO elohim besides Him when you and I both know that there WERE? YES or NO?
3. Did Jehovah say there were NO saviors besides Him, when you and I both know that He has SENT many other saviors? YES or NO?
4. You sensibly concluded that the ones who turned water into blood in Egypt were “demonic forces”. Do you agree that these same demons are called “the gods of Egypt” by Moses and Jehovah – among others? YES or NO?
5. Are you beginning to understand that “they sacrificed to demons…….. to gods their fathers didn't know” refers to demons who are also called gods? YES or NO?
Hi Mike,1) No, it your understanding that is lacking. We have been through this MANY times now; you are stuck in JW philosophy.
2) EL-o-heem defines in English as any one of the following: (depending on the context)
1. GOD
2. Angels
3. Leaders
4. Magistrates3) Since JEHOVAH sent them – JEHOVAH is “The Savior”(=117)
4) Yep. There are many that are called gods, but to us(maybe not you though) there is but one God, the Father!
5) They also sacrificed to false gods, besides devils.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdjAccording to the number 1,2,3,
Jehovah does not exist in the old testament ,because it is. Elohim,and this mean ,mighty one , so is EL but in English we say God so if I understand your thinking ,the word God and the word Elohim,and the word EL and so is the name Jehovah are all meaning the same thing right
If not. Which one is the true word that should be used to translate the theta gram of God name
and if the theta gram in the OT is correct we're is it in the KJV
Hi Pierre,
The English word “GOD” is more specific to mean JEHOVAH than the Hebrew word “EL-o-heem” is.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,14:18) Hi Pierre, The English word “GOD” is more specific to mean JEHOVAH than the Hebrew word “EL-o-heem” is.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjthat was not my questions ,
i do not look for a proximity ,
Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2013,20:05) Quote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,14:18) Hi Pierre, The English word “GOD” is more specific to mean JEHOVAH than the Hebrew word “EL-o-heem” is.
God bless
Ed J
edjthat was not my questions ,
i do not look for a proximity ,
Hi Pierre,I give you the facts to help you in your understanding.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,15:20) Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2013,20:05) Quote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,14:18) Hi Pierre, The English word “GOD” is more specific to mean JEHOVAH than the Hebrew word “EL-o-heem” is.
God bless
Ed J
edjthat was not my questions ,
i do not look for a proximity ,
Hi Pierre,I give you the facts to help you in your understanding.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
you do not answer and now run away from my question ,like usual ,Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2013,20:46) Quote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,15:20) Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2013,20:05) Quote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,14:18) Hi Pierre, The English word “GOD” is more specific to mean JEHOVAH than the Hebrew word “EL-o-heem” is.
God bless
Ed J
edjthat was not my questions ,
i do not look for a proximity ,
Hi Pierre,I give you the facts to help you in your understanding.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
you do not answer and now run away from my question ,like usual ,
You're not asking questions, but questioning facts.So all what I have said is true,???
And so the KJV is not the true version of scriptures right???
And so you have not defend the truth of God but your own personal views,right
Quote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,00:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 14 2013,02:48) Quote (Ed J @ July 11 2013,20:42) Apparently Peter says he does “know all things”.
And DID he truly and LITERALLY know ALL things, Ed? YES or NO?
Hi Mike,This question is irrelevant to what we are talking about.
And furthermore it calls for speculation on my part.
Matthew 24:36
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.The question is NOT irrelevant, as it concerns EXACTLY what we are discussing. Nor does the question call for speculation, for the answer is as clear as day in the scripture I quoted above.
So I ask again: Did Jesus LITERALLY know ALL things, Ed? YES or NO?
Quote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,00:08) Because “there is no God beside me”(Isaiah 45:5) is “an emphatic statement”.
Is the statement you quoted an EXAGGERATED statement, Ed?Here is the definition once again: An exaggerated statement is used to heighten affect. It is not used to mislead the reader, but to emphasize a point.
And here are the facts once again:
1. You and I agree that angels ARE indeed REAL elohim.
2. Jehovah said “there is no ELOHIM besides me”.
3. Angels DID exist WHEN Jehovah uttered this statement.
So, was Jehovah using an exaggerated statement to EMPHASIZE that there exist no elohim WHO ARE LIKE HIM? Or was He speaking LITERALLY, and therefore LYING due to the fact that angels ARE real elohim and angels DID exist when He said those words?
Which one do you think?
Quote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,00:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 14 2013,02:48) 1. Is your AKJV wrong each time they write “most high God”? YES or NO?
1) No…………
Okay then.1. If the AKJV is CORRECT in translating “most high God”, please identify for me one of the “less high gods” that Jehovah is higher than.
Quote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,00:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 14 2013,02:48)
3. Did Jehovah say there were NO saviors besides Him, when you and I both know that He has SENT many other saviors? YES or NO?
3) Since JEHOVAH sent them – JEHOVAH is “The Savior”
So your answer is “YES, Jehovah has SENT OTHER saviors.” ? Great.1. Was Jehovah every one of the saviors He SENT, Ed? YES or NO?
2. Was our savior Jesus Christ REALLY Jehovah Himself? YES or NO?
Quote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,00:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 14 2013,02:48)
5. Are you beginning to understand that “they sacrificed to demons…….. to gods their fathers didn't know” refers to demons who are also called gods? YES or NO?
5) They also sacrificed to false gods, besides devils.
So your answer is “NO, I'm NOT YET understanding this very simple statement.” ? Okay, I can help you out.1. Ed, does the word “and” appear in that teaching? In other words, did Moses say they sacrificed to BOTH demons AND TO false gods? YES or NO?
2. Does the word “false” appear anywhere in that teaching? In other words, where are you reading the phrase “FALSE gods”? Because it surely isn't in the Hebrew words Moses wrote, is it? YES or NO?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 13 2013,21:14) Quote (kerwin @ July 12 2013,14:57) Mike, So you have no evidence the relationship the El of the Canaanites to the El of Abraham was not like the relationship of the God of the Trinitarians to the God of the Jehovah witnesses and yet you choose to deny that relationship anyways.
Therein lies the confusion, Kerwin.You believe that the JWs and the Trinitarians worship the SAME God. But is that really true?
The Trinitarians worship their God Jesus Christ, who created them all.
Did YOUR God Jesus Christ create YOU, Kerwin? YES or NO?
Or do YOU worship a DIFFERENT God who is NOT Jesus Christ?
Mike,I can see the argument that JW's and Trin's worship different God and yet they debate on the nature of the true God. As far as I know the Canaanites were heretics at the time of Abraham and as heretics you can say they had a different God as their teachings about him were different than Abraham's.
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