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[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 10 2013,08:18)

Quote (Ed J @ July 10 2013,13:14) Hi Pierre, Nobody says you have to agree with me. I just give you a more complete understanding of the bible. Isn't that better than what I see others do – which is: wait until someone tells you something different (than what you believe) and then endlessly argue about which opinion is right? You are free to disagree with me, but my view is a more complete view of the bible. I give others more information – that they appear to be leaving out of their view. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Like you said: just like “a box of chocolates”, you need to “bite in” to find out what's on the inside.

edj

I start to know you better ,and soon ,I may know what is in the chocolate before biting in to ,

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2013,07:29)

Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,05:51) Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2013,05:47) SCRIPTURES PLEASE T, Do a search of Melchizedek on the KJV at biblegateway.com K you ask me to search for you claims not a chance , you claim thing event inventing them ,finding arguments on half words or half letters ,and now you send me away to try to support your claims , sorry friend ,I know those sites but I do not use them except for one ,and that's not the one I go to , so your claim is false about  Melchizedek ,right

T,

You asked for a Scripture and I told you how to search for it. The Bereans are called noble for searching Scripture without being instructed how to.

I am not concerned what site you use to search the KJV as long as you search the same edition I obtained the spelling of Melchizedek I used. You can even search other editions and versions that use the same spelling or do anything else that obtains the same results.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2013,06:34)

Quote (kerwin @ July 09 2013,17:35) Mike, Melchizedek king of Salem also worships the most high El……….. And was he a descendant of Canaan?  If not, then what is your point? Kerwin, is there a scripture that says any Canaanite ever worshiped Jehovah as their El?  If so, show it to me.  If not, then just acknowledge as much, okay?

Mike,

Evidence points to him being king in the land of Canaan.

I am not familiar with any Scripture that directly declares that any Canaanite, except Melchizedek, worshiped El. I do know from archaeology that they had no difference with Abraham when he called El the most high as both doctrines agreed on that point.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ July 11 2013,02:13)

Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2013,07:29) Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,05:51) Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2013,05:47) SCRIPTURES PLEASE T, Do a search of Melchizedek on the KJV at biblegateway.com K you ask me to search for you claims not a chance , you claim thing event inventing them ,finding arguments on half words or half letters ,and now you send me away to try to support your claims , sorry friend ,I know those sites but I do not use them except for one ,and that's not the one I go to , so your claim is false about  Melchizedek ,right T, You asked for a Scripture and I told you how to search for it.  The Bereans are called noble for searching Scripture without being instructed how to. I am not concerned what site you use to search the KJV as long as you search the same edition I obtained the spelling of Melchizedek I used.  You can even search other editions and versions that use the same spelling or do anything else that obtains the same results.

K

why can you not quote the scriptures that you search for men's opinions ,

i am very familiar with the scriptures that talk about Melchizedek

this is why I have to ask how you can claim and not show scriptures ,

if you want we can go in details about the man ,

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,14:37)

Mike, Evidence points to him being king in the land of Canaan.

I've seen no evidence that he is a Canaanite king.  Plus, there is explicit evidence that his lineage is unknown – an odd feat if he were a famous descendant of Canaan, don't you think?

Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,14:37)

I am not familiar with any Scripture that directly declares that any Canaanite, except Melchizedek, worshiped El.

So once we remove the “except Melchizedek” from your post (since there is no evidence he was a Canaanite), we have arrived at the truthful answer to the question I've asked you for almost a month now:   No Mike, there is NO scripture that EVER says ANY Canaanite EVER worshiped Jehovah as his God.

Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,14:37)

I do know from archaeology that they had no difference with Abraham when he called El the most high as both doctrines agreed on that point.

And?  The Queen of Sheba acknowledged the greatness of Jehovah to Solomon, but that doesn't mean she worshiped Him as her own God, right?

Also, don't forget that the El of the Canaanites had a wife named Asherah.  Surely their El was NOT Jehovah, for He has no such wife, right?

Kerwin, I've spent enough time on this, trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, and trying to allow you enough time to scripturally support your claim that the Canaanites worshiped Jehovah as their God.  

Time's up.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,19:39)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2013,09:32) Ed, your AKJV calls Jehovah the “most high God” in many places.  Are they wrong in that translation also?  Should it really be “most high LEADER”? Hi Mike, The term “God of gods” is OK too, but just not how you are defining it.

So you are telling me that the AKJV is correct in translating as “God of gods”, but I am incorrect in understanding that to mean that Jehovah is the god of other gods?  

Hmmmmm…………..  

Nah, I think that I'll just go on understanding “king of kings” as referring to a king of other kings, and I'll likewise keep understanding “god of gods” as referring to a god of other gods.  It is the common sense approach, after all.

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,19:39)

Now please answer my question: Does Psalm 83:18 mean that men are “HIGH” on the earth?         (<– please answer) “That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH,    art the most high over all the earth.”  (Psalms 83:18)

That verse doesn't make a statement about men being either high or low on the earth, Ed, only that Jehovah is higher THAN them.  It states that Jehovah is a higher ruler over the earth than any other being at all.

Ed, are you EVER going to answer my question in the first quote box above? This is the third or fourth time I've asked.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,19:50)

When JEHOVAH says there are no EL-o-heem besides Him – he means there is No “GOD” besides him.

But Jehovah didn't say “GODS”, Ed. He said “elohim”, right? And you've just acknowledged that angels ARE indeed REAL elohim, right?

So how could Jehovah say there were NO elohim besides Himself, when His holy and faithful spirit servants ARE real elohim?

Remember, He didn't say “GODS”, but “ELOHIM”.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,00:39)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2013,07:56) Quote (Ed J @ July 03 2013,08:32) There are no other gods Pierre! “there is no God else beside me;” (Isaiah 45:21) Exodus 12:12 “On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD.” Does Jehovah contradict Himself, Ed? Or is somebody misunderstanding His EMPHATIC statement in Isaiah 45:21? Hi Mike, NO, it is you who is misunderstanding. They are all 'IDOLS' – not gods! 'IDOLS' are 'false EL-o-heem'! “For all the gods(EL-o-heem) of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.” (Psalms 96:5)

1. And how did man-made idols of wood, metal, and stone turn a wooden staff into a living snake?

2. How did they turn water into blood?

3. How did these idols produce frogs out of thin air?

4. And finally, how in the world can Jehovah BRING JUDGMENT on an inanimate, man-made idol?

Ed, please answer these 4 questions from 5 pages ago.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 11 2013,05:18)

Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,14:37) Mike, Evidence points to him being king in the land of Canaan. I've seen no evidence that he is a Canaanite king.  Plus, there is explicit evidence that his lineage is unknown – an odd feat if he were a famous descendant of Canaan, don't you think? Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,14:37) I am not familiar with any Scripture that directly declares that any Canaanite, except Melchizedek, worshiped El. So once we remove the “except Melchizedek” from your post (since there is no evidence he was a Canaanite), we have arrived at the truthful answer to the question I've asked you for almost a month now:   No Mike, there is NO scripture that EVER says ANY Canaanite EVER worshiped Jehovah as his God. Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,14:37) I do know from archaeology that they had no difference with Abraham when he called El the most high as both doctrines agreed on that point. And?  The Queen of Sheba acknowledged the greatness of Jehovah to Solomon, but that doesn't mean she worshiped Him as her own God, right? Also, don't forget that the El of the Canaanites had a wife named Asherah.  Surely their El was NOT Jehovah, for He has no such wife, right? Kerwin, I've spent enough time on this, trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, and trying to allow you enough time to scripturally support your claim that the Canaanites worshiped Jehovah as their God.   Time's up.

Mike,

I have already pointed out that the same type of evidence that reveals the presence of the heresy that El had a wife named Asherah also reveals the presence of the heresy that Jehovah has a wife named Asherah. You clearly chose that and other things to reach your objective and I have no desire to go over ground already covered.

The Queen of Sheba believed in Jehovah but she may still of believe in other Gods and worshiped one or more. She is like Melchizedek in the way she appears in Scripture.

We know that the Canaanites worshiped the most high El just a did Abraham and that is who the king of Sodom heard Abraham speak of though he,himself was most likely of a different sect than Abraham.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ July 11 2013,03:49)

Quote (kerwin @ July 11 2013,02:13) Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2013,07:29) Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,05:51) Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2013,05:47) SCRIPTURES PLEASE T, Do a search of Melchizedek on the KJV at biblegateway.com K you ask me to search for you claims not a chance , you claim thing event inventing them ,finding arguments on half words or half letters ,and now you send me away to try to support your claims , sorry friend ,I know those sites but I do not use them except for one ,and that's not the one I go to , so your claim is false about  Melchizedek ,right T, You asked for a Scripture and I told you how to search for it.  The Bereans are called noble for searching Scripture without being instructed how to. I am not concerned what site you use to search the KJV as long as you search the same edition I obtained the spelling of Melchizedek I used.  You can even search other editions and versions that use the same spelling or do anything else that obtains the same results. K why can you not quote the scriptures that you search for men's opinions , i am very familiar with the scriptures that talk about  Melchizedek this is why I have to ask how you can claim and not show scriptures , if you want we can go in details about the man ,

T,

Why should I do your work?

To help you understand the name God is a translation of the name El just as the name Jesus is a translation of the name Joshua. So the most high God is the most high El.

The most high god of the Canaanites and Abraham has among other names the name God.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ July 11 2013,11:52)

Quote (terraricca @ July 11 2013,03:49) Quote (kerwin @ July 11 2013,02:13) Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2013,07:29) Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,05:51) Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2013,05:47) SCRIPTURES PLEASE T, Do a search of Melchizedek on the KJV at biblegateway.com K you ask me to search for you claims not a chance , you claim thing event inventing them ,finding arguments on half words or half letters ,and now you send me away to try to support your claims , sorry friend ,I know those sites but I do not use them except for one ,and that's not the one I go to , so your claim is false about  Melchizedek ,right T, You asked for a Scripture and I told you how to search for it.  The Bereans are called noble for searching Scripture without being instructed how to. I am not concerned what site you use to search the KJV as long as you search the same edition I obtained the spelling of Melchizedek I used.  You can even search other editions and versions that use the same spelling or do anything else that obtains the same results. K why can you not quote the scriptures that you search for men's opinions , i am very familiar with the scriptures that talk about  Melchizedek this is why I have to ask how you can claim and not show scriptures , if you want we can go in details about the man , T, Why should I do your work?   To help you understand the name God is a translation of the name El just as the name Jesus is a translation of the name Joshua. So the most high God is the most high El. The most high god of the Canaanites and Abraham has among other names the name God.

K

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To help you understand the name God is a translation of the name El just as the name Jesus is a translation of the name Joshua. So the most high God is the most high El. The most high god of the Canaanites and Abraham has among other names the name God.

I start to wander if you are paying attention to what Mike and I tell you for the past 3 years ;

god = is a title so is EL its translation SO THE NAME GOD CAN APPLY TO ALL GODS GOOD OR BAD ,THIS IS WHY THE TRUE GOD ALWAYS SPECIFIES HIS WORKS ALONG HIS NAME .

AND IT IS NOT LIKE JESUS AND JOSHUA THIS IS LIKE PIERRE AND PETER ,

[kerwin]

T,

God is define by his works yet the God a Trinitarian worships and the God a Jehovah Witness are said to be the same God though one believes in a three in one God and the other in a one in one God.

The Canaanites and Abraham in a like manner worshiped the same God though the Canaanite doctrine was often in error.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ July 12 2013,01:34)

T, God is define by his works yet the God a Trinitarian worships and the God a Jehovah Witness are said to be the same God though one believes in a three in one God and the other in a one in one God. The Canaanites and Abraham in a like manner worshiped the same God though the Canaanite doctrine was often in error.

K

do you ever wander why Jesus said IT IS NOT EVERYONE THAT CALL ME LORD ,LORD THAT WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM ,MANY HAVE DONE GREAT WORKS ACCORDING TO THEM ,BUT SEE THEY GOT PAID FOR THEIR WORK ,

ALSO IF YOU DO NOT WORSHIP GOD THE WAY HE SAID THEN YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN ,GET IT ,THIS IS LOUD AND CLEAR ,

[kerwin]

T,

There are many that say Lord, Lord who will not enter the narrow gate. It is the goal of a student not to be one of them.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ July 12 2013,03:40)

T, There are many that say Lord, Lord who will not enter the narrow gate.  It is the goal of a student not to be one of them.

K

in live you born an baby then as you grow you become a young boy and later young man an as we age we become a man ,tell me what is it that make the transition from boy to man beside the age factor

to me it is the same thing as going from being a student to teacher .

2TI 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,

understand the above scripture then look at the following one

HEB 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food.

SO NO MATTER WHAT YOU CANNOT STAY A BOY NOR A STUDENT AT ONE POINT YOU HAVE TO BECOME A MAN AND A TEACHER

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 11 2013,10:36)

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,19:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2013,09:32) Ed, your AKJV calls Jehovah the “most high God” in many places.  Are they wrong in that translation also?  Should it really be “most high LEADER”? Hi Mike, The term “God of gods” is OK too, but just not how you are defining it. So you are telling me that the AKJV is correct in translating as “God of gods”, but I am incorrect in understanding that to mean that Jehovah is the god of other gods?   Hmmmmm…………..   Nah, I think that I'll just go on understanding “king of kings” as referring to a king of other kings, and I'll likewise keep understanding “god of gods” as referring to a god of other gods.  It is the common sense approach, after all. Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,19:39) Now please answer my question: Does Psalm 83:18 mean that men are “HIGH” on the earth?         (<– please answer) “That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH,    art the most high over all the earth.”  (Psalms 83:18) That verse doesn't make a statement about men being either high or low on the earth, Ed, only that Jehovah is higher THAN them.  It states that Jehovah is a higher ruler over the earth than any other being at all. Ed, are you EVER going to answer my question in the first quote box above?  This is the third or fourth time I've asked.

Hi Mike,

I gave you Psalm 83:18 and asked if that meant that men were “high”
because that is precisely what you are doing with the phrase “God of gods”.
The term “God of gods” does not establish that there are other gods any more
than JEHOVAH being most high over men on the earth PROVING that men are “high”.

       Do you consider men – gods?       (<– please answer)

Yes, you should consider JEHOVAH the most high Leader. That is
what EL-o-heem of EL-o-heem means as does most high EL-o-heem.

      1. GOD                          
      2. Angels                      
      3. Leaders
      4. Magistrates

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 11 2013,17:29)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2013,09:32) Ed, your AKJV calls Jehovah the “most high God” in many places.  Are they wrong in that translation also?  Should it really be “most high LEADER”? Hi Mike, I gave you Psalm 83:18 and asked if that meant that men were “high” because that is precisely what you are doing with the phrase “God of gods”. The term “God of gods” does not establish that there are other gods any more than JEHOVAH being most high over men on the earth PROVING that men are “high”.

That statement doesn't make sense, Ed.  Calling someone a king of kings DOES establish that there are OTHER kings the first king is the king of.

It is likewise true with “god of gods” and “lord of lords”.

Quote (Ed J @ July 11 2013,17:29)

Do you consider men – gods?       (<– please answer)

In the OT, men were occasionally referred to as “elohim”.  By the time we reached the NT, the only “theos” mentioned are supernatural beings.

So if I'm reading the OT, and a man is called a god, then YES, that man was a god – according to the way THEY used the word el back then.

(I've made my question big this time, so you can easily see it an perhaps ANSWER IT. I'm asking if the AKJV is once again WRONG in their translation of “most high God”. Is it WRONG again, Ed?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ July 11 2013,13:16)

I start to wander if you are paying attention to what Mike and I tell you for the past 3 years……….

It's like he can't hear us sometimes.

Pierre, do YOU know of any scripture that says any Canaanite ever worshipped Jehovah as their God? I don't know of any, and Kerwin surely hasn't been able to produce one after all this time. How about you?

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 12 2013,06:08)

Quote (terraricca @ July 11 2013,13:16) I start to wander if you are paying attention to what Mike and I tell you for the past 3 years………. It's like he can't hear us sometimes.   Pierre, do YOU know of any scripture that says any Canaanite ever worshipped Jehovah as their God?  I don't know of any, and Kerwin surely hasn't been able to produce one after all this time.  How about you?

Mike,

You have no evidence for your opinion and much against it.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 11 2013,10:40)

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,19:50) When JEHOVAH says there are no EL-o-heem besides Him – he means there is No “GOD” besides him. But Jehovah didn't say “GODS”, Ed.  He said “elohim”, right?  And you've just acknowledged that angels ARE indeed REAL elohim, right? So how could Jehovah say there were NO elohim besides Himself, when His holy and faithful spirit servants ARE real elohim? Remember, He didn't say “GODS”, but “ELOHIM”.

Hi Mike,

He said “EL-o-heem” not 'gods',vand
yes Angels are called “EL-o-heem” too.
I said there are no 'gods' besides “GOD”.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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