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[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,07:29)

MY misconception?  Earlier, you told me you were sorry because you edited a post AFTER I responded to it.  You said it was YOUR mistake.  Imagine my surprise to find a different post on the next page explaining how I was the one who made the mistake by quoting the wrong part of your post.   Then, you said yesterday that these demons were “false gods”, right?  And now, even though “false gods” is NOT on your list of four elohim definitions, you are saying it is MY misconception.   I'm worried for your sanity, Ed. Now, are you sticking with “the demons were false gods”?  Or are you changing it to “the demons were angels”?  Which one am I supposed to respond to?

amazing this guy

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,12:29)

MY misconception?  Earlier, you told me you were sorry because you edited a post AFTER I responded to it.  You said it was YOUR mistake.  Imagine my surprise to find a different post on the next page explaining how I was the one who made the mistake by quoting the wrong part of your post.   Then, you said yesterday that these demons were “false gods”, right?  And now, even though “false gods” is NOT on your list of four elohim definitions, you are saying it is MY misconception.   I'm worried for your sanity, Ed. Now, are you sticking with “the demons were false gods”?  Or are you changing it to “the demons were angels”?  Which one am I supposed to respond to?

Hi Mike,

The mistake I made was: IN NOT DELETING the part of your post that didn't apply to my answer.
What my mistake caused: you then deleted the part of your post that my answer did pertain to.
And then you tried to apply my responce to the part of your post that I WASN'T RESPONDING TO.

Now (it seems) you are attempting to re-label my mistake of NOT DELETING PART OF YOUR QUOTE,
to instead claim that I made a mistake in my wording. My mistake was not in the wording,
but in failing TO DELETE that part of your post that you were currently focusing on.

Now you are claiming that I said something THAT I CLEARLY DIDN'T SAY.
Demons are fallen Angels, I NEVER SAID that they were 'false gods'.
Give yourself a tile now – just kidding; but I did NOT say that!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,12:54)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,07:29) MY misconception?  Earlier, you told me you were sorry because you edited a post AFTER I responded to it.  You said it was YOUR mistake.  Imagine my surprise to find a different post on the next page explaining how I was the one who made the mistake by quoting the wrong part of your post.   Then, you said yesterday that these demons were “false gods”, right?  And now, even though “false gods” is NOT on your list of four elohim definitions, you are saying it is MY misconception.   I'm worried for your sanity, Ed. Now, are you sticking with “the demons were false gods”?  Or are you changing it to “the demons were angels”?  Which one am I supposed to respond to? amazing this guy

Funny how you agree with misconceptions Pierre.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,08:13)

Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,12:54) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,07:29) MY misconception?  Earlier, you told me you were sorry because you edited a post AFTER I responded to it.  You said it was YOUR mistake.  Imagine my surprise to find a different post on the next page explaining how I was the one who made the mistake by quoting the wrong part of your post.   Then, you said yesterday that these demons were “false gods”, right?  And now, even though “false gods” is NOT on your list of four elohim definitions, you are saying it is MY misconception.   I'm worried for your sanity, Ed. Now, are you sticking with “the demons were false gods”?  Or are you changing it to “the demons were angels”?  Which one am I supposed to respond to? amazing this guy   Funny how you agree with misconceptions Pierre.

edj

I am reading most of your quotes and some time I have to shake my head in disbelieve

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,12:35)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2013,12:08) Let's see if we can find more ways the AKJV is NOT as God intended it to be, okay? Deuteronomy 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. Which one of your four definitions of elohim will you apply to this verse, Ed?  Both the Hebrew text and your AKJV equate “devils” with “gods”. What will be your song and dance this time? Hi Mike, Yes Mike, I would agree, false gods and/or Devils. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Pierre,

This is the post Mike is referring to.

1. False gods
    and/or
2. Devils

That  DOES NOT  equate to me saying…  
      'devils are false gods'        
(that is an example of a misconception)    

       Here is where the misconception is first presented:

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,11:19)

Also, I read your answer that the demons were “false gods”.

       And here Mike's misconception turns into A FACT THAT NEVER HAPPENED!

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,07:29)

Now, are you sticking with “the demons were false gods”?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

Do you got it all now?

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,13:13)

Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,12:54) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,07:29) MY misconception? I'm worried for your sanity, Ed. Now, are you sticking with “the demons were false gods”?  Or are you changing it to “the demons were angels”?  Which one am I supposed to respond to? amazing this guy   Funny how you agree with misconceptions Pierre.

Can you now see how you were agreeing to Mike's misconception?

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,09:42)

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,12:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2013,12:08) Let's see if we can find more ways the AKJV is NOT as God intended it to be, okay? Deuteronomy 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. Which one of your four definitions of elohim will you apply to this verse, Ed?  Both the Hebrew text and your AKJV equate “devils” with “gods”. What will be your song and dance this time? Hi Mike, Yes Mike, I would agree, false gods and/or Devils. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Pierre, This is the post Mike is referring to. 1. False gods     and/or 2. Devils That  DOES NOT  equate to me saying…         'devils are false gods'         (that is an example of a misconception)            Here is where the misconception is first presented: Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,11:19) Also, I read your answer that the demons were “false gods”.          And here Mike's misconception turns into A FACT THAT NEVER HAPPENED! Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,07:29) Now, are you sticking with “the demons were false gods”? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

Did you answer clearly??? I don't think so ,you are very evasive ,and that is the prize to pay for being evasive ,

This is why you are going and coming at the same time so to speak,

You should stop religion and go in politics Just joking

Christ says let your yes be yes and your no be no ,this leaves no in between strait and direct ,yes or no try it some time,

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,14:57)

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,09:42) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,12:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2013,12:08) Let's see if we can find more ways the AKJV is NOT as God intended it to be, okay? Deuteronomy 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. Which one of your four definitions of elohim will you apply to this verse, Ed?  Both the Hebrew text and your AKJV equate “devils” with “gods”. What will be your song and dance this time? Hi Mike, Yes Mike, I would agree, false gods and/or Devils. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Pierre, This is the post Mike is referring to. 1. False gods     and/or 2. Devils That  DOES NOT  equate to me saying…         'devils are false gods'         (that is an example of a misconception)            Here is where the misconception is first presented: Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,11:19) Also, I read your answer that the demons were “false gods”.          And here Mike's misconception turns into A FACT THAT NEVER HAPPENED! Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,07:29) Now, are you sticking with “the demons were false gods”? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Edj Did you answer clearly??? I don't think so ,you are very evasive ,and that is the prize to pay for being evasive , This is why you are going and coming at the same time so to speak, You should stop religion and go in politics   Just joking   Christ says let your yes be yes and your no be no ,this leaves no in between strait and direct ,yes or no try it some time,

Hi Pierre,

I cannot be held responsible for you or others
not understanding what I mean. I do try very hard
though, to keep you and others from misunderstanding.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,12:29)

Or are you changing it to “the demons were angels”?

See Pierre,

This part is a flat out lie.
Demons “ARE” fallen Angels.
I have NOT switched anything,
except maybe your understanding.  

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,10:47)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,12:29) Or are you changing it to “the demons were angels”?   See Pierre, This part is a flat out lie. Demons “ARE” fallen Angels. I have NOT switched anything, except maybe your understanding.

But that is a question Mike asking you ,how could that be a lie

I always thought that demons where the souls of the offspring of the fallen angels ,being born half spirit and half human, and so lost their flesh at the flood but remained as a spirit wandere,fallen angels are the angels that corrupted themselves to go with human women,and have an offspring with them ,

But got back to heaven but not in God's heaven kind of locked out from there,

This is vague yet to me but I read a book about 30 some years ago

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,16:30)

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,10:47) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,12:29) Or are you changing it to “the demons were angels”?   See Pierre, This part is a flat out lie. Demons “ARE” fallen Angels. I have NOT switched anything, except maybe your understanding.   But that is a question Mike asking you ,how could that be a lie

Saying that I'm changing it to “the demons were angels” is a lie.  

I have been saying this all along.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,09:42)

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,12:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2013,12:08) Let's see if we can find more ways the AKJV is NOT as God intended it to be, okay? Deuteronomy 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. Which one of your four definitions of elohim will you apply to this verse, Ed?  Both the Hebrew text and your AKJV equate “devils” with “gods”. What will be your song and dance this time? Hi Mike, Yes Mike, I would agree, false gods and/or Devils. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Pierre, This is the post Mike is referring to. 1. False gods     and/or 2. Devils That  DOES NOT  equate to me saying…         'devils are false gods'         (that is an example of a misconception)            Here is where the misconception is first presented: Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,11:19) Also, I read your answer that the demons were “false gods”.          And here Mike's misconception turns into A FACT THAT NEVER HAPPENED! Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,07:29) Now, are you sticking with “the demons were false gods”? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

i do not see “demons ” in the quote question of Mike ,when did that word showed up (Mike's quote of July 01)

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,06:10)

T, You do not believe in an omnipresent God but you do believe in an omnipresent kingdom of God.[/quote] K do you realy understand what you are saying

T,

Yes.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,06:05)

Quote (kerwin @ July 01 2013,10:42) Mike, It seems you believe Jehovah and the angels are the same kind but that only Jehovah is to be worshiped. I understand they have the characteristic of being mighty. I didn't say Jehovah and His angels are the “same kind”, Kerwin.  But if you are talking only about their spirit nature, then yes, they are. Instead, what I am saying is that the Hebrew word “el” merely means “mighty one”.  It says nothing about the “kind”, or “nature”, or “eternalness”, or “creating”, or anything else.  It merely identifies one as mighty.

Mike,

El is the general Canaanite name for Jehovah. It root means mighty which is reasonable as the Canaanite and Hebrew tongues often use a word that in part describes what it means. An example of this is spirit that called by the word for wind even though the the spirit is not the wind.

The experts go by how a word is used and not the initial meaning of the word because even in English words change meanings over time.

Angels are a kind of being that is a little superior to us humans. Jehovah is infinitely superior to both us and angels. Angels, even Satan, have miraculous powers but their source is Jehovah. Satan is powerless except Jehovah gives him power to proof the hearts of men and angels.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ July 02 2013,22:52)

Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,06:10) T, You do not believe in an omnipresent God but you do believe in an omnipresent kingdom of God. K do you realy understand what you are saying [/quote] T, Yes.

Kerwin

tell me then HOW COULD THE OMNIPRESENCE OF GOD NOT BE THERE WHILE HIS KINGDOM CAN BE

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ July 03 2013,01:08)

Quote (kerwin @ July 02 2013,22:52) Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,06:10) T, You do not believe in an omnipresent God but you do believe in an omnipresent kingdom of God. K do you realy understand what you are saying T, Yes.[/quote] Kerwin tell me then HOW COULD THE OMNIPRESENCE OF GOD NOT BE THERE WHILE HIS KINGDOM CAN BE

T,

If God is omnipresent then he is there while if his kingdom is omnipresent then it is there though God, himself, may not be.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,21:42)

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,12:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2013,12:08) Let's see if we can find more ways the AKJV is NOT as God intended it to be, okay? Deuteronomy 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. Which one of your four definitions of elohim will you apply to this verse, Ed?  Both the Hebrew text and your AKJV equate “devils” with “gods”. What will be your song and dance this time? Hi Mike, Yes Mike, I would agree, false gods and/or Devils. Hi Pierre, This is the post Mike is referring to. 1. False gods     and/or 2. Devils That  DOES NOT  equate to me saying…         'devils are false gods'         (that is an example of a misconception)            Here is where the misconception is first presented: Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,11:19) Also, I read your answer that the demons were “false gods”.          And here Mike's misconception turns into A FACT THAT NEVER HAPPENED! Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,07:29) Now, are you sticking with “the demons were false gods”?

Ed,

What does “false gods and/or Devils” mean then?  Look at the big words in my quote above.  Consider the point I was making, and consider the fact that you AGREED with that point.

In my mind, you were saying, “Yes Mike, I agree that devils are gods……….. but they're false gods.”

If that is NOT what you meant, then I surely don't know what you meant.

And if that is NOT what you meant, then I am still WAITING for your “real” response to my statement in the quote box above.  Here, let me dumb it down for you………….

Ed, Moses and your precious AKJV EQUATE demons (devils) with gods.

How do you insist that Jehovah is LITERALLY the ONLY god if Moses and your precious AKJV clearly say that demons (devils) are gods?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,22:42)

Hi Pierre, I cannot be held responsible for you or others not understanding what I mean. I do try very hard though, to keep you and others from misunderstanding.

Whatever. Why not put your money where your mouth is, then?

Explain to us three things in very easy to understand language:

1. What DID you mean by “I agree, false gods and/or Devils”?

2. Do you agree with Moses and your AKJV that demons (devils) ARE gods?

3. Or will you alter the translation to “angels” – making it say that they worshiped ANGELS their fathers had not known?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ July 02 2013,11:21)

Mike, El is the general Canaanite name for Jehovah.

It is the general term for ANY god (mighty one). The Canaanites didn't even worship Jehovah, Kerwin. They had their own gods (elohim).

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