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Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2013,19:03) Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly lords with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. And since Jesus is LITERALLY your ONLY lord, you would not be able to follow Paul's command either, right? Hi Mike, 1Cor.8:5   For although there may be SO-CALLED gods in heaven or on earth—as     INDEED     there are many “gods” and many “lords”— 6yet for us there is ONE God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and ONE Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. Your in denial   AGAIN. Peace brother…..

Actually Abe, it is YOU who is in denial.

1.  Are you aware that the Greek of 1 Cor 8:5 does NOT say “so-called gods”?  YES or NO?

(It says “even if there are THOSE CALLED GODS – whether IN HEAVEN or on earth”.  Who are some of these gods that Paul says are “IN HEAVEN”?)

2.  Are you aware that the quotation marks around “gods” and “lords” are NOT in the original Greek text?  YES or NO?

(Paul actually said, “indeed there ARE many gods and many lords”.)

Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

Abe, is the one your Lord Jesus called “the Lord of heaven and earth” also YOUR Lord?  YES or NO?

[abe]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 29 2013,17:41)

Moses didn't call Jehovah “Lord God” in that passage.  Why?  Do you think the God who created the universe is NOT the Lord of heaven and earth?

Hi Mike,

You didn't answer my Question?

Peace brother.

[mikeboll64]

The Lord God was in heaven creating man in His image. Now please DIRECTLY answer my questions from the last post.

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Quote (abe @ May 28 2013,23:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2013,19:03) Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly lords with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. And since Jesus is LITERALLY your ONLY lord, you would not be able to follow Paul's command either, right? Hi Mike, 1Cor.8:5   For although there may be SO-CALLED gods in heaven or on earth—as     INDEED     there are many “gods” and many “lords”— 6yet for us there is ONE God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and ONE Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. Your in denial   AGAIN. Peace brother….. Actually Abe, it is YOU who is in denial. 1.  Are you aware that the Greek of 1 Cor 8:5 does NOT say “so-called gods”?  YES or NO? (It says “even if there are THOSE CALLED GODS – whether IN HEAVEN or on earth”.  Who are some of these gods that Paul says are “IN HEAVEN”?) 2.  Are you aware that the quotation marks around “gods” and “lords” are NOT in the original Greek text?  YES or NO? (Paul actually said, “indeed there ARE many gods and many lords”.) Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Abe, is the one your Lord Jesus called “the Lord of heaven and earth” also YOUR Lord?  YES or NO?

Mike it doesn't matter if it says “so called gods” or “those called gods” because Paul goes on to say that EVEN IF THERE ARE….for US there is… One God, just as Jesus said.

[2besee]

Those CALLED Gods. Called gods by whom? By those who do NOT believe in the one and only true God ONLY.
Mike, do people not call other “so called” gods “gods”?

Here is a short list:

Apollo,
Ares,
Athena,
Hera,
Hermes,
Poseidon,
Zeus, etc..

And here's a list of so called Bible gods:
http://jesusalive.cc/ques220.htm

That's not to mention the gods of today. Yet for us there is only one God AND one lord, Jesus Christ.
(PS: It does not say one God and another God, Jesus Christ does it !?)

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2013,14:48) Quote (abe @ May 28 2013,23:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2013,19:03) Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly lords with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. And since Jesus is LITERALLY your ONLY lord, you would not be able to follow Paul's command either, right? Hi Mike, 1Cor.8:5   For although there may be SO-CALLED gods in heaven or on earth—as     INDEED     there are many “gods” and many “lords”— 6yet for us there is ONE God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and ONE Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. Your in denial   AGAIN. Peace brother….. Actually Abe, it is YOU who is in denial. 1.  Are you aware that the Greek of 1 Cor 8:5 does NOT say “so-called gods”?  YES or NO? (It says “even if there are THOSE CALLED GODS – whether IN HEAVEN or on earth”.  Who are some of these gods that Paul says are “IN HEAVEN”?) 2.  Are you aware that the quotation marks around “gods” and “lords” are NOT in the original Greek text?  YES or NO? (Paul actually said, “indeed there ARE many gods and many lords”.) Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Abe, is the one your Lord Jesus called “the Lord of heaven and earth” also YOUR Lord?  YES or NO? Mike it doesn't matter if it says “so called gods” or “those called gods” because Paul goes on to say that EVEN IF THERE ARE….for US there is… One God, just as Jesus said.

2bees

what Paul says is that yes their are many gods ,but to us (true believers)that knows the true God the father of Christ that gives live ;because their is no other like it ;so only one God.

[abe]

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The Lord God was in heaven creating man in His image.  Now please DIRECTLY answer my questions from the last post.

Hi Mike,

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The Lord God was in heaven creating man in His image.

Do you have a Scripture for this?

Peace brother…

[abe]

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2013,14:48) Quote (abe @ May 28 2013,23:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2013,19:03) Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly lords with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. And since Jesus is LITERALLY your ONLY lord, you would not be able to follow Paul's command either, right? Hi Mike, 1Cor.8:5   For although there may be SO-CALLED gods in heaven or on earth—as     INDEED     there are many “gods” and many “lords”— 6yet for us there is ONE God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and ONE Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. Your in denial   AGAIN. Peace brother….. Actually Abe, it is YOU who is in denial. 1.  Are you aware that the Greek of 1 Cor 8:5 does NOT say “so-called gods”?  YES or NO? (It says “even if there are THOSE CALLED GODS – whether IN HEAVEN or on earth”.  Who are some of these gods that Paul says are “IN HEAVEN”?) 2.  Are you aware that the quotation marks around “gods” and “lords” are NOT in the original Greek text?  YES or NO? (Paul actually said, “indeed there ARE many gods and many lords”.) Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Abe, is the one your Lord Jesus called “the Lord of heaven and earth” also YOUR Lord?  YES or NO? Mike it doesn't matter if it says “so called gods” or “those called gods” because Paul goes on to say that EVEN IF THERE ARE….for US there is… One God, just as Jesus said.

Hi 2B,

I tried to tell him. To some their own pride gets in the way of TRUTH.

Peace brother..

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Quote (abe @ May 27 2013,10:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2013,09:04) Yes Abe, The better translation is “through”, not “by”. My questions are as follows: 1. Is Jesus LITERALLY the ONLY lord in existence?  Is he LITERALLY our ONLY lord?  Or is his Father Jehovah also our Lord? 2.  Doesn't it stand to reason that the all things that came FROM the Father are the same exact all things that came THROUGH Jesus Christ? (Meaning that if the universe is one of the all things that came FROM the Father, then the universe is one of the all things that came THROUGH Jesus Christ, right?) Hi Mike, The Beginning (John 1:1-5) 1In the     beginning    God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day Where is Lord God?    Lord? Peace brother… Hi Mike, Please answer my Question. Peace brother.

Hi Mike,

You still didn’t answer my question?

Peace brother.

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Hi 2B, I tried to tell him. To some their own pride gets in the way of TRUTH. Peace brother..

Hi Abe,
Sometimes, frustratingly, we realize that we are nit being heard, but sometimes, you just never know. Only, it may not be the one who you are actually talking to who is listening!

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2bees what Paul says is that yes their are many gods ,but to us (true believers)that knows the true God the father of Christ that gives live ;because their is no other like it ;so only one God.

Hi T,
Are those gods 'real'?

[terraricca]

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Quote 2bees what Paul says is that yes their are many gods ,but to us (true believers)that knows the true God the father of Christ that gives live ;because their is no other like it ;so only one God. Hi T, Are those gods 'real'?

2bees

yes they are BUT THEY ARE NOT SO POWERFUL AND ALMIGHTY THAN JEHOVAH GOD THE CREATOR,THIS IS WHY WE ALL MEN HAVE TO CHOSE WHICH GOD WE WANT TO SERVE ;MANY FALSE GODS MEANING THAT CAN NOT SAVE FROM THE WRATH OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD AND GIVE ETERNAL LIFE AS A REWARD TO THOSE WHO HAVE CHOSEN TO SERVE HIM INSTEAD OF THOSE OTHER GODS THAT CAN NOT SAVE US .

SO CALLED GODS JUST MEANS THAT THEY ARE IN NAME BUT NOT EQUAL IN POWER TO THE ONLY TRUE GOD JEHOVAH.

BUT THEY ARE POWERFUL ENOUGH TO DECEIVE YOU AND WORSHIP THEM INSTEAD OF JEHOVAH AND THIS WOULD COST US OUR LIFES.

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Quote (942767 @ May 27 2013,13:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2013,04:06) Marty, The above questions to Abe are also to you now, since you are now also using 1 Cor 8 as support for your understanding. Hi Mike: The answer is that God created all things “by him and for him” and without him was nothing made than was made”.  God is the creator, and Jesus is not, and he did not pre-exist his birth into this world as some form of being. We have already had this discussion. And so now we know that John 1c should be translated “and the Word was God” and not “and the Word was a god”. Love in Christ, Marty Perhaps you misunderstood the questions, Marty.  Here they are again: 1.  Is Jesus LITERALLY the ONLY lord you have?  YES or NO? 2.  Is it logical that, in 1 Cor 8:6, the all things that came FROM God are the same exact all things that came THROUGH Jesus Christ?  If not, then WHY not? Please DIRECTLY address the questions this time.

Hi Mike:

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Psa 110:1 ¶ [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

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1Cr 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

And so, yes, Jesus is my only Lord.

And the second question is answered by the following scripture:

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Jhn 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Jhn 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

And relative to your accusation that I stated that angels were gods, yes, what matters is what the scriptures state, but it also matters that you stated that I said something that I did not say.

And I don't know what you are trying to prove by this discussion. The question that Jesus is not “a god” has already been answered.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (2besee @ May 29 2013,20:14)

Mike it doesn't matter if it says “so called gods” or “those called gods” because Paul goes on to say that EVEN IF THERE ARE….for US there is… One God, just as Jesus said.

Actually 2B,

Paul went on to say, “as indeed there ARE many gods and many lords”.

Now, do you agree with Paul that there truly ARE many lords? YES or NO?

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Those CALLED Gods. Called gods by whom? By those who do NOT believe in the one and only true God ONLY. Mike, do people not call other “so called” gods “gods”? Here is a short list: Apollo, Ares, Athena, Hera, Hermes, Poseidon, Zeus, etc..

Which one of the gods you listed dwell in heaven, 2B?  I ask because Paul said there are indeed many gods and many lords, both in heaven and on earth.

Who are some of these gods that are in heaven, 2B?

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 29 2013,18:02) The Lord God was in heaven creating man in His image.  Now please DIRECTLY answer my questions from the last post. Hi Mike, (Quote) The Lord God was in heaven creating man in His image. Do you have a Scripture for this? Peace brother…

Yep. And I'll show it to you right after you answer the questions you've been avoiding.

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And so, yes, Jesus is my only Lord.

So then, if you lived in the days when Paul wrote this:  Slaves, obey your earthly lords with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ, you would have just ignored him?  (Please answer.)

And how about in the future, Marty?  If you get to heaven, and are taught the song, will you sing it to your Lord God Jehovah?  Or will you refuse to sing along because Jehovah isn't your Lord?  (Please answer.)

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Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 2.  Is it logical that, in 1 Cor 8:6, the all things that came FROM God are the same exact all things that came THROUGH Jesus Christ?  If not, then WHY not? And the second question is answered by the following scripture: He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.   Jhn 12:49   For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.   Jhn 12:50   And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

I'm not really seeing an answer to my question in those scriptures, Marty.  Please explain how these scriptures say that the universe DID come FROM God, but DIDN'T come THROUGH Jesus Christ.

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And I don't know what you are trying to prove by this discussion.  The question that Jesus is not “a god” has already been answered.

You are correct.  Since the word “god” means “mighty one”, and Jesus is the second most powerful being on earth, we know he is a god.

Not to mention he is called such in Isaiah 9:6, John 1:1, John 1:18, and Hebrews 1:8.

Yep.  It HAS BEEN answered – just like you said.  

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Quote (2besee @ May 31 2013,02:27)

Quote Hi 2B, I tried to tell him. To some their own pride gets in the way of TRUTH. Peace brother.. Hi Abe, Sometimes, frustratingly, we realize that we are nit being heard, but sometimes, you just never know. Only, it may not be the one who you are actually talking to who is listening!

If you guys are so smart and righteous in your beliefs, then why can neither of you answer my questions?  

1.  Paul says “indeed there are many lords”.  Is this a TRUE statement?  YES or NO?

2.  Paul says that “for us, there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ”.  Is this a LITERAL statement?  YES or NO?

[942767]

Hi Mike:

Yes, I would obey my masters after the flesh as long as they were not asking me to do something contrary to the Word of God. I do service unto them as if I am doing the service unto the Lord.

I worship God my Father now under the authority of my Lord. He did not say to worship him as God. And so, when I get to heaven, I will sing the song, but the scripture also states that at some point the kingdom will be delivered unto the Father.

And the scriptures that I quoted do not say that the universe came through Jesus Christ, because it didn't. Jesus is not the creator. The scriptures state:

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Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

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Hbr 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Love in Christ,
Marty

[2besee]

Hi T.

The “gods” in heaven and earth would be man made (imagined up 'so called' gods), whilst “lords” would be men who people call lord. So for us, though there are many whom man has called God/gods, there is only one TRUE God, and though there are many on earth with the title lord, there is only one lord, to us, the lord Jesus Christ.

One God in heaven and one lord from earth.

Now, let me ask you…. The word “true” as in “only one true God” means what (to you)?

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