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Hi Ed
“At the mouth of three witnesses,
shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)1. cast out of thy grave
2. like an abominable branch
3. thrust through with a sword1. Not cast out but walked out.
2. Not a branch but a vine.
3. Not a sword but a lanceno proofs shown there
Quote (Marlin1 @ Mar. 23 2012,16:04) Hi Ed J, You imagination amazes me.
This scripture should settle it, but not for you.
JOHN 17:12
» 12 † While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.This speaks of a man, Judas. Just as Revelation speaks of a man.
Is Ed right and Jesus wrong.God Bless
Marlin
Hi Marlin,That is merely an assumption on your part.
Do you see the name Judas anywhere in there?Have you not considered that me both and Jesus are right,
but instead it is your understanding that is wrong? (2Thess 2:2-3)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Nick,
“That which had not been told them shall they see; and that
which they had not heard shall they consider.” (Isaiah 52:15)All the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in [Jesus] bodily. (Col.2:9)
Similarly, we are also a part of the body of Christ. (1Cor. 12:27)So we may then conclude that all of us, plus the fullness of the Godhead,
are all part of the whole body of Christ. Did not GOD also create {Lucifer}
and how is Lucifer connected to the body of Christ? Only in death was Lucifer
connected to the body of Christ. The key is found in Isaiah 14:19: thou art cast
out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain,
thrust through with a sword. Jesus is the only person (so far) whose body was cast out
of the grave. His body was also thrust through with a spear. Jesus is furthermore called
the branch in Zechariah 3:8. But the significant difference here is these things happened
to Jesus’ body after He was (a corpse)dead; “the body of sin”.עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 23 2012,05:37) Hi Everybody, I started this thread because of Wakeup's 'hit and run' tactics, which are unacceptable! I want to
discuss [Isaiah 14:19-20] until everybody knows everything there is to possibly know about it.Isa.14:19-20 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch,
and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword,
that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20: Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed
thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.These three points of focus “DO” establish the matter:
1. cast out of thy grave
2. like an abominable branch
3. thrust through with a sword“At the mouth of three witnesses,
shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgFather, may you bless this thread and bring enlightenment to all who read it, in YÄ-shü-ă's precious name I pray, Amen!
EDJ.You said LUCIFER IS THE –SON–OF PERDITION.
QUESTION: WHO IS LUCIFERS FATHER??
wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 23 2012,05:38) Hi Wakeup, (our discussion began here in the seventh and eighth posts) Our conversation together started with 'wishy washy' responses
to the question of: is or is not 'Lucifer' the 'son of perdition'.I believe Isa.14:19-20 proves conclusively that 'Lucifer' is
indeed the 'son of perdition', and seek to prove it to
you and everyone here as well! (1Thess.5:21)Let's try to keep this discussion on track, OK? …I
may have to remind you if it starts getting off track.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.You said that LUCIFER IS THE SON OF PERDITION.
My question: who is his father?
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 23 2012,16:51) Hi Ed Not a branch
Hi Nick,Zechariah 6:12-13 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the “LORD of Hosts”, saying,
Behold the man whose name is THE BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place,
and he shall build the temple of The LORD: Even he shall build the temple of The LORD;
and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be
a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.Isaiah 45:13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways:
he shall build my [HolyCity](Rev.21:2-3), and he shall let go my captives,
not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of Hosts.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 23 2012,16:51) Hi Ed “At the mouth of three witnesses,
shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)1. cast out of thy grave
2. like an abominable branch
3. thrust through with a sword1. Not cast out but walked out.
2. Not a branch but a vine.
3. Not a sword but a lanceno proofs shown there
Hi Nick,But the significant difference here is these things happened
to Jesus’ body after He was (a corpse)dead; “the body of sin”.(Zech 3:8-9) “behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.
For behold the stone (Rev.2:17) that I have laid before Joshua;
upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the
graving thereof, saith the LORD of Hosts, and
will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.”Psalms 118:23-24 This is The LORD's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.
This is the day which The LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Mar. 23 2012,17:26) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 23 2012,05:37) Hi Everybody, I started this thread because of Wakeup's 'hit and run' tactics, which are unacceptable! I want to
discuss [Isaiah 14:19-20] until everybody knows everything there is to possibly know about it.Isa.14:19-20 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch,
and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword,
that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20: Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed
thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.These three points of focus “DO” establish the matter:
1. cast out of thy grave
2. like an abominable branch
3. thrust through with a sword“At the mouth of three witnesses,
shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgFather, may you bless this thread and bring enlightenment to all who read it, in YÄ-shü-ă's precious name I pray, Amen!
EDJ.You said LUCIFER IS THE –SON–OF PERDITION.
QUESTION: WHO IS LUCIFERS FATHER??
wakeup.
יהוה YÄ-hä-vāQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 23 2012,17:13) Hi Nick, “That which had not been told them shall they see; and that
which they had not heard shall they consider.” (Isaiah 52:15)All the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in [Jesus] bodily. (Col.2:9)
Similarly, we are also a part of the body of Christ. (1Cor. 12:27)So we may then conclude that all of us, plus the fullness of the Godhead,
are all part of the whole body of Christ. Did not GOD also create {Lucifer}
and how is Lucifer connected to the body of Christ? Only in death was Lucifer
connected to the body of Christ. The key is found in Isaiah 14:19: thou art cast
out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain,
thrust through with a sword. Jesus is the only person (so far) whose body was cast out
of the grave. His body was also thrust through with a spear. Jesus is furthermore called
the branch in Zechariah 3:8. But the significant difference here is these things happened
to Jesus’ body after He was (a corpse)dead; “the body of sin”.עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
Hi Ed,
No proofs.
Of course he is the Branch but in relationship to the tree of God.Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 23 2012,17:30) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 23 2012,05:38) Hi Wakeup, (our discussion began here in the seventh and eighth posts) Our conversation together started with 'wishy washy' responses
to the question of: is or is not 'Lucifer' the 'son of perdition'.I believe Isa.14:19-20 proves conclusively that 'Lucifer' is
indeed the 'son of perdition', and seek to prove it to
you and everyone here as well! (1Thess.5:21)Let's try to keep this discussion on track, OK? …I
may have to remind you if it starts getting off track.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.You said that LUCIFER IS THE SON OF PERDITION.
My question: who is his father?
wakeup.
יהוה YÄ-hä-vāQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 23 2012,17:44) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 23 2012,17:13) Hi Nick, “That which had not been told them shall they see; and that
which they had not heard shall they consider.” (Isaiah 52:15)All the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in [Jesus] bodily. (Col.2:9)
Similarly, we are also a part of the body of Christ. (1Cor. 12:27)So we may then conclude that all of us, plus the fullness of the Godhead,
are all part of the whole body of Christ. Did not GOD also create {Lucifer}
and how is Lucifer connected to the body of Christ? Only in death was Lucifer
connected to the body of Christ. The key is found in Isaiah 14:19: thou art cast
out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain,
thrust through with a sword. Jesus is the only person (so far) whose body was cast out
of the grave. His body was also thrust through with a spear. Jesus is furthermore called
the branch in Zechariah 3:8. But the significant difference here is these things happened
to Jesus’ body after He was (a corpse)dead; “the body of sin”.עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
Hi Ed,
No proofs.
Of course he is the Branch but in relationship to the tree of God.
Hi Nick,To an atheist, there is no proof God exists.
All I can do is produce the evidence. It is up
to you whether or not you want to believe it.יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD)
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 23 2012,17:47) Hi ED,
What you call CONCLUSIVE most consider highly questionable I think.
Hi Nick,“That which had not been told them shall they see; and that
which they had not heard shall they consider.” (Isaiah 52:15)
Once the seed of truth is firmly planted, it takes time to grow.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed,
The evidence is thin.
A vague resemblance to your expectations is enough for you to preach it as truth?Hi ED,
The body of Jesus Christ rested in the tomb while his soul ministered to those in prison.
His body later was taken up into the clouds.No ownership by evil.
The Spirit gave life to his mortal body.
Even the body of Moses was not successfully claimed by the devil.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 23 2012,19:01) Hi ED,
The body of Jesus Christ rested in the tomb while his soul ministered to those in prison.
His body later was taken up into the clouds.No ownership by evil.
The Spirit gave life to his mortal body.
Even the body of Moses was not successfully claimed by the devil.
Hi Nick, (Nahum 1:14)“I(YHVH) will make thy grave(Lucifer); for thou art vile.”
YHVH separated Lucifer from the Godhead at Jesus' death,
YHVH resurrected Jesus so that we may be purged of Lucifer.
I hope you're beginning to understand what it is I'm telling you?2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature:
old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.Lucifer(74) = Finished(74)
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said,
It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgHi ED,
There is no godhead. That is a misunderstood KJV word with several scriptural derivationsLucifer occurs once in scripture so no conclusions can be taken as to who it was.
God's spirit gave life to the mortal body of Jesus Christ.
Jesus died as we do. No value is placed on the dust body of earth.
Like us he was renewed in Spirit, renewed in heart and mind and given a new body.
All things have become new
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 23 2012,19:41) Hi ED,
There is no godhead.Hi Nick,
Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit (speaketh against the Holy Spirit), it
shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Mt.12:32)“And Godhead”=63 IS the Majesty of “YHVH”=63 (The GOD of “The Bible”=63)!
Rom:1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen,
being understood by the things that are made, even his (117=יהוה האלהים)
Eternal power “and Godhead”=63; so that they are without excuse:Col:2:9 For in him (Christ=77) dwelleth all the fulness of “the Godhead”=77 bodily.
Acts:17:29: Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the
Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. (HolySpirit's Children)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
(Trinity and non-Trinity, can both views be correct?)
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