Isaiah 14:19-20

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  • #299873
    Ed J
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    Hi Nick,

    Most people understand The Bible with the understanding of a man. (Isaiah 55:7-11)
    “The Bible” is best understood in much the same way “Optics” are understood.
    What I mean is: “The Bible” must be understood as “a whole”, Gen. to Rev.

    But how is this done? Let us use “Optics” as a comparative example; OK?
    The closer you look at something, the less that can be seen in the field of view.
    And likewise, the focus of detail is lost with the greater field of view. I hope you are
    getting all this? This is quite a conundrum, as you can only read one Bible verse at a time.

    Consider what it would take to make a map without the advent of aerial photography?
    First you must understand each and every section of terrain. And then fit all sections
    of terrain by scale into their respective positions. Scale is imperative to the whole.
    But in order to fit all the sections by scale into the whole, “The Big Picture” has
    to be clearly understood in the mapmakers mind; then all the pieces will fit!

    When beginners start to read The Scriptures they don’t understand what
    “God” wants them to, because of what the ‘systems of religion’ taught them.
    If they have been baptized with The “HolySpirit” and are open to His teachings,
    then they will be like a skilled mapmaker understanding the terrain of God’s Word!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #299874
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2012,13:03)
    Hi Ed,
    There is no apparent connection between those verses.
    If you see any please show it and any witnessing verses


    Hi Nick,

    The connection is being spelled out in this thread.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #299875
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2012,13:03)
    Hi Ed,
    There is no apparent connection between those verses.
    If you see any please show it and any witnessing verses


    “witnessing verses”?     …what does this even mean?     …please define your term.

    #299880
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,
    But opinion should not bind scriptures together into dogmas should it?

    #299886
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2012,13:14)
    Hi Ed,
    But opinion should not bind scriptures together into dogmas should it?


    Hi Nick,

    You mean like what it takes for people believe Jesus is(?) the word?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #299887
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 29 2012,13:07)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2012,13:03)
    Hi Ed,
    There is no apparent connection between those verses.
    If you see any please show it and any witnessing verses


    “witnessing verses”?     …what does this even mean?     …please define your term.


    What does “witnessing verses” mean?

    #299888
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    You seem to be saying we need them and at the same time we don't?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #299889
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi ED,
    2Cor 13.1-2

    You have often quoted a witnessing verse for this in the OT,
    Jesus quoted that one too

    #299894
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    Then you agree with me that one verse can support another, right?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #299895
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,
    Yes if they say THE SAME THING
    Similarities are not witnesses

    #299899
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2012,14:13)
    Hi ED,
    (1)Yes if they say THE SAME THING
    (2)Similarities are not witnesses


    Hi Nick,

    1) So only Psalm 14 can support Psalm 53 and vise versa?
    2) Why not?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #299903
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,
    No.
    A verse in the OT, Matthew and 2peter are fine if they say the SAME THING-they would show the unity of the whole of revelation

    #299905
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ed,
    Deut 17.6
    Deut 19.15
    Mt 18.16
    2 Cor 13.1
    1 Tim 5.19

    #299908
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2012,15:20)
    Hi Ed,
    No.
    A verse in the OT, Matthew and 2peter are fine if they say the SAME THING-they would show the unity of the whole of revelation


    Hi Nick,

    Are you not suggesting that differences in the wording discount the witness of related Scripture?  ???

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #299913
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,
    Details differ but the meanings are the same.
    Paul used the verse above in a slightly different way while maintaining the principle.

    The books of matthew, Mark, Luke and John witness to each other as all walked with him and reflections also appear in the apostolic letters.

    #299924
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2012,15:47)
    Hi Ed,
    Details differ but the meanings are the same.
    Paul used the verse above in a slightly different way while maintaining the principle.
     
    The books of matthew, Mark, Luke and John witness to each other as all walked with him and reflections also appear in the apostolic letters.


    Yes Nick,

    We must lay aside differing details of the different accounts
    to understand “The Big Picture” of what YHVH is telling us.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #299937
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,
    Differences add to the texture but not to what is proven.

    #299939
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2012,16:59)
    Hi ED,
    Differences add to the texture but not to what is proven.


    Hi Nick,

    The differences are in the writers view, not
    in the content of truth contained in their writing.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #299949
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,
    Scripture is written by God through men.[2peter]
    God shows the consistency and the complexity and beauty of the Word.

    #300014
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,
    you offer
    “Isa.14:19-20 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch,
    and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword,
    that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
    20: Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed
    thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

    These three points of focus “DO” establish the matter:

    1. cast out of thy grave
    2. like an abominable branch
    3. thrust through with a sword

    “At the mouth of three witnesses,
    shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)”

    So these are not true witnesses as they only have vague similarities

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