Is the word of god the holy spirit?

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Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,15:38)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2010,21:48) Hi ED, Yes God and His Son indwells the sons of God as Spirit. That same Spirit helps them worship God in Heaven in their spirit temple. [Rom8.26, Eph 2.22-23]] Hi Nick,                    Do you 'think' “Heaven” is a far away place, somewhere other then right here? (Isaiah 57:15) Isaiah 57:15 For thus saith (YHVH) the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy;                    I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit,                    to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.                    God's Throne Jer.17:12 A glorious high throne from the beginning is the place of our sanctuary. Jer.49:38 And I will set my throne in Elam(Eternity), and will destroy from thence the king and the princes, saith the LORD. (AKJV Psalm 102:11) God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ

God's Throne

Jer.17:12 A glorious high throne from the beginning is the place of our sanctuary.
Jer.49:38 And I will set my throne in Elam(Eternity), and will destroy from
thence the king and the princes, saith the LORD. (AKJV Psalm 102:11)

AGAIN YOU USING PARTIAL AND BROKEN VERSES ,AND IN THIS WAY LOSE THE MEANING OF WHATS IT SAYS.

OR NEED TO BE UNDERSTOOD.

you want to talk about Gods throne these are not the right scriptures.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,15:38)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2010,21:48) Hi ED, Yes God and His Son indwells the sons of God as Spirit. That same Spirit helps them worship God in Heaven in their spirit temple. [Rom8.26, Eph 2.22-23]] Hi Nick,                    Do you 'think' “Heaven” is a far away place, somewhere other then right here? (Isaiah 57:15) Isaiah 57:15 For thus saith (YHVH) the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy;                    I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit,                    to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.                    God's Throne Jer.17:12 A glorious high throne from the beginning is the place of our sanctuary. Jer.49:38 And I will set my throne in Elam(Eternity), and will destroy from thence the king and the princes, saith the LORD. (AKJV Psalm 102:11) God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi ED.
Yes it is another unreachable realm.

It is certainly not on visible earth or of the universe.

God dwells in heaven and His Spirit is everywhere that He chooses it to be.

Man would make heaven here but he is a veritable afterthought in creation.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2010,21:53)

Hi LU, Are you coequal with your finger? The concept is a nonsense when you speak of an aspect of one being.

No, Nick, I don't think anyone is co-equal to their arm or their finger. It is you that says the spirit is as God.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
In what way are you confused about God's relationship with His own Spirit?
You told us His Spirit proceeds from him and is never separate from Him so why would you now seem to want to make God divided?

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick……God (IS) SPIRIT. He can not be separated from what HE (IS). Common Sense 101.

peace and love………….gene

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 30 2010,03:07)

Hi LU, In what way are you confused about God's relationship with His own Spirit? You told us His Spirit proceeds from him and is never separate from Him so why would you now seem to want to make God divided?

Nick,
Is your spirit a part of you or is it all of you? If it is a part of you, does that make you divided? God is not divided, He is never separated from His Spirit, yet it extends from Him to believers. Amazing! We can not go anywhere from His Spirit.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
Body soul and spirit.
We agree.

The Spirit of God is far greater in nature and ability than any aspect of us.
In our vessel it s a treasure that unites us to God.

[Lightenup]

True Nick,
It is a treasure that unites us to God but it is not the God it unites us to.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
When you lie to the Spirit do you lie to God?
God is fully manifested in His Spirit.
So now also is Jesus Christ.

We can commune with them in that Spirit and when our spirit leaves be ever one with them

[Ed J]

MMM, opposing (thoughts) as proof with little to no Scriptural backing?

        Here is Scriptural backing…

Psalm 33:6
Zech.4:6
Zech.12:1

Matt.13:19
Mark 4:14
Mark13:11
Mark 13:19
Luke 3:2
Luke 8:11
John 12:49
John 14:24
John 17:6-8
John 17:14
Acts 4:31
Acts 10:36-38
Acts 10:44
Acts 11:15-16
Acts 13:4-5
Acts 13:47-49
Acts 17:11
Acts 20:32
Romans 9:5-6
Romans 10:17
1Cor. 12:8-9
1Cor. 14:36
2Cor. 5:19
2Cor. 6:6-7
Gal.6:6
Eph. 1:12-13
Eph. 5:26
Eph. 6:17
Phillip.2:16
1Tm.5:17-18
2Tm.2:11-15
2Tm.4:2
Hebrews 1:1-2
Hebrews 2:2-3
Hebrews 4:2-6
Hebrews 4:8-12
Hebrews 5:13-14
Hebrews 7:28
Hebrews 11:3
Hebrews 12:19
James 1:18
1Peter 1:21-23
1Peter 2:6-8
1John 2:7-10
Rev.1:2
Rev.1:9
Rev.19:11-16
Rev.20:4

Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 30 2010,16:26)

Hi LU, When you lie to the Spirit do you lie to God? God is fully manifested in His Spirit. So now also is Jesus Christ. We can commune with them in that Spirit and when our spirit leaves be ever one with them

Nick,
Yes if you lied to the Spirit, you lied to God.
You say God is fully manifested in His Spirit, are you saying that you fully know all of God?

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
Read 1Cor2 and discover what the Spirit can show you about God.

[Lightenup]

Here ya go Nick,
1 Cor 2:

And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God. Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”– these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ. (1 Corinthians 2, ESV)

The Spirit is a treasure to us, you are right about that, and He can reveal the depths of God to us, but He is not the depths of God that He reveals to us.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
We will know the depths of God when our own spirit leaves and we live by that Spirit just as our captain does.

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 01 2010,09:31)

Hi LU, We will know the depths of God when our own spirit leaves and we live by that Spirit just as our captain does.

Hi Nick,

Are you referring to now?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 30 2010,17:31)

Hi LU, We will know the depths of God when our own spirit leaves and we live by that Spirit just as our captain does.

Nick,
We will live because the Son gives us life.

John 10:27-28
27 “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
NASU

John 6:54-58
54 “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
55 “For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.
56 “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.
57 “As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.
58 “This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever.”
NASU

The Son lives because of the Father, we live because of the Son.

The Son lives because of the Most High God, we live because of the Mighty God, the Son of God.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
Indeed God gives life to those who are sheep.
Sheep follow him and do not wander.
The wolf snaps up speculators.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 01 2010,09:14)

Here ya go Nick, 1 Cor 2: And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God. Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”– these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ. (1 Corinthians 2, ESV) The Spirit is a treasure to us, you are right about that, and He can reveal the depths of God to us, but He is not the depths of God that He reveals to us.

Lu………..This might help you, look up the word (HE) and you will find it can Just as easily be translated (IT). If you understood Spirit as a IT, instead of a HE it would better fit , because a HE implies a singular Person, Where It can be used to mean Spirit as a common or shared understanding.like the spirit of the world is not a He but an it, To personify Spirit as a Person instead of a understanding or intellect is not scripturally supported. There is no God the SPIRIT that is separate from GOD the Father, they are one and the same. God lives vicariously in and through his creation. Example GOD was in Christ reconciling the World unto himself. This shows that GOD is able to live vicariously through his creation also. There is no trinity of GODS, but One GOD (IN ALL AND THROUGH ALL)> imo

peace and love to you and yours…………………gene

[NickHassan]

G,
SPIRIT never means a shared understanding in scripture does it?
Your own ideas again?

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 02 2010,13:13)

Quote (Lightenup @ May 01 2010,09:14) Here ya go Nick, 1 Cor 2: And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God. Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”– these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ. (1 Corinthians 2, ESV) The Spirit is a treasure to us, you are right about that, and He can reveal the depths of God to us, but He is not the depths of God that He reveals to us. Lu………..This might help you, look up the word (HE) and you will find it can Just as easily be translated (IT). If you understood Spirit as a IT, instead of a HE it would better fit , because a HE implies a singular Person, Where It can  be used to mean Spirit as a common or shared understanding.like the spirit of the world is not a He but an it, To personify Spirit as a Person instead of a understanding or intellect is not scripturally supported.  There is no God the SPIRIT that is separate from GOD the Father, they are one and the same. God lives vicariously in and through his creation. Example GOD was in Christ reconciling the World unto himself.  This shows that GOD is able to live vicariously through his creation also. There is no trinity of GODS, but One GOD (IN ALL AND THROUGH ALL)> imo peace and love to you and yours…………………gene

Hi Gene,
Thanks for your view. Personally I see the spirit as an innerperson of God like our spirit is our innerman, our innerperson. I see no problem with referring to my spirit as a 'she' Have you ever been to a funeral where the body is in the casket and people remind each other that “he (or she) is not here but he (or she) is with the Lord?” I would not expect to hear it is not here, it is with the Lord. I do realize that the Greek word for spirit is a neuter gender word but the gender of the word in Greek is nothing to form a doctrine around. For instance the word 'love' is a word in the feminine gender. We say that God is love but does that tell us that God is female?

So, I am comfortable referring to the Holy Spirit of the Father as 'He' because of who 'it' dwells within…a Father which is portrayed as a male persona.

Also, I understand the spirit of a person to be more than intellect.

2 Cor 4:16 Therefore we do not lose heart, but though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed day by day.

Note that the scriptures use a male gender for our 'inner man.'

God bless!

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