Is the bible so difficult to understand

[Arnold]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 28 2010,07:34)

Hi Georg, No I learn every day. But your opinion plus a scripture approach is a reminder to all of us to dig deeper. Priests do not serve kings do they?

Is not Jesus Christ, king?

Georg

[terraricca]

georg

there is only one king and priest in the order of Melkizedek,and that is Christ,

this is an exeption, unique, not the rule

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (Arnold @ May 29 2010,12:52)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 28 2010,07:34) Hi Georg, No I learn every day. But your opinion plus a scripture approach is a reminder to all of us to dig deeper. Priests do not serve kings do they? Is not Jesus Christ, king? Georg

Hi Georg,

(Rev.1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead,
and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins
in his own blood,) A prince cannot become king until his father dies; which in YHVH’s case can't happen!

Ps:29:10: The LORD sitteth upon the flood; yea, the LORD(Jesus’ Father) sitteth King for ever.
Psalm 10:16 The LORD is King for ever and ever: the heathen are perished out of his land.

God bless
Ed J

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
Jesus is given the kingdom.[Dan7]
Then he hands it back[1Cor15]

[Is 1:18]

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(Rev.1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,) A prince cannot become king until his father dies; which in YHVH’s case can't happen!

“Prince” is a poor translation for arche in this verse (and you should know it), unsurprisingly most credible versions render it “ruler”. Yeshua is not only King, but the King of Kings!

Revelation 19:16
And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

[Arnold]

Quote (terraricca @ May 29 2010,13:46)

georg there is only one  king and priest in the order of Melkizedek,and that is Christ, this is an exeption, unique, not the rule Pierre

You're forgetting that the old rule has been done away with.

Hbr 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Georg

[Arnold]

Quote (Ed J @ May 29 2010,14:01)

Quote (Arnold @ May 29 2010,12:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 28 2010,07:34) Hi Georg, No I learn every day. But your opinion plus a scripture approach is a reminder to all of us to dig deeper. Priests do not serve kings do they? Is not Jesus Christ, king? Georg Hi Georg, (Rev.1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,) A prince cannot become king until his father dies; which in YHVH’s case can't happen! Ps:29:10: The LORD sitteth upon the flood; yea, the LORD(Jesus’ Father) sitteth King for ever. Psalm 10:16 The LORD is King for ever and ever: the heathen are perished out of his land. God bless Ed J

So, then your post was pointless.

Georg

[terraricca]

Quote (Arnold @ May 30 2010,02:55)

Quote (terraricca @ May 29 2010,13:46) georg there is only one  king and priest in the order of Melkizedek,and that is Christ, this is an exeption, unique, not the rule Pierre You're forgetting that the old rule has been done away with. Hbr 7:12   For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.   Georg

georg

Heb 4:14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess.
Heb 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.
Heb 5:1 Every high priest is selected from among men and is appointed to represent them in matters related to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins.
Heb 5:2 He is able to deal gently with those who are ignorant and are going astray, since he himself is subject to weakness.
Heb 5:3 This is why he has to offer sacrifices for his own sins, as well as for the sins of the people.
Heb 5:4 No one takes this honor upon himself; he must be called by God, just as Aaron was.
Heb 5:5 So Christ also did not take upon himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father.’”
Heb 5:6 And he says in another place,
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek

you seemed to checking out others for there knowledge?

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Sadly only agreement with him is accepted as truth.
He has made his thoughts sacred to him.

[terraricca]

nick

you think georg is to old for changes??

[NickHassan]

HI T,
No opinion

[terraricca]

nick

yea let the door open it is best

[Arnold]

Quote (terraricca @ May 30 2010,04:36)

Quote (Arnold @ May 30 2010,02:55) Quote (terraricca @ May 29 2010,13:46) georg there is only one  king and priest in the order of Melkizedek,and that is Christ, this is an exeption, unique, not the rule Pierre You're forgetting that the old rule has been done away with. Hbr 7:12   For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.   Georg georg Heb 4:14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. Heb 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin. Heb 4:16 Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need. Heb 5:1 Every high priest is selected from among men and is appointed to represent them in matters related to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. Heb 5:2 He is able to deal gently with those who are ignorant and are going astray, since he himself is subject to weakness. Heb 5:3 This is why he has to offer sacrifices for his own sins, as well as for the sins of the people. Heb 5:4 No one takes this honor upon himself; he must be called by God, just as Aaron was. Heb 5:5 So Christ also did not take upon himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.’” Heb 5:6 And he says in another place, “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek you seemed to checking out others for there knowledge?

Melchizedek was “priest” and “King”, you don't find that in the old Jewish law.
The only reason Paul brought up Melchisedec was, the Jewish converts had problems excepting the fact that Jesus was both, King and high priest. He was showing them, that situation had existed before.
In the Jewish law, only a Levi could be a priest, and only a descendant of Aaron could be a High priest.
Jesus descended from the tribe of Judah

Hbr 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Hbr 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

Hbr 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Georg

[Ed J]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 29 2010,18:57)

Quote (Rev.1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,) A prince cannot become king until his father dies; which in YHVH’s case can't happen! “Prince” is a poor translation for arche in this verse (and you should know it), unsurprisingly most credible versions render it “ruler”. Yeshua is not only King, but the King of Kings! Revelation 19:16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

Hi Isaiah 1:18,

Do you reject the rulership of Jesus' Father?

Psalm 110:1-2 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
                      The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

Ed J

[terraricca]

Quote (Arnold @ May 30 2010,17:01)

Quote (terraricca @ May 30 2010,04:36) Quote (Arnold @ May 30 2010,02:55) Quote (terraricca @ May 29 2010,13:46) georg there is only one  king and priest in the order of Melkizedek,and that is Christ, this is an exeption, unique, not the rule Pierre You're forgetting that the old rule has been done away with. Hbr 7:12   For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.   Georg georg Heb 4:14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. Heb 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin. Heb 4:16 Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need. Heb 5:1 Every high priest is selected from among men and is appointed to represent them in matters related to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. Heb 5:2 He is able to deal gently with those who are ignorant and are going astray, since he himself is subject to weakness. Heb 5:3 This is why he has to offer sacrifices for his own sins, as well as for the sins of the people. Heb 5:4 No one takes this honor upon himself; he must be called by God, just as Aaron was. Heb 5:5 So Christ also did not take upon himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.’” Heb 5:6 And he says in another place, “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek you seemed to checking out others for there knowledge? Melchizedek was “priest” and “King”, you don't find that in the old Jewish law. The only reason Paul brought up Melchisedec was, the Jewish converts had problems excepting the fact that Jesus was both, King and high priest. He was showing them, that situation had existed before. In the Jewish law, only a Levi could be a priest, and only a descendant of Aaron could be a High priest. Jesus descended from the tribe of Judah Hbr 7:12   For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.   Hbr 7:13   For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.   Hbr 7:14   For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.   Georg

georg

no Paul was not speaking to make deals so that is audience can accept his teachings,

Hbr 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Hbr 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

Hbr 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood

Paul explain that from the beginning God at a plan, to the out come that as happen ,His son be send and to die for all men,
and then show the relevance to it.

Pierre

[Arnold]

Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2010,14:23)

Quote (Arnold @ May 30 2010,17:01) Quote (terraricca @ May 30 2010,04:36) Quote (Arnold @ May 30 2010,02:55) Quote (terraricca @ May 29 2010,13:46) georg there is only one  king and priest in the order of Melkizedek,and that is Christ, this is an exeption, unique, not the rule Pierre You're forgetting that the old rule has been done away with. Hbr 7:12   For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.   Georg georg Heb 4:14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. Heb 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin. Heb 4:16 Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need. Heb 5:1 Every high priest is selected from among men and is appointed to represent them in matters related to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. Heb 5:2 He is able to deal gently with those who are ignorant and are going astray, since he himself is subject to weakness. Heb 5:3 This is why he has to offer sacrifices for his own sins, as well as for the sins of the people. Heb 5:4 No one takes this honor upon himself; he must be called by God, just as Aaron was. Heb 5:5 So Christ also did not take upon himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.’” Heb 5:6 And he says in another place, “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek you seemed to checking out others for there knowledge? Melchizedek was “priest” and “King”, you don't find that in the old Jewish law. The only reason Paul brought up Melchisedec was, the Jewish converts had problems excepting the fact that Jesus was both, King and high priest. He was showing them, that situation had existed before. In the Jewish law, only a Levi could be a priest, and only a descendant of Aaron could be a High priest. Jesus descended from the tribe of Judah Hbr 7:12   For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.   Hbr 7:13   For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.   Hbr 7:14   For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.   Georg georg no Paul was not speaking to make deals so that is audience can accept his teachings, Hbr 7:12   For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.   Hbr 7:13   For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.   Hbr 7:14   For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood Paul explain that from the beginning God at a plan, to the out come that as happen ,His son be send and to die for all men, and then show the relevance to it. Pierre

Where did I say that Paul was making DEALS?
Why do YOU think Paul saw it necessary to bring up Melchizedek? of whom he knew nothing more except that he had been a king AND a priest.

Georg

[NickHassan]

Hi,
The author of hebrews,? Barnabus, quoted scripture about a MAN of whom little is known, but then scripture mentions little about most men who have lived.

[terraricca]

georg

Paul understood scriptures and the shadow of the law, Melchizedek was the shadow of Christ in the accomplishment of the plan of God,
he is only a part of that plan,

the holy spirit is only active in you to have understanding if you are yourself incline to receive it.

Pierre

[terraricca]

All

Hbr 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

this scripture Paul explain that the change as to be made in the priesthood and also in the law,because only a descendant of Aaron can become priest,

and now we have God accepting Christ to be King and priest of God

Pierre

[Baker]

Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2010,11:20)

georg Paul understood scriptures and the shadow of the law, Melchizedek was the shadow of Christ in the accomplishment of the plan of God, he is only a part of that plan, the holy spirit is only active in you to have understanding if you are yourself incline to receive it. Pierre

To whom was Paul speaking, and why?
Why did Paul even bring up Melchizedek?

And what was your purpose for repeating my scriptures; since you did not add anything to them?

Georg

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