Is the bible so difficult to understand

[karmarie]

Hi T

Thats right we do not know what will happen exactly,

Herbert Armstrong branches (churches) teach that God isnt saving anyone now, but is only gathering out those who are to rule with Christ in the Millenium, they try to say that it is only during this coming Millenium when People will hear the truth and either accept or reject it.

But that is not scriptual, it is NOW that people are being shown the Gospel and either accepting or rejecting it. This false 'Armstrong' teaching tries to say theres a second chance in the millenium for everyone, but theres NOT, this goes against scripture.

The only chance is now. I wish Georg would see that false teaching.

[terraricca]

Quote (karmarie @ April 14 2010,14:19)

Hi T Thats right we do not know what will happen exactly, Herbert Armstrong branches (churches) teach that God isnt saving anyone now, but is only gathering out those who are to rule with Christ in the Millenium, they try to say that it is only during this coming Millenium when People will hear the truth and either accept or reject it. But that is not scriptual, it is NOW that people are being shown the Gospel and either accepting or rejecting it. This false 'Armstrong' teaching tries to say theres a second chance in the millenium for everyone, but theres NOT, this goes against scripture. The only chance is now. I wish Georg would see that false teaching.

KAR

i have known Armstrong 40 years ago, i have study with them but read their books for a while wen i start seeing the lies the wive and i stopped to go and threw the books away.

in those days they believed that the days of creation were seven days of 24 hours.wrong.

the truth is found in the scriptures and if you let it enter it in your heart you will understand, pray God to write his word onto the tables of your heart so that they can not be removed ,and so become one with him and Christ.

then you will speak and dream about God all day and night
and become a living seed.

[karmarie]

It is T God bless you.

[terraricca]

for all the things we have in this live is to learn who is God and the one he send and do his will,separate ourselves from the world.

[Elizabeth]

Quote (karmarie @ April 14 2010,12:51)

Hi Georg, I read all the Armstrong books and Magazines for years. (COG, UCG, Weinland etc) beware of believing that please. Now is the only time.

You did not answer my question;
What is the millennium for?

Georg

never mind, terraricca did it for you.

[Elizabeth]

Quote (terraricca @ April 14 2010,14:06)

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 13 2010,23:20) Quote (david @ April 06 2010,18:28) Quote the Bible, God's creater record book and futur visions ?for man?how come so much decied ?so much miss understanding,so much divission,so many interpretations. why,why,why.???? PLEASE ANSWER TRUHTFULLY Why did Jesus say he spoke to people in illustrations? Because it is not the time Jesus is saving the world. Jesus coming the first time was only phase one, to die for us, and make it possible for us to be resurrected. The witnessing of the gospel to all the world was for the selection of the elected, those that will be kings and priests. Phase two will be the millennium; during the 1000 year reign he will teach all mankind, those that are born, and those that are resurrected from their death. There will be no guessing what truth is, there will be no choosing what church to go to. Georg georg the 1000 years are for ;Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev 20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years i feel there are some things missing but if we will be there we will see it . also wen Christ came first he came for his brothers,then he send his apostles out to collect the good seeds then the word of the scriptures were given to collect the seeds. Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message.

What you read in Rev. 20:5,6 are all who come up in the first resurrection, the saints, they are spirit beings now. They paid for their faith with their lives, they have to fear the second death no more; but all who come up in the second resurrection they can still die as you read in Rev. 20:7-10.
Jesus said, I came to heal the sick; what is the sense in reigning over the righteous who are already saved?
What will happen to all the unsaved, did not Jesus die for them too?
With so many religion, and so many denominations; how can any one be sure he is saved now? Just believing you are does not make it so.
Just look at this forum, is any one agreeing with any one?
Also, what did Paul mean when he said

1Cr 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1Cr 15:23 But every man in his own order:…

Georg

[karmarie]

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 14 2010,23:54)

Quote (karmarie @ April 14 2010,12:51) Hi Georg, I read all the Armstrong books and Magazines for years. (COG, UCG, Weinland etc) beware of believing that please. Now is the only time. You did not answer my question; What is the millennium for? Georg

Hi, I have really different beliefs to most probably all here regarding the Millenium. I believe we are in the Millenium now. That it is the “thousands” of years which Satans powers have been limited,
the time when the Gospel is taken to all the World. As Jesus said,…. “And this good news of the kingdom will be given through all the world for a witness to all nations; and then the end will come”.

[karmarie]

Quote (terraricca @ April 14 2010,19:17)

for all the things we have in this live is to learn who is God and the one he send and do his will,separate ourselves from the world.

Thats right, and the only time to do it is now.

[Elizabeth]

Quote (karmarie @ April 14 2010,22:31)

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 14 2010,23:54) Quote (karmarie @ April 14 2010,12:51) Hi Georg, I read all the Armstrong books and Magazines for years. (COG, UCG, Weinland etc) beware of believing that please. Now is the only time. You did not answer my question; What is the millennium for? Georg Hi, I have really different beliefs to most probably all here regarding the Millenium. I believe we are in the Millenium now. That it is the “thousands” of years which Satans powers have been limited, the time when the Gospel is taken to all the World. As Jesus said,…. “And this good news of the kingdom will be given through all the world for a witness to all nations; and then the end will come”.

During the millennium Satans powers are not limitted, he is put away.

Rev 20:1 ¶ And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Georg

[karmarie]

Hi

The present Gospel Age, where Satan is Bound..Greek verb deö .. implies a restriction, not total neutralization.
This occured at Christs first coming with the cross. Just my understanding.

[terraricca]

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 14 2010,22:17)

Quote (terraricca @ April 14 2010,14:06) Quote (Elizabeth @ April 13 2010,23:20) Quote (david @ April 06 2010,18:28) Quote the Bible, God's creater record book and futur visions ?for man?how come so much decied ?so much miss understanding,so much divission,so many interpretations. why,why,why.???? PLEASE ANSWER TRUHTFULLY Why did Jesus say he spoke to people in illustrations? Because it is not the time Jesus is saving the world. Jesus coming the first time was only phase one, to die for us, and make it possible for us to be resurrected. The witnessing of the gospel to all the world was for the selection of the elected, those that will be kings and priests. Phase two will be the millennium; during the 1000 year reign he will teach all mankind, those that are born, and those that are resurrected from their death. There will be no guessing what truth is, there will be no choosing what church to go to. Georg georg the 1000 years are for ;Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev 20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years i feel there are some things missing but if we will be there we will see it . also wen Christ came first he came for his brothers,then he send his apostles out to collect the good seeds then the word of the scriptures were given to collect the seeds. Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message. What you read in Rev. 20:5,6 are all who come up in the first resurrection, the saints, they are spirit beings now. They paid for their faith with their lives, they have to fear the second death no more; but all who come up in the second resurrection they can still die as you read in Rev. 20:7-10. Jesus said, I came to heal the sick; what is the sense in reigning over the righteous who are already saved? What will happen to all the unsaved, did not Jesus die for them too? With so many religion, and so many denominations; how can any one be sure he is saved now? Just believing you are does not make it so. Just look at this forum, is any one agreeing with any one? Also, what did Paul mean when he said 1Cr 15:22   For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.   1Cr 15:23   But every man in his own order:… Georg

georg

1Co 15:23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
1Co 15:24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

Christ first and wen he comes back those who belong to him, then the end …………..
the ones who belong to him are all those who are saved ,all who as put there faith in him,if you accept Christ as your king you belong to him that simple,

all the others will be in the second resurrection of judgement,were Satan is released.

[Elizabeth]

terraricca

Alright, then let me ask you; what is the millennium for?

Georg

[karmarie]

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 16 2010,01:37)

terraricca Alright, then let me ask you; what is the millennium for? Georg

Hi I realise that was addressed to T but,

Exactly!...what is the Millenium for?
Does Jesus return, destroy the wicked, then for a thousand years the World lives in peace while Satan is bound, then suddenly…the 'Nations' turn evil and attack, and Fire comes down and destroys them all again,

Or does it seem more likely that the Millenium is the Gospel age which we are in now, (How many countries are Christian, How many countries have heard the Word and either accepted or rejected it? And what about the countries which have never really heard the Gospel but only things like the Quran? Well they are having dreams and visions of Jesus, (as told in Joel before the Day of the Lord/ the end also spoken of in Peter chapter 3.) God hasnt forgotten them and desires all to gain knowledge. So, when this Millenium (thousands of years of the Gospel) has ended, when the Nations rage a final War, then fire comes down from the sky and destroys them, and this is the End, then its Judgment Day….. makes more sense to me. (and its what the Orthodox believe)

And who are those ruling from the first resurrection for the 'thousands of years' whom the second death has no power over? And where are they? Well, Jesus said His Kingdom was not of this world. He said that in His Fathers House (In Heaven) there are many rooms! And He goes to prepare a place. Theres things that are seen and things that are unseen.

If anyone had to go with:
a) Theres a second chance to repent and be saved later (so never mind)…or;
b) NOW is the only chance you get

I think the safer option would be b, and if its wrong, never mind-  that would leave option- a.

But whatever, the most important thing is to NOW try to save people.

[terraricca]

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 15 2010,23:37)

terraricca Alright, then let me ask you; what is the millennium for? Georg

georg

the millenium is the beginning of Christ kingdom on earth,it begins with his people ,to set up the earth live according to his will just like Adam was set in paradise ,a good start,but he lost it ,now it will be the righteous people who will be there under Christ 144k guided arrangement,this is the first resurrection,all the set up will be done to receive the ones of the second resurrection,and then the final test for the second resurrection ones,after that the new earth and heaven and dead will be thrown away….

this is my understanding.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 15 2010,23:37)

terraricca Alright, then let me ask you; what is the millennium for? Georg

Hi Georg,
The freedom of all earthly things from decay and corruption and the restoration of godly order. The prince of the world and his demonic realm have robbed and stolen the full potential of this beautiful earth.

All enemies will be destroyed including death.

[terraricca]

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 14 2010,22:17)

Quote (terraricca @ April 14 2010,14:06) Quote (Elizabeth @ April 13 2010,23:20) Quote (david @ April 06 2010,18:28) Quote the Bible, God's creater record book and futur visions ?for man?how come so much decied ?so much miss understanding,so much divission,so many interpretations. why,why,why.???? PLEASE ANSWER TRUHTFULLY Why did Jesus say he spoke to people in illustrations? Because it is not the time Jesus is saving the world. Jesus coming the first time was only phase one, to die for us, and make it possible for us to be resurrected. The witnessing of the gospel to all the world was for the selection of the elected, those that will be kings and priests. Phase two will be the millennium; during the 1000 year reign he will teach all mankind, those that are born, and those that are resurrected from their death. There will be no guessing what truth is, there will be no choosing what church to go to. Georg georg the 1000 years are for ;Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev 20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years i feel there are some things missing but if we will be there we will see it . also wen Christ came first he came for his brothers,then he send his apostles out to collect the good seeds then the word of the scriptures were given to collect the seeds. Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message. What you read in Rev. 20:5,6 are all who come up in the first resurrection, the saints, they are spirit beings now. They paid for their faith with their lives, they have to fear the second death no more; but all who come up in the second resurrection they can still die as you read in Rev. 20:7-10. Jesus said, I came to heal the sick; what is the sense in reigning over the righteous who are already saved? What will happen to all the unsaved, did not Jesus die for them too? With so many religion, and so many denominations; how can any one be sure he is saved now? Just believing you are does not make it so. Just look at this forum, is any one agreeing with any one? Also, what did Paul mean when he said 1Cr 15:22   For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.   1Cr 15:23   But every man in his own order:… Georg

georg

did Jesus come only to heal the sick??

what meaning you give to this;;Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.

this is the judgement of God.but all of us have to be judge by it ,
now understand that any one who as not known Christ gospel will be judged in the second resurrection,the ones who know Christ promise and do nothing about it has already made his choice does it ?yes.either you accept or reject it ,now the question that remain is what it means you accepted what does that imply??

with so many religion and denominations who can someone be sure to be saved??

first they all have the scriptures and more than one translation,the first question would be are you for your religion with God? or are you looking for the truth of God and in your search join religion? the second option is the best,for God must be the quest,the truth they objective,in time you will leave them all and only stay with God and his word.
this way only his word will influence you,you now are free ,and live in the freedom of Christ.the truth in your heart and spirit will now tell you if you are saved.there could not be doubts in your faith or your heart or you will never know it .

as for 1Cr 15-22 it is in harmony with my views it is true.
23,yes first resurrection and second resurrection.

[Elizabeth]

To answer you, terraricca, Nick, and karmarie, would only be a repeat of what I have already said, so we just leave it at that.

Georg

[NickHassan]

Hi Georg,
King Jesus will reign with his brothers over the NATIONS.

[NickHassan]

Hi Georg,
When Jesus returns the earth will not be empty.
Some will survive the great time of tribulation.

[terraricca]

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 16 2010,14:06)

To answer you, terraricca, Nick, and karmarie, would only be a repeat of what I have already said, so we just leave it at that. Georg

georg

you know that the scripture say that God plan is to go from point A to point B, all of the main scriptures God explain how and why ,and for what reason,and whom will benefit ,and wen it take place.

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