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Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 29 2009,15:58) There are various belief systems here but the question is this, Can anyone be saved believing that the Father is The Only True God and can give salvation out of His grace to anyone HE pleases and I mean anyone?
My opinions, and they are only that (mostly):Everyone talks about being saved, and do they mean for a hypothetical next life, or in this life?
Many believe that belief alone would be sufficient to be saved, and yet I feel one must work for it somewhat, to the point of saving oneself.
Technically I don't see why God couldn't favour any person being saved (by any definition), albeit the less they cooperated the more difficult it would be I suspect.
To pick up on something Cato said about God being omnipotent (though the word apparently was used), I wonder why we fixate on the idea of God as a supreme being – all powerful and all knowing?
Quote (Douglas @ Oct. 01 2009,12:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 29 2009,15:58) There are various belief systems here but the question is this, Can anyone be saved believing that the Father is The Only True God and can give salvation out of His grace to anyone HE pleases and I mean anyone?
My opinions, and they are only that (mostly):Everyone talks about being saved, and do they mean for a hypothetical next life, or in this life?
Many believe that belief alone would be sufficient to be saved, and yet I feel one must work for it somewhat, to the point of saving oneself.
Technically I don't see why God couldn't favour any person being saved (by any definition), albeit the less they cooperated the more difficult it would be I suspect.
To pick up on something Cato said about God being omnipotent (though the word apparently was used), I wonder why we fixate on the idea of God as a supreme being – all powerful and all knowing?
God is not a respector of persons and salvation is for those who endure to the end.I believe we feel we must fixate on Absolutes as an evidence and proof of our decisions.
To say that God is omnipotent is not to say that God can do everything but that He is All Capable of doing what is powerful which in itself excludes weaknesses.
Also to be All knowing is having Full Knowledge of everything which would include knowing what will be by what is already, change what is and you will change what will be tomorrow.
God does favor people according to their devotion and right acts.
Many would like to think that only a Christian can receive God's favor but obviously there are People who have been blessed by God of all religions for no matter whether a person understands the details of God or not His ways are always higher than ours
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 01 2009,12:31) Hi BD,
Endurance without obedience will not pay off.
Man's righteousness is as filthy rags.
Endurance in the context I mentioned is obedienceHi BD,
So when did you obey the commands to be born again and believe in Jesus?
Or are you going to say you are a jew?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 01 2009,12:33) Hi BD,
So when did you obey the commands to be born again and believe in Jesus?
Or are you going to say you are a jew?
I believe in Jesus but you believe that Jesus is more than Christ and in this you are wrong. You believe that Jesus is a partner with God. You believe it is superior to love Jesus than it is to Love God first and above all.Jesus cannot be first to me as God Almighty is my first love and I am to love God with ALL my heart, soul and mind but somehow you want to alter the scriptures
Hi BD,
Where do you get these silly ideas?
Jesus is the monogenes Son of God.Belief in both is demanded by scripture but you prefer to make your own path?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 01 2009,12:41) Hi BD,
Where do you get these silly ideas?
Jesus is the monogenes Son of God.Belief in both is demanded by scripture but you prefer to make your own path?
So I should not love God with ALL my heart , soul and mind?I should worship Jesus alongside God?
Hi BD:
So, they that endure unto the end shall be saved. Endure? What do you mean by Endure unto the end?
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 01 2009,12:28) Quote (Douglas @ Oct. 01 2009,12:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 29 2009,15:58) There are various belief systems here but the question is this, Can anyone be saved believing that the Father is The Only True God and can give salvation out of His grace to anyone HE pleases and I mean anyone?
My opinions, and they are only that (mostly):Everyone talks about being saved, and do they mean for a hypothetical next life, or in this life?
Many believe that belief alone would be sufficient to be saved, and yet I feel one must work for it somewhat, to the point of saving oneself.
Technically I don't see why God couldn't favour any person being saved (by any definition), albeit the less they cooperated the more difficult it would be I suspect.
To pick up on something Cato said about God being omnipotent (though the word apparently was used), I wonder why we fixate on the idea of God as a supreme being – all powerful and all knowing?
God is not a respector of persons and salvation is for those who endure to the end.I believe we feel we must fixate on Absolutes as an evidence and proof of our decisions.
To say that God is omnipotent is not to say that God can do everything but that He is All Capable of doing what is powerful which in itself excludes weaknesses.
Also to be All knowing is having Full Knowledge of everything which would include knowing what will be by what is already, change what is and you will change what will be tomorrow.
God does favor people according to their devotion and right acts.
Many would like to think that only a Christian can receive God's favor but obviously there are People who have been blessed by God of all religions for no matter whether a person understands the details of God or not His ways are always higher than ours
My opinion is that religions of any variety are human structures. As with any social structure created by people they tend to organise themselves into a pyramid and to view other groups outwith the pyramid as threats.There was something I thought rather insightful in the post though – “change what is and you will change what will be”.
By what means do you suppose “what is” is changed?
How would that means relate to the bigger picture (including Jesus, but also others)?
Open questions, but note that the textbook answers are already known.
Quote (Douglas @ Oct. 02 2009,07:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 01 2009,12:28) Quote (Douglas @ Oct. 01 2009,12:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 29 2009,15:58) There are various belief systems here but the question is this, Can anyone be saved believing that the Father is The Only True God and can give salvation out of His grace to anyone HE pleases and I mean anyone?
My opinions, and they are only that (mostly):Everyone talks about being saved, and do they mean for a hypothetical next life, or in this life?
Many believe that belief alone would be sufficient to be saved, and yet I feel one must work for it somewhat, to the point of saving oneself.
Technically I don't see why God couldn't favour any person being saved (by any definition), albeit the less they cooperated the more difficult it would be I suspect.
To pick up on something Cato said about God being omnipotent (though the word apparently was used), I wonder why we fixate on the idea of God as a supreme being – all powerful and all knowing?
God is not a respector of persons and salvation is for those who endure to the end.I believe we feel we must fixate on Absolutes as an evidence and proof of our decisions.
To say that God is omnipotent is not to say that God can do everything but that He is All Capable of doing what is powerful which in itself excludes weaknesses.
Also to be All knowing is having Full Knowledge of everything which would include knowing what will be by what is already, change what is and you will change what will be tomorrow.
God does favor people according to their devotion and right acts.
Many would like to think that only a Christian can receive God's favor but obviously there are People who have been blessed by God of all religions for no matter whether a person understands the details of God or not His ways are always higher than ours
My opinion is that religions of any variety are human structures. As with any social structure created by people they tend to organise themselves into a pyramid and to view other groups outwith the pyramid as threats.There was something I thought rather insightful in the post though – “change what is and you will change what will be”.
By what means do you suppose “what is” is changed?
How would that means relate to the bigger picture (including Jesus, but also others)?
Open questions, but note that the textbook answers are already known.
The bible itself is against any hiearchy on earth. God is the God of ALL people equally no need for priests at all.“what is” is changed by “right knowledge”
When anyone focuses on right action and not the “right person to believe in” They can change what is.
Hi BD,
King Jesus will rule on earth and will call up his enemies to be slain in his presence.[lk 19.27]Your new age belief system is rather odd.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 02 2009,13:23) Hi BD,
King Jesus will rule on earth and will call up his enemies to be slain in his presence.[lk 19.27]Your new age belief system is rather odd.
So Jesus is violent?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 03 2009,06:13) hi BD,
He will be your judge and you should not try to reverse the plan.
Jesus says:John 8:(King James Version)
15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
So will you now Judge?
Hi BD,
King Jesus will meet with you.
he is the son of man appointed to judge men according to scripture.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 03 2009,10:02) Hi BD,
King Jesus will meet with you.
he is the son of man appointed to judge men according to scripture.
According to scripture:John 8:(King James Version)
15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
BD and Nick………….Jesus may have meant by that statement He did not Judge (the Man) but that is not to say He does not Judge what the man says and does. He said He hated the (deeds) of the Necholatians , but did he say he hated them?. NO, Jesus (condemns) no man that is the Job of the FATHER who made all men . Judgment of what a person is doing and saying is one thing (condemnation)of (the) person himself is quite another. If we are told to love our enemy's and forgive those who trespass against us. Why would not Jesus be the same as He taught others to be and what makes us think, when He returns he then is going to be a completely different person. IMO
gene
Quote (Gene @ Oct. 03 2009,16:39) BD and Nick………….Jesus may have meant by that statement He did not Judge (the Man) but that is not to say He does not Judge what the man says and does. He said He hated the (deeds) of the Necholatians , but did he say he hated them?. NO, Jesus (condemns) no man that is the Job of the FATHER who made all men . Judgment of what a person is doing and saying is one thing (condemnation)of (the) person himself is quite another. If we are told to love our enemy's and forgive those who trespass against us. Why would not Jesus be the same as He taught others to be and what makes us think, when He returns he then is going to be a completely different person. IMO gene
That's exactly what I said.
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